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I loved the Matt Kemp trade to the Padres, but let's face it, Friedman got owned with the trade that involved the Marlins. They basically gave up Dee Gordon, paid Dan Haren's $10MM salary to not play for us, and traded team control of Andrew Heaney for 6 years for 1 year of Howie Kendrick. Yes, the Dodgers did get Enrique Hernandez and Chris Hatcher as well, along with minor leaguer Austin Barnes. But Gordon and Heaney (and the $10MM) was not worth 1 year of Kendrick, a super utility guy, an inconsistent reliever, and a minor leaguer. It would have been worth it had we just kept Heaney and not flipped him for Kendrick. (Stroke of genius move by Jerry DiPoto, by the way.)
The Dodgers made a mistake in moving Heaney for Kendrick, but they should not double down and give Howie a long-term deal now. Second baseman tend to not age well into their mid-30's, and that's what Howie's next contract will lead him into.
Perhaps they can go with Peraza at 2B and he can be the speed element atop the lineup that they lost when they traded Gordon. There was also a report out there that the Reds are looking to move Chapman and Phillips. It would be a Friedman move to agree to take on Phillips' entire salary for the next two seasons if it means getting Chapman, and perhaps they wouldn't have to give up as much if they did so. Phillips, though obviously pricey, is coming off a resurgent season, putting up a 3.5 WAR. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:21 am Post subject: |
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I agree -- I was super high on that deal until we dealt Heaney. |
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rwongega Franchise Player
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ChickenStu wrote: | I loved the Matt Kemp trade to the Padres, but let's face it, Friedman got owned with the trade that involved the Marlins. They basically gave up Dee Gordon, paid Dan Haren's $10MM salary to not play for us, and traded team control of Andrew Heaney for 6 years for 1 year of Howie Kendrick. Yes, the Dodgers did get Enrique Hernandez and Chris Hatcher as well, along with minor leaguer Austin Barnes. But Gordon and Heaney (and the $10MM) was not worth 1 year of Kendrick, a super utility guy, an inconsistent reliever, and a minor leaguer. It would have been worth it had we just kept Heaney and not flipped him for Kendrick. (Stroke of genius move by Jerry DiPoto, by the way.)
The Dodgers made a mistake in moving Heaney for Kendrick, but they should not double down and give Howie a long-term deal now. Second baseman tend to not age well into their mid-30's, and that's what Howie's next contract will lead him into.
Perhaps they can go with Peraza at 2B and he can be the speed element atop the lineup that they lost when they traded Gordon. There was also a report out there that the Reds are looking to move Chapman and Phillips. It would be a Friedman move to agree to take on Phillips' entire salary for the next two seasons if it means getting Chapman, and perhaps they wouldn't have to give up as much if they did so. Phillips, though obviously pricey, is coming off a resurgent season, putting up a 3.5 WAR. |
Yup, Reds are willing to unload everyone to re-build Cubs style.
I'd definitely be interested in Chapman and Phillips (2 yrs @ $13.5M avg)
Add those 2 and the off-season is pretty much done.
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:48 am Post subject: |
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rwongega wrote: | Was never a fan of the Kemp deal and was definitely not so with the Gordon deal. |
You weren't a fan of the Kemp deal? We got over on the Padres big time on that one. Dumping as much of Kemp's contract was a massive victory in and of itself. And Grandal was beasting before he got hurt. Assuming he returns healthy, he's one of the better-hitting catchers in the league. |
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:50 am Post subject: |
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Dodgers also interested in Darren O'Day, apparently. |
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KobeRe-Loaded Franchise Player
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ChickenStu wrote: | Dodgers also interested in Darren O'Day, apparently. |
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rwongega Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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ChickenStu wrote: | rwongega wrote: | Was never a fan of the Kemp deal and was definitely not so with the Gordon deal. |
You weren't a fan of the Kemp deal? We got over on the Padres big time on that one. Dumping as much of Kemp's contract was a massive victory in and of itself. And Grandal was beasting before he got hurt. Assuming he returns healthy, he's one of the better-hitting catchers in the league. |
No. I don't like roiders on principle and Grandal is one of them. Grandal had a nice burst but really, he's a .230-.240 hitting catcher with artificial power. That avg would've come down anyways. I had hoped for the Ethier-Montero trade to go through. _________________ http://media.giphy.com/media/zNyBPu5hEFpu/giphy.gif
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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rwongega wrote: | ChickenStu wrote: | rwongega wrote: | Was never a fan of the Kemp deal and was definitely not so with the Gordon deal. |
You weren't a fan of the Kemp deal? We got over on the Padres big time on that one. Dumping as much of Kemp's contract was a massive victory in and of itself. And Grandal was beasting before he got hurt. Assuming he returns healthy, he's one of the better-hitting catchers in the league. |
No. I don't like roiders on principle and Grandal is one of them. Grandal had a nice burst but really, he's a .230-.240 hitting catcher with artificial power. That avg would've come down anyways. I had hoped for the Ethier-Montero trade to go through. |
Kemp may have been a roider as well. So many were and are. I've given up trying to pass judgment.
Back to talking about relievers, it really looks like many teams are considering moving stud closers, perhaps realizing that they have such short shelf-lives. The Dodgers really need to come up with one of these guys and form a dynamic bullpen. It's been the absolute weak-link of the team for a couple of seasons, maybe more. Postseason baseball is a different game. You need to be able to shorten the game. So whether it's Chapman, Andrew Miller, O'Day, Soria, Benoit, Kimbrel, Ken Giles, etc...the Dodgers just need to address this situation. Badly. |
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rwongega Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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rwongega wrote: | ChickenStu wrote: | rwongega wrote: | Was never a fan of the Kemp deal and was definitely not so with the Gordon deal. |
You weren't a fan of the Kemp deal? We got over on the Padres big time on that one. Dumping as much of Kemp's contract was a massive victory in and of itself. And Grandal was beasting before he got hurt. Assuming he returns healthy, he's one of the better-hitting catchers in the league. |
No. I don't like roiders on principle and Grandal is one of them. Grandal had a nice burst but really, he's a .230-.240 hitting catcher with artificial power. That avg would've come down anyways. I had hoped for the Ethier-Montero trade to go through. |
yup..and Kemp did pretty darn well this year. 4th in RBI in the NL. Still can't play a lick of D, but can Grandal stay healthy? |
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Snipes wrote: | rwongega wrote: | ChickenStu wrote: | rwongega wrote: | Was never a fan of the Kemp deal and was definitely not so with the Gordon deal. |
You weren't a fan of the Kemp deal? We got over on the Padres big time on that one. Dumping as much of Kemp's contract was a massive victory in and of itself. And Grandal was beasting before he got hurt. Assuming he returns healthy, he's one of the better-hitting catchers in the league. |
No. I don't like roiders on principle and Grandal is one of them. Grandal had a nice burst but really, he's a .230-.240 hitting catcher with artificial power. That avg would've come down anyways. I had hoped for the Ethier-Montero trade to go through. |
yup..and Kemp did pretty darn well this year. 4th in RBI in the NL. Still can't play a lick of D, but can Grandal stay healthy? |
RBI is like literally the worst metric you can judge a hitter on though. |
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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DuncanIdaho wrote: | Snipes wrote: | rwongega wrote: | ChickenStu wrote: | rwongega wrote: | Was never a fan of the Kemp deal and was definitely not so with the Gordon deal. |
You weren't a fan of the Kemp deal? We got over on the Padres big time on that one. Dumping as much of Kemp's contract was a massive victory in and of itself. And Grandal was beasting before he got hurt. Assuming he returns healthy, he's one of the better-hitting catchers in the league. |
No. I don't like roiders on principle and Grandal is one of them. Grandal had a nice burst but really, he's a .230-.240 hitting catcher with artificial power. That avg would've come down anyways. I had hoped for the Ethier-Montero trade to go through. |
yup..and Kemp did pretty darn well this year. 4th in RBI in the NL. Still can't play a lick of D, but can Grandal stay healthy? |
RBI is like literally the worst metric you can judge a hitter on though. |
Fair, but he still exceeded my expectations this year. I will always root or him. Also he hit for the cycle!!!! |
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Snipes wrote: | DuncanIdaho wrote: | Snipes wrote: | rwongega wrote: | ChickenStu wrote: | rwongega wrote: | Was never a fan of the Kemp deal and was definitely not so with the Gordon deal. |
You weren't a fan of the Kemp deal? We got over on the Padres big time on that one. Dumping as much of Kemp's contract was a massive victory in and of itself. And Grandal was beasting before he got hurt. Assuming he returns healthy, he's one of the better-hitting catchers in the league. |
No. I don't like roiders on principle and Grandal is one of them. Grandal had a nice burst but really, he's a .230-.240 hitting catcher with artificial power. That avg would've come down anyways. I had hoped for the Ethier-Montero trade to go through. |
yup..and Kemp did pretty darn well this year. 4th in RBI in the NL. Still can't play a lick of D, but can Grandal stay healthy? |
RBI is like literally the worst metric you can judge a hitter on though. |
Fair, but he still exceeded my expectations this year. I will always root or him. Also he hit for the cycle!!!! |
He did get robbed by that roiding liar in 2011. I still keep my Kemp jersey and wear it proudly. |
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rwongega Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Snipes wrote: | DuncanIdaho wrote: | Snipes wrote: | rwongega wrote: | ChickenStu wrote: | rwongega wrote: | Was never a fan of the Kemp deal and was definitely not so with the Gordon deal. |
You weren't a fan of the Kemp deal? We got over on the Padres big time on that one. Dumping as much of Kemp's contract was a massive victory in and of itself. And Grandal was beasting before he got hurt. Assuming he returns healthy, he's one of the better-hitting catchers in the league. |
No. I don't like roiders on principle and Grandal is one of them. Grandal had a nice burst but really, he's a .230-.240 hitting catcher with artificial power. That avg would've come down anyways. I had hoped for the Ethier-Montero trade to go through. |
yup..and Kemp did pretty darn well this year. 4th in RBI in the NL. Still can't play a lick of D, but can Grandal stay healthy? |
RBI is like literally the worst metric you can judge a hitter on though. |
Fair, but he still exceeded my expectations this year. I will always root or him. Also he hit for the cycle!!!! |
Likewise. He treated the fans at Dodger Stadium well. _________________ http://media.giphy.com/media/zNyBPu5hEFpu/giphy.gif
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Kemp played miserably this year when the Padres actually had hopes of staying in contention. Once their record became horrific, he started to hit. I'm usually not impressed when players put up numbers with no pressure. Also, his "defense" in the outfield continues to be a joke. That's a trade I would make 100 times out of 100. Just the financial relief alone made it worth it. |
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ChickenStu wrote: | Kemp played miserably this year when the Padres actually had hopes of staying in contention. Once their record became horrific, he started to hit. I'm usually not impressed when players put up numbers with no pressure. Also, his "defense" in the outfield continues to be a joke. That's a trade I would make 100 times out of 100. Just the financial relief alone made it worth it. |
Agree 100% .... if Grandal never got hurt for the final 30-40 games, his numbers would likely 20% higher overall. Even with the injury, he ended the season pretty much the best hitting catcher or at least in the top 5.
Don't forget, Kemp was a clubhouse cancer.
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Angels trade for Andrelton Simmons
When I heard he was available, I wanted the Dodgers to make a move for him; strengthen SS, move Seager to 3b and play JT at 2b. But after seeing what it cost the Angels, it likely would have cost the Dodgers at least JDL if not more. |
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ChickenStu wrote: | Kemp played miserably this year when the Padres actually had hopes of staying in contention. Once their record became horrific, he started to hit. I'm usually not impressed when players put up numbers with no pressure. |
This is absolutely true.
If you go back and look at it, the stats he put up were pretty much meaningless as the season was already essentially over.
That may be a little harsh, but I think it is true. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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ChickenStu wrote: | Kemp played miserably this year when the Padres actually had hopes of staying in contention. Once their record became horrific, he started to hit. I'm usually not impressed when players put up numbers with no pressure. Also, his "defense" in the outfield continues to be a joke. That's a trade I would make 100 times out of 100. Just the financial relief alone made it worth it. |
I don't doubt his defense was bad but if you're looking to bash players who put up numbers with no pressure, look elsewhere. Kemp was batting .353 for us in the postseason and his surge was a big reason they made the playoffs last year. Not to mention he was battling injuries in the first half this year and is pretty much a 2nd half hitter anyways. _________________ http://media.giphy.com/media/zNyBPu5hEFpu/giphy.gif
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Erstad out of the running. _________________ 1996-2016
Thank you Kobe for giving 20 years of yourself to the Purple and Gold. We are forever indebted to your greatness.
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I want to see Oh Seung Hwan in Dodger blue.
With all the issues the bullpen seemed to have the past year, he'd be a really smart acquisition. Plus the familiarity with Ryu and LA's big Korean community will help ease the transition from NPB to the Majors.
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36th save vs Yakult Swallows
39th save vs Chuniichi Dragons
He's a RHP who's been primarily a closer all his career.
His signature pitches are a cut fastball and slider but occasionally will throw a change to fool batters. Concerns are that he's 33 and coming off a season ending surgery, but his body of work says he'll be an effective reliever in the league. Word is the Yankees are interested, but he'd be a great complement to Jansen in the 'pen.
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W: 32
L: 20
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ERA: 1.81
RAvg: 1.96
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GS: 0
GF: 498
CG: 0
SHO: 0
SV: 357
IP: 646.1
H: 403
R: 141
ER: 130
HR: 43
BB: 149
IBB: 13
SO: 772
HBP: 12
BK: 0
WP: 23
BF: 2479
WHIP : .854
H9: 5.6
HR9: 0.6
BB9: 2.1
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