The Back up Center position
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
 
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> LA Lakers Lounge Reply to topic
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Lakerpark
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 09 Nov 2002
Posts: 2117

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:41 am    Post subject: The Back up Center position

HI All,

I don't know if this deserves its own thread, but I was hoping we could get a dedicated discussion on this topic.

It looks like Big Roy so far will be a pretty good starting center. But the big question is who will be the back up center who plays significant minutes. I'm not talking about garbage minutes when the team is down 20 or up 30, I'm talking about close games and Roy needs a breather or maybe he is in foul trouble. The Lakers need a back up who can more than just hold down the fort....they need someone who can help the second unit rally or build upon a lead.

As you all well know, the main candidates are Black, Sacre and Upshaw.

As someone here has mentioned, it seems BS may not be satisfied with Black and Sacre.

Sacre is Sacre....he doesn't do much to help, doesn't really make big mistakes, but he is just taking up space on the roster.

At first I was excited about Tarik Black, young, energetic, strong, defensive minded....but it appears he still hasn't learned any offensive skills. He can barely shoot a free throw. He still has no outside shot and he is not big enough to just dunk on people all day. He's not a great shot blocker and I haven't seen that great defense some people talk about. I'm not sold.

Upshaw has potential but he's not ready yet. But the Lakers should think about the future and hold on to him. He can shoot, he can run, he can block shots. And he's young. If he can just control his demons.

Ok, nothing here that you don't all know.

Now the thing that I think will stir the pot is if Brandon Bass can perform well as a small ball back up center. I think everyone is looking for their version of Draymond Green. Bass can shoot mid range shots, he is a good rebounder, he's strong and he has a good motor. I think he's supposed to be a good defender (Can anyone confirm?)

If the Lakers go with Roy, Bass and Upshaw as their centers.... waive Sacre, trade Black (maybe a package with Nick Young if you really want to get rid of him)...trade or waive Kelly......Maybe there's room for MWP (or Panda friend or whatever he wants to be called now).

If Bass can hold his own defensively he might be a good back up center since he is not a clutz on offense.

And maybe this will make room for Holmes if he impresses. (has he played yet?)

Just my two cents....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Reply with quote
DShotMaker1824
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Feb 2012
Posts: 8767

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:43 am    Post subject:

Bass, Looking like the Rotation Backup Center. But we haven't seen Upshaw yet.
_________________

"Through the legs to the left, through the legs to the right, we don't run them Laker plays, we just Kobe fadeaway..."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
PROPHET
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 05 Jul 2001
Posts: 4356
Location: Oxnard, CA - The Nard

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:45 am    Post subject:

I would rather have Black and then Upshaw in that role. The thing with Sacre is he is a terrible rebounder especially in traffic, last night in that game in OT he should have secured a rebound in his zone but could not get to it, closing minutes. He has issues with rebounding and protecting the rim, no idea what he is good at other than eating big burrito's and getting tattoo's. Time to cut this ese.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Lakerpark
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 09 Nov 2002
Posts: 2117

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:53 am    Post subject:

I agree that Sacre needs to go. My point is that Black is not "untouchable" (slight exaggeration) and that Bass could be an upgrade over Black and also help free up more roster space for guys like MWP. They kind of need to clean up the PF logjam and get rid of some of the deadweight on the team.

And also, it's a good way to give more minutes to Bass and Randle....and even Nance.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:55 am    Post subject:

I see no use for Sacre. He isn't going to magically get better. He is what he is.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
mad55557777
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 29 Jun 2005
Posts: 22798

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:55 am    Post subject:

please cut Sacre
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:56 am    Post subject:

Keep black. Develop Upshaw. Use bass in a pinch in small ball center.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Yong
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 08 Oct 2009
Posts: 9024

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:56 am    Post subject:

Lakerpark wrote:
I agree that Sacre needs to go. My point is that Black is not "untouchable" (slight exaggeration) and that Bass could be an upgrade over Black and also help free up more roster space for guys like MWP. They kind of need to clean up the PF logjam and get rid of some of the deadweight on the team.

And also, it's a good way to give more minutes to Bass and Randle....and even Nance.


sucre is hands down the worst player in the nba, not including those undrafted rookies which we have a glut of
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
mde24
Starting Rotation
Starting Rotation


Joined: 17 Nov 2009
Posts: 755

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:56 am    Post subject:

PROPHET wrote:
I would rather have Black and then Upshaw in that role. The thing with Sacre is he is a terrible rebounder especially in traffic, last night in that game in OT he should have secured a rebound in his zone but could not get to it, closing minutes. He has issues with rebounding and protecting the rim, no idea what he is good at other than eating big burrito's and getting tattoo's. Time to cut this ese.


Yea I was steamed, Sacre had position to secure that rebound. So what happens, while he's standing and waiting for the ball to come to him, the Utah player BEHIND him go's after the ball and get's it. I'm not even gonna bring the ref into this Rob should have went after that ball like his job depended on it cause in my opinion, it did,
_________________
"If you see me in a fight with a bear, prey for the bear". Ive always loved that quote. Thats "mamba mentality" we don't quit, we don't cower, we don't run. We endure and conquer.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
RCS926
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 16824

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:58 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Keep black. Develop Upshaw. Use bass in a pinch in small ball center.


This. Sacre just doesn't bring anything to the table besides the occasional jump hook or jumper.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Eindhoven
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 14 Jul 2015
Posts: 1930
Location: Zürich

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:19 am    Post subject:

I would cut Sacre, no matter what. He simply can't be in our roster.

"What if Upshaw (bleep) things up?". "What if Black doesn't become a decent Center?". Well, then let's go after someone else! Really, it's not that hard to find something better than Sacre.
_________________
....
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
trmiv
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 19 Nov 2001
Posts: 17654
Location: Orlando

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:52 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Keep black. Develop Upshaw. Use bass in a pinch in small ball center.


From your mouth to Byron and Mitch's ears. Please.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
PROPHET
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 05 Jul 2001
Posts: 4356
Location: Oxnard, CA - The Nard

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:07 am    Post subject:

mde24 wrote:
PROPHET wrote:
I would rather have Black and then Upshaw in that role. The thing with Sacre is he is a terrible rebounder especially in traffic, last night in that game in OT he should have secured a rebound in his zone but could not get to it, closing minutes. He has issues with rebounding and protecting the rim, no idea what he is good at other than eating big burrito's and getting tattoo's. Time to cut this ese.


Yea I was steamed, Sacre had position to secure that rebound. So what happens, while he's standing and waiting for the ball to come to him, the Utah player BEHIND him go's after the ball and get's it. I'm not even gonna bring the ref into this Rob should have went after that ball like his job depended on it cause in my opinion, it did,


That Utah player was a guard too, not a big. Cut this dude.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Ziggy
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 12712

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:14 am    Post subject:

I was honestly shocked when I got the news we re-signed Sacre. I thought we already had enough game film to determine he's not an NBA talent. I would've rather rolled the dice on a D-League or even overseas player. Sacre must go.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
CandyCanes
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 24 Dec 2007
Posts: 35750
Location: Santa Clarita, CA (Hell) ->>>>>Ithaca, NY -≥≥≥≥≥Berkeley, CA

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:16 am    Post subject:

diando wrote:
Bass, Looking like the Rotation Backup Center. But we haven't seen Upshaw yet.


Bass isn't even tall enough to play PF...
_________________
Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Reply with quote
lkjhf
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 01 Jun 2012
Posts: 1166

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:22 am    Post subject:

wish upshaw could get some time in preseason
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
deal
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 17 Aug 2008
Posts: 14900
Location: Earth

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:27 am    Post subject:

lkjhf wrote:
wish upshaw could get some time in preseason



he seems to be on the sh__t list for some reason...
_________________
Lakers need to build a freaking team !
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Jim99187
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 03 Jan 2014
Posts: 22138

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:28 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Keep black. Develop Upshaw. Use bass in a pinch in small ball center.


use black to get rid of n young. use bass/metta as backup C with upshaw developing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
deal
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 17 Aug 2008
Posts: 14900
Location: Earth

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:34 am    Post subject:

Jim99187 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Keep black. Develop Upshaw. Use bass in a pinch in small ball center.


use black to get rid of n young. use bass/metta as backup C with upshaw developing



Metta @ C? o lord no......I would test Holmes (Positions 3-5) though; he has the body/weight...
_________________
Lakers need to build a freaking team !
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
danzag
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 28 Apr 2013
Posts: 22244
Location: Brazil

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:41 am    Post subject:

Quote:
Keep Black. Develop Upshaw.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
yinoma2001
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 119487

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:42 am    Post subject:

What's the best case scenario for Sacre? 3rd string center

Same for Upshaw? Could easily be backup center in a year or two, possibly starting material.
_________________
From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
PhoenixForce
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 07 Oct 2014
Posts: 1780

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:44 am    Post subject:

Scott needs to stop (bleep) around and give Sacre's preseason minutes to Upshaw. There's way more potential with Upshaw. Sacre is the worst player in the league with Ryan Kelly coming in 2nd.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
bandiger
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 02 Apr 2014
Posts: 12555

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:45 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
What's the best case scenario for Sacre? 3rd string center

Same for Upshaw? Could easily be backup center in a year or two, possibly starting material.


Why even keep him, he could barely play on Team Canada over Olynyk. Bass is a better center than Sacre.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
deal
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 17 Aug 2008
Posts: 14900
Location: Earth

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:08 am    Post subject:

bandiger wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
What's the best case scenario for Sacre? 3rd string center

Same for Upshaw? Could easily be backup center in a year or two, possibly starting material.


Why even keep him, he could barely play on Team Canada over Olynyk. Bass is a better center than Sacre.



Upshaw is a project but could pan out. I don't see any upside coming from Sacre either. I think our backup is Black and I guess we need to see Upshaw play various games before we make a case for him one way or the other....
_________________
Lakers need to build a freaking team !
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Omar Little
Moderator
Moderator


Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 90299
Location: Formerly Known As 24

PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:34 pm    Post subject:

As I posted elsewhere, team seems to be looking at Bass's strength and quickness, which give you what Tarik brings (while adding an outside shot), and mating that with a guy like Kelly, who brings the length and rim protection that neither Bass nor Black possess. And an outside shot fr spacing.

Black may lose a numbers game simply because Bass and Kelly are a better fit than Black and Bass.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> LA Lakers Lounge All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Page 1 of 7
Jump to:  

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum






Graphics by uberzev
© 1995-2018 LakersGround.net. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy. Terms of Use.
LakersGround is an unofficial news source serving the fan community since 1995.
We are in no way associated with the Los Angeles Lakers or the National Basketball Association.


Powered by phpBB