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| ringfinger wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | Writer stating the obvious. This isn't new. I already assume the Lakers would let Kobe play it year to year if he wanted to at $5-10M.
If Kobe leaves that's a knock on him and not the franchise. Lakers have the leverage here folks. |
you're absolutely 100% right, but unfortunately, our ownership (Jeanie Buss) in particular only cares about TV ratings and how team's business partners think. to those people (who are only in it for the $$$ and not really fan of the team), Kobe's face alone sells tickets, little they know real Laker fans want to see a winning product, or at least a team that's growing into a winning product, personally, without Kobe's shadow, drama and uncertainties lingering along, we will accomplish that sooner |
Exactly. This is the point a lot of people are missing from the article because they're too focused on the unpleasantries in it.
That's precisely why it is a "nightmare" for the Lakers so to speak if Kobe decides he wants to keep playing. The best case scenario for them is that he retires a Laker this year.
If he doesn't -- then the Lakers are in the uncomfortable position to decide whether to forgo a cash cow for the sake of developing the new core, or risk impeding that development by keeping a cash cow who would likely utilize at least a considerable portion of the salary cap in addition to warrant pretty much all of the attention from fans, media, team resources, etc.
It's emotion vs business vs team development, in essence. |
The Lakers gave Kobe his golden parachute, that was a point in the negotiations. If Kobe returns, it will be on the FO's terms, not his like this current contract is.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Voices wrote: | Kobe will never take a backseat to players that he still better than, right now Kobe is still the Lakers best player. It is clear that a healthy Kobe can still be a great player. Going forward if and it is a big if Kobe stays healthy he is still the man.
Will he retire as a Lakers remains to be seen....... |
Right now? Right now is irrelevant to this discussion really.
And you highlight the exact reason why many of the "insiders" feel it is best to move on from Kobe. Because as long as he thinks he's still the top dog, he will never take a backseat.
But him taking a backseat, is perhaps, exactly what this team needs. |
Of course right now is relevant.
If the future is growing one of our young draft picks into an allstar. Kobe taking all the pressure of being the number 1 guy in the short term is good for them.
If the future is grabbing a star FA or two. Having a healthy, all star Kobe Bryant makes the roster much more appealing.
If people think salary cap is enough to grab free agents they haven't been paying attention to our last few offseasons. Gotta have talent on the roster.
With the cap increase. A healthy Kobe's future salary is less of an issue.
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| kikanga wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Voices wrote: | Kobe will never take a backseat to players that he still better than, right now Kobe is still the Lakers best player. It is clear that a healthy Kobe can still be a great player. Going forward if and it is a big if Kobe stays healthy he is still the man.
Will he retire as a Lakers remains to be seen....... |
Right now? Right now is irrelevant to this discussion really.
And you highlight the exact reason why many of the "insiders" feel it is best to move on from Kobe. Because as long as he thinks he's still the top dog, he will never take a backseat.
But him taking a backseat, is perhaps, exactly what this team needs. |
Of course right now is relevant.
If the future is growing one of our young draft picks into an allstar. Kobe taking all the pressure of being the number 1 guy in the short term is good for them.
If the future is grabbing a star FA or two. Having a healthy, all star Kobe Bryant makes the roster much more appealing.
If people think salary cap is enough to grab free agents they haven't been paying attention to our last few offseasons. Gotta have talent on the roster.
With the cap increase. A healthy Kobe's future salary is less of an issue. |
But the whole premise of the article in question is about what happens when Kobe says he wants to play next year and beyond.
Having a healthy, all-star Kobe? Would you want to give him a max extension -- isn't that what a healthy all-star Kobe deserves? |
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My only issue with the article is that the writer is surveying guys who have never had a player that brought them 5 titles and billions of dollars. Unless they interviewed the Bull GM when MJ was there. In reality they have no idea of how they would react if Kobe was their player and wanted to play next season, they have no concept of how they might feel.
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Kobe should retire after this season. Better to leave with a little left than too late. If he has a good season, count your blessings and than go to Italy and retire.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | Writer stating the obvious. This isn't new. I already assume the Lakers would let Kobe play it year to year if he wanted to at $5-10M.
If Kobe leaves that's a knock on him and not the franchise. Lakers have the leverage here folks. |
you're absolutely 100% right, but unfortunately, our ownership (Jeanie Buss) in particular only cares about TV ratings and how team's business partners think. to those people (who are only in it for the $$$ and not really fan of the team), Kobe's face alone sells tickets, little they know real Laker fans want to see a winning product, or at least a team that's growing into a winning product, personally, without Kobe's shadow, drama and uncertainties lingering along, we will accomplish that sooner |
Exactly. This is the point a lot of people are missing from the article because they're too focused on the unpleasantries in it.
That's precisely why it is a "nightmare" for the Lakers so to speak if Kobe decides he wants to keep playing. The best case scenario for them is that he retires a Laker this year.
If he doesn't -- then the Lakers are in the uncomfortable position to decide whether to forgo a cash cow for the sake of developing the new core, or risk impeding that development by keeping a cash cow who would likely utilize at least a considerable portion of the salary cap in addition to warrant pretty much all of the attention from fans, media, team resources, etc.
It's emotion vs business vs team development, in essence. |
The Lakers gave Kobe his golden parachute, that was a point in the negotiations. If Kobe returns, it will be on the FO's terms, not his like this current contract is. |
I agree. But in previous negotiations, it was a generally easy discussion to have.
The point of the article, is that should Kobe decide to stay, that discussion and decision is not so easy now. |
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I think that decision has already been made, and Kobe is aware of what it will be.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | I think that decision has already been made, and Kobe is aware of what it will be. |
Which decision? Whether he's going to retire? What makes you think that and what do you think the decision is? |
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What the FO will do if Kobe does want to come back. I honestly don't think that Kobe knows now if he will retire or not. Jim Buss has already laid the groundwork for what Kobe needs to expect if he wants to return, a defined contract and a defined role. Of course, Jeannie could always overrule that.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Voices wrote: | Kobe will never take a backseat to players that he still better than, right now Kobe is still the Lakers best player. It is clear that a healthy Kobe can still be a great player. Going forward if and it is a big if Kobe stays healthy he is still the man.
Will he retire as a Lakers remains to be seen....... |
Right now? Right now is irrelevant to this discussion really.
And you highlight the exact reason why many of the "insiders" feel it is best to move on from Kobe. Because as long as he thinks he's still the top dog, he will never take a backseat.
But him taking a backseat, is perhaps, exactly what this team needs. |
Of course right now is relevant.
If the future is growing one of our young draft picks into an allstar. Kobe taking all the pressure of being the number 1 guy in the short term is good for them.
If the future is grabbing a star FA or two. Having a healthy, all star Kobe Bryant makes the roster much more appealing.
If people think salary cap is enough to grab free agents they haven't been paying attention to our last few offseasons. Gotta have talent on the roster.
With the cap increase. A healthy Kobe's future salary is less of an issue. |
But the whole premise of the article in question is about what happens when Kobe says he wants to play next year and beyond.
Having a healthy, all-star Kobe? Would you want to give him a max extension -- isn't that what a healthy all-star Kobe deserves? |
If he's the 5th best SG in the league, he should be payed comparable to his peers (prorated against the salary cap).
Since he's older, give him a shorter deal than younger peers would get. But that's it.
I don't see how this is complicated or a big deal. Or how Kobe staying healthy and playing on is harmful for the lakers.
There is no guarantee another all star walks through our front door when Kobe leaves.
And all the time, young players improve when there are better, veteran players on their team.
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The Lakers should be more worried about if Kobe stays healthy and chooses not to come back next offseason.
Then we have 60 mill in cap room and we have to hope we fill it with all stars better than him.
Which is far from a guarantee.
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Kobe shouldn't be given a contract longer than one season. Get into multiyear and you have to worry about the over 36 rule which can be hard on the cap.
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| kikanga wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Voices wrote: | Kobe will never take a backseat to players that he still better than, right now Kobe is still the Lakers best player. It is clear that a healthy Kobe can still be a great player. Going forward if and it is a big if Kobe stays healthy he is still the man.
Will he retire as a Lakers remains to be seen....... |
Right now? Right now is irrelevant to this discussion really.
And you highlight the exact reason why many of the "insiders" feel it is best to move on from Kobe. Because as long as he thinks he's still the top dog, he will never take a backseat.
But him taking a backseat, is perhaps, exactly what this team needs. |
Of course right now is relevant.
If the future is growing one of our young draft picks into an allstar. Kobe taking all the pressure of being the number 1 guy in the short term is good for them.
If the future is grabbing a star FA or two. Having a healthy, all star Kobe Bryant makes the roster much more appealing.
If people think salary cap is enough to grab free agents they haven't been paying attention to our last few offseasons. Gotta have talent on the roster.
With the cap increase. A healthy Kobe's future salary is less of an issue. |
But the whole premise of the article in question is about what happens when Kobe says he wants to play next year and beyond.
Having a healthy, all-star Kobe? Would you want to give him a max extension -- isn't that what a healthy all-star Kobe deserves? |
If he's the 5th best SG in the league, he should be payed comparable to his peers (prorated against the salary cap).
Since he's older, give him a shorter deal than younger peers would get. But that's it.
I don't see how this is complicated or a big deal. Or how Kobe staying healthy and playing on is harmful for the lakers.
There is no guarantee another all star walks through our front door when Kobe leaves.
And all the time, young players improve when there are better, veteran players on their team. |
Because there literally is zero harm to the team or players if Kobe stays and any idea to the contrary is sensationalism. Also the idea that Kobe is a hinderence to the team on the court is laughable. what's Kevin Durants ranking after not playing for 2 years or however long it's been?
The idea that a 5 time champ who can still ball better than 90% of the league being detrimental to the team and the development of our young players is comical guys. Besides a couple losers and burn outs like Smush Parker and Andrew Bynum, what players have said anything bad about Kobe? It's getting ridiculous what these guys are reporting considering guys like Kevin Durant, Chris Paul and many others have explicitly stated the opposite of what's been reported yet none of those quotes are used. Instead he uses unnamed sources because Baxter Holmes has an agenda.
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| evetssteve10 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Voices wrote: | Kobe will never take a backseat to players that he still better than, right now Kobe is still the Lakers best player. It is clear that a healthy Kobe can still be a great player. Going forward if and it is a big if Kobe stays healthy he is still the man.
Will he retire as a Lakers remains to be seen....... |
Right now? Right now is irrelevant to this discussion really.
And you highlight the exact reason why many of the "insiders" feel it is best to move on from Kobe. Because as long as he thinks he's still the top dog, he will never take a backseat.
But him taking a backseat, is perhaps, exactly what this team needs. |
Of course right now is relevant.
If the future is growing one of our young draft picks into an allstar. Kobe taking all the pressure of being the number 1 guy in the short term is good for them.
If the future is grabbing a star FA or two. Having a healthy, all star Kobe Bryant makes the roster much more appealing.
If people think salary cap is enough to grab free agents they haven't been paying attention to our last few offseasons. Gotta have talent on the roster.
With the cap increase. A healthy Kobe's future salary is less of an issue. |
But the whole premise of the article in question is about what happens when Kobe says he wants to play next year and beyond.
Having a healthy, all-star Kobe? Would you want to give him a max extension -- isn't that what a healthy all-star Kobe deserves? |
If he's the 5th best SG in the league, he should be payed comparable to his peers (prorated against the salary cap).
Since he's older, give him a shorter deal than younger peers would get. But that's it.
I don't see how this is complicated or a big deal. Or how Kobe staying healthy and playing on is harmful for the lakers.
There is no guarantee another all star walks through our front door when Kobe leaves.
And all the time, young players improve when there are better, veteran players on their team. |
Because there literally is zero harm to the team or players if Kone stays and any idea to the contrary is sensationalism. Also the idea that Kobe is a hinderence to the team on the court is laughable. what's Kevin Durants ranking after not playing for 2 years or however long it's been?
The idea that a 5 time champ who can still ball better than 90% of the league being detrimental to the team and the development of our young players is comical guys. Besides a couple losers and burn outs like Smush Parker and Andrew Bynum, what players have said anything bad about Kobe? It's getting ridiculous what these guys are reporting considering guys like Kevin Durant, Chris Paul and many others have explicitly stated the opposite of what's been reported yet none of those quotes are used. Instead he uses unnamed sources because Baxter Holmes has an agenda. |
Just for the sake of accuracy, last season was the first injur-plagued season Durant had. He won the MVP two seasons ago. |
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| KBH wrote: | | evetssteve10 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Voices wrote: | Kobe will never take a backseat to players that he still better than, right now Kobe is still the Lakers best player. It is clear that a healthy Kobe can still be a great player. Going forward if and it is a big if Kobe stays healthy he is still the man.
Will he retire as a Lakers remains to be seen....... |
Right now? Right now is irrelevant to this discussion really.
And you highlight the exact reason why many of the "insiders" feel it is best to move on from Kobe. Because as long as he thinks he's still the top dog, he will never take a backseat.
But him taking a backseat, is perhaps, exactly what this team needs. |
Of course right now is relevant.
If the future is growing one of our young draft picks into an allstar. Kobe taking all the pressure of being the number 1 guy in the short term is good for them.
If the future is grabbing a star FA or two. Having a healthy, all star Kobe Bryant makes the roster much more appealing.
If people think salary cap is enough to grab free agents they haven't been paying attention to our last few offseasons. Gotta have talent on the roster.
With the cap increase. A healthy Kobe's future salary is less of an issue. |
But the whole premise of the article in question is about what happens when Kobe says he wants to play next year and beyond.
Having a healthy, all-star Kobe? Would you want to give him a max extension -- isn't that what a healthy all-star Kobe deserves? |
If he's the 5th best SG in the league, he should be payed comparable to his peers (prorated against the salary cap).
Since he's older, give him a shorter deal than younger peers would get. But that's it.
I don't see how this is complicated or a big deal. Or how Kobe staying healthy and playing on is harmful for the lakers.
There is no guarantee another all star walks through our front door when Kobe leaves.
And all the time, young players improve when there are better, veteran players on their team. |
Because there literally is zero harm to the team or players if Kone stays and any idea to the contrary is sensationalism. Also the idea that Kobe is a hinderence to the team on the court is laughable. what's Kevin Durants ranking after not playing for 2 years or however long it's been?
The idea that a 5 time champ who can still ball better than 90% of the league being detrimental to the team and the development of our young players is comical guys. Besides a couple losers and burn outs like Smush Parker and Andrew Bynum, what players have said anything bad about Kobe? It's getting ridiculous what these guys are reporting considering guys like Kevin Durant, Chris Paul and many others have explicitly stated the opposite of what's been reported yet none of those quotes are used. Instead he uses unnamed sources because Baxter Holmes has an agenda. |
Just for the sake of accuracy, last season was the first injur-plagued season Durant had. He won the MVP two seasons ago. |
I appreciate the correction. I could of sworn he missed a lot of time 2 seasons in a row but didn't bother to check it out :/. Thanks again.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | What the FO will do if Kobe does want to come back. I honestly don't think that Kobe knows now if he will retire or not. Jim Buss has already laid the groundwork for what Kobe needs to expect if he wants to return, a defined contract and a defined role. Of course, Jeannie could always overrule that. |
Just Jeannie or the other kids too? They all have equal stake, and if it's determined that Kobe is still a moneymaker...
I hope Jim is not just blowing smoke. He was reportedly dubious on the last extension as well before ultimately caving. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | What the FO will do if Kobe does want to come back. I honestly don't think that Kobe knows now if he will retire or not. Jim Buss has already laid the groundwork for what Kobe needs to expect if he wants to return, a defined contract and a defined role. Of course, Jeannie could always overrule that. |
Just Jeannie or the other kids too? They all have equal stake, and if it's determined that Kobe is still a moneymaker...
I hope Jim is not just blowing smoke. He was reportedly dubious on the last extension as well before ultimately caving. |
This is just my semi-educated speculation, but I expect both Mitch and Jim would have preferred to have flexibility very giving Kobe the extension. That's not to say they wouldn't have ultimately paid him, but they certainly would have liked to have more control and ability to look at a lot of stuff. They couldn't, however, go toe to toe with Jeanie, because the PR hit would have been monumental, and would have been further anti-Jim ammunition.
So if you want to think in a Machiavellian way, Jeanie forcing the Kobe deal through actually hurt the team's flexibility, and perhaps its appeal to bigger names. The team would have been far better off going with single year decisions. |
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| evetssteve10 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Voices wrote: | Kobe will never take a backseat to players that he still better than, right now Kobe is still the Lakers best player. It is clear that a healthy Kobe can still be a great player. Going forward if and it is a big if Kobe stays healthy he is still the man.
Will he retire as a Lakers remains to be seen....... |
Right now? Right now is irrelevant to this discussion really.
And you highlight the exact reason why many of the "insiders" feel it is best to move on from Kobe. Because as long as he thinks he's still the top dog, he will never take a backseat.
But him taking a backseat, is perhaps, exactly what this team needs. |
Of course right now is relevant.
If the future is growing one of our young draft picks into an allstar. Kobe taking all the pressure of being the number 1 guy in the short term is good for them.
If the future is grabbing a star FA or two. Having a healthy, all star Kobe Bryant makes the roster much more appealing.
If people think salary cap is enough to grab free agents they haven't been paying attention to our last few offseasons. Gotta have talent on the roster.
With the cap increase. A healthy Kobe's future salary is less of an issue. |
But the whole premise of the article in question is about what happens when Kobe says he wants to play next year and beyond.
Having a healthy, all-star Kobe? Would you want to give him a max extension -- isn't that what a healthy all-star Kobe deserves? |
If he's the 5th best SG in the league, he should be payed comparable to his peers (prorated against the salary cap).
Since he's older, give him a shorter deal than younger peers would get. But that's it.
I don't see how this is complicated or a big deal. Or how Kobe staying healthy and playing on is harmful for the lakers.
There is no guarantee another all star walks through our front door when Kobe leaves.
And all the time, young players improve when there are better, veteran players on their team. |
Because there literally is zero harm to the team or players if Kobe stays and any idea to the contrary is sensationalism. Also the idea that Kobe is a hinderence to the team on the court is laughable. what's Kevin Durants ranking after not playing for 2 years or however long it's been?
The idea that a 5 time champ who can still ball better than 90% of the league being detrimental to the team and the development of our young players is comical guys. Besides a couple losers and burn outs like Smush Parker and Andrew Bynum, what players have said anything bad about Kobe? It's getting ridiculous what these guys are reporting considering guys like Kevin Durant, Chris Paul and many others have explicitly stated the opposite of what's been reported yet none of those quotes are used. Instead he uses unnamed sources because Baxter Holmes has an agenda. |
You're looking at it wrong. Again, oversensitivity defying reason. It's not really about this season. It's about -- what is the BEST thing for this franchise in order to be where it wants to be in the next 3 years after this season?
This is why teams move their veterans players, particularly their mainstays, when they're trying to turn a new leaf. Do you wonder why they do that? |
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| Anyone trying to justify that article is phony as hell. What a joke. This is like any general NBA forum around. NBAground.net |
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| 24 wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | What the FO will do if Kobe does want to come back. I honestly don't think that Kobe knows now if he will retire or not. Jim Buss has already laid the groundwork for what Kobe needs to expect if he wants to return, a defined contract and a defined role. Of course, Jeannie could always overrule that. |
Just Jeannie or the other kids too? They all have equal stake, and if it's determined that Kobe is still a moneymaker...
I hope Jim is not just blowing smoke. He was reportedly dubious on the last extension as well before ultimately caving. |
This is just my semi-educated speculation, but I expect both Mitch and Jim would have preferred to have flexibility very giving Kobe the extension. That's not to say they wouldn't have ultimately paid him, but they certainly would have liked to have more control and ability to look at a lot of stuff. They couldn't, however, go toe to toe with Jeanie, because the PR hit would have been monumental, and would have been further anti-Jim ammunition.
So if you want to think in a Machiavellian way, Jeanie forcing the Kobe deal through actually hurt the team's flexibility, and perhaps its appeal to bigger names. The team would have been far better off going with single year decisions. |
There were reports that the Lakers got a lot of pressure to resign Kobe from key season-set holders. I'm sure Time-Warner gave a lot of input on how losing Kobe would lower ratings and cost the Lakers a lot money.
From a basketball standpoint, it's hard to justify the Kobe extensions, especially since it was signed when he was still injured and there was no rush to do a deal.
So there is no end of theories about the reasons for the deal -- there were a lot of stakeholders involved who had a lot of different interests. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | What the FO will do if Kobe does want to come back. I honestly don't think that Kobe knows now if he will retire or not. Jim Buss has already laid the groundwork for what Kobe needs to expect if he wants to return, a defined contract and a defined role. Of course, Jeannie could always overrule that. |
Just Jeannie or the other kids too? They all have equal stake, and if it's determined that Kobe is still a moneymaker...
I hope Jim is not just blowing smoke. He was reportedly dubious on the last extension as well before ultimately caving. |
This is just my semi-educated speculation, but I expect both Mitch and Jim would have preferred to have flexibility very giving Kobe the extension. That's not to say they wouldn't have ultimately paid him, but they certainly would have liked to have more control and ability to look at a lot of stuff. They couldn't, however, go toe to toe with Jeanie, because the PR hit would have been monumental, and would have been further anti-Jim ammunition.
So if you want to think in a Machiavellian way, Jeanie forcing the Kobe deal through actually hurt the team's flexibility, and perhaps its appeal to bigger names. The team would have been far better off going with single year decisions. |
There were reports that the Lakers got a lot of pressure to resign Kobe from key season-set holders. I'm sure Time-Warner gave a lot of input on how losing Kobe would lower ratings and cost the Lakers a lot money.
From a basketball standpoint, it's hard to justify the Kobe extensions, especially since it was signed when he was still injured and there was no rush to do a deal.
So there is no end of theories about the reasons for the deal -- there were a lot of stakeholders involved who had a lot of different interests. |
The irony of the TWC angle of it is that TV ratings were in the toilet last season, worse than the nearly Kobeless season before, and this was during his scoring chase.
I find it hard to believe that season ticket holders possess that much power, but who knows. |
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With the long waiting list for season tickets I doubt the current holders wield much power.
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| evetssteve10 wrote: | | ? It's getting ridiculous what these guys are reporting considering guys like Kevin Durant, Chris Paul and many others have explicitly stated the opposite of what's been reported yet none of those quotes are used. Instead he uses unnamed sources because Baxter Holmes has an agenda. |
Anonymous sources have their place. People will tell you things anonymously that they would never dare say publically, so you sometimes have to use this approach to get the truth or at least one version of truth. |
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greenfrog
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| activeverb wrote: | | evetssteve10 wrote: | | ? It's getting ridiculous what these guys are reporting considering guys like Kevin Durant, Chris Paul and many others have explicitly stated the opposite of what's been reported yet none of those quotes are used. Instead he uses unnamed sources because Baxter Holmes has an agenda. |
Anonymous sources have their place. People will tell you things anonymously that they would never dare say publically, so you sometimes have to use this approach to get the truth or at least one version of truth. |
Yeah, I guess Watergate never should have made print either. |
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tolivendiewithLA
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Anonymous sources are how they get to pick and choose people who will give them the answers they're looking for in order to continue their biased narrative. Some of these "insiders" LOL are already known, they're ESPN guys like Amin Elhassan, Henry Abbott and Ethan Strauss among others, all known Kobe haters.
Can't wait until these ESPN writers have to actually write about basketball after Kobe retires.
People know that ESPN has written more articles about Kobe than any other athlete since they started their website? That's an actual fact not exaggerated BS. That gravy train is going to run out soon. |
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