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ChickenStu Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:04 am Post subject: |
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rwongega wrote: | ChickenStu wrote: | Kemp played miserably this year when the Padres actually had hopes of staying in contention. Once their record became horrific, he started to hit. I'm usually not impressed when players put up numbers with no pressure. Also, his "defense" in the outfield continues to be a joke. That's a trade I would make 100 times out of 100. Just the financial relief alone made it worth it. |
I don't doubt his defense was bad but if you're looking to bash players who put up numbers with no pressure, look elsewhere. Kemp was batting .353 for us in the postseason and his surge was a big reason they made the playoffs last year. Not to mention he was battling injuries in the first half this year and is pretty much a 2nd half hitter anyways. |
I was speaking specifically about the numbers he put up last year, which were empty numbers. I realize he was great for us down the stretch in 2014. Hanley was the best hitter in baseball for a time with us. Should we have given him more than $20MM a year for many years after that? Thank god we didn't extend him. My point is that Kemp is an extremely injury-risk player who has to hit awesome to be worth good value because he is a terrible fielder, who makes a lot of money for many more years and we were able to get out of 2/3 of his contract. It was a great trade for us. |
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Cutheon Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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stupid. 11 games does not a season make |
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ChickenStu Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Cutheon wrote: | stupid. 11 games does not a season make |
All 3 of them were worthy, though Greinke more than Kershaw in my opinion. |
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Dodgers split the votes. Sorry, but half a season of excellence is not better than a whole season. Zach was robbed. |
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ChickenStu Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:48 am Post subject: |
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DuncanIdaho wrote: | Dodgers split the votes. Sorry, but half a season of excellence is not better than a whole season. Zach was robbed. |
Look, let's be fair. It's not like Arrieta was a POS before the 13-start finish to the season. Greinke was more consistent, yes. And despite Zack's scoreless innings streak, you'd have to argue that Arrieta's peak this season was better. Zack had the very slight edge in ERA and WHIP, but it wasn't a runaway for Zack there. Arrieta had more strikeouts and their strikeout-to-walk ratios were nearly identical at 5 to 1 (Arrieta would've needed 1 less walk and he would've been percentage points over a 5 to 1 ratio). And although Zack led the league in ERA, Arrieta's FIP was better. Arrieta also led the league in fewest hits allowed per 9 innings and fewest HR allowed per 9 innings. Arrieta also pitches in a ballpark that is not exactly known as a pitcher's park, while Zack does (although it should be noted that Zack's ERA+ number was just slightly better than Arrieta).
What I'm trying to say is that it was extremely close. In the categories where Zack was better, he was just barely better. Personally, I think I would have voted for Zack. But whenever you have such a close argument, I've always said that you can always make the case for the person whose best (or whose peak) was better than the other person's. Nobody could touch Arrieta after the All-Star break. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:07 am Post subject: |
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ChickenStu wrote: | DuncanIdaho wrote: | Dodgers split the votes. Sorry, but half a season of excellence is not better than a whole season. Zach was robbed. |
Look, let's be fair. It's not like Arrieta was a POS before the 13-start finish to the season. Greinke was more consistent, yes. And despite Zack's scoreless innings streak, you'd have to argue that Arrieta's peak this season was better. Zack had the very slight edge in ERA and WHIP, but it wasn't a runaway for Zack there. Arrieta had more strikeouts and their strikeout-to-walk ratios were nearly identical at 5 to 1 (Arrieta would've needed 1 less walk and he would've been percentage points over a 5 to 1 ratio). And although Zack led the league in ERA, Arrieta's FIP was better. Arrieta also led the league in fewest hits allowed per 9 innings and fewest HR allowed per 9 innings. Arrieta also pitches in a ballpark that is not exactly known as a pitcher's park, while Zack does (although it should be noted that Zack's ERA+ number was just slightly better than Arrieta).
What I'm trying to say is that it was extremely close. In the categories where Zack was better, he was just barely better. Personally, I think I would have voted for Zack. But whenever you have such a close argument, I've always said that you can always make the case for the person whose best (or whose peak) was better than the other person's. Nobody could touch Arrieta after the All-Star break. |
If we want to talk about advanced stats there was no winner but Kershaw.
Yeah, I agree this isn't a situation like when Dickey robbed Kersh, though I do think the Cubs narrative and Dodgers fatigue played a part in the vote. It's just disappointing. You always want your guy to win and Zach was amazing the entire year. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:13 am Post subject: |
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i could care less about Cy Young or any of the individual accolades. name the damn manager already |
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rwongega Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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DuncanIdaho wrote: | ChickenStu wrote: | DuncanIdaho wrote: | Dodgers split the votes. Sorry, but half a season of excellence is not better than a whole season. Zach was robbed. |
Look, let's be fair. It's not like Arrieta was a POS before the 13-start finish to the season. Greinke was more consistent, yes. And despite Zack's scoreless innings streak, you'd have to argue that Arrieta's peak this season was better. Zack had the very slight edge in ERA and WHIP, but it wasn't a runaway for Zack there. Arrieta had more strikeouts and their strikeout-to-walk ratios were nearly identical at 5 to 1 (Arrieta would've needed 1 less walk and he would've been percentage points over a 5 to 1 ratio). And although Zack led the league in ERA, Arrieta's FIP was better. Arrieta also led the league in fewest hits allowed per 9 innings and fewest HR allowed per 9 innings. Arrieta also pitches in a ballpark that is not exactly known as a pitcher's park, while Zack does (although it should be noted that Zack's ERA+ number was just slightly better than Arrieta).
What I'm trying to say is that it was extremely close. In the categories where Zack was better, he was just barely better. Personally, I think I would have voted for Zack. But whenever you have such a close argument, I've always said that you can always make the case for the person whose best (or whose peak) was better than the other person's. Nobody could touch Arrieta after the All-Star break. |
If we want to talk about advanced stats there was no winner but Kershaw.
Yeah, I agree this isn't a situation like when Dickey robbed Kersh, though I do think the Cubs narrative and Dodgers fatigue played a part in the vote. It's just disappointing. You always want your guy to win and Zach was amazing the entire year. |
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SGV-Laker fan wrote: | i could care less about Cy Young or any of the individual accolades. name the damn manager already |
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Cutheon wrote: | stupid. 11 games does not a season make |
It made me very angry.
There is no justification for Greinke to have not won the Cy Young, He got jobbed.
I really hope he is back with the Dodgers next season, just pay the money I don't care I just want him in the rotation. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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LakerLanny wrote: | Cutheon wrote: | stupid. 11 games does not a season make |
It made me very angry.
There is no justification for Greinke to have not won the Cy Young, He got jobbed.
I really hope he is back with the Dodgers next season, just pay the money I don't care I just want him in the rotation. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Arietta won the Cy.
He deserved it without a doubt.
The only people I see complaining about it are Dodger fans.
Get over it. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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rwongega wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | Arietta won the Cy.
He deserved it without a doubt.
The only people I see complaining about it are Dodger fans.
Get over it. |
And if Zack won the Cy, Cubs fans will be complaining and we'd be the ones telling you to get over it. |
And yet he didn't. Nor would I be whining. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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rwongega wrote: | jonnybravo wrote: | LakerLanny wrote: | Cutheon wrote: | stupid. 11 games does not a season make |
It made me very angry.
There is no justification for Greinke to have not won the Cy Young, He got jobbed.
I really hope he is back with the Dodgers next season, just pay the money I don't care I just want him in the rotation. |
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While I do share your sentiments, I do think if Greinke doesn't come back it'll be absolutely worthwhile to splash that cash and invest in Otani (who's arguably Japan's biggest pitching prospect since Darvish). It's a risky move, but one that could pay dividends for years to come. I'll always remember the Dodgers for being pioneers when it comes to picking up Asian pitching prospects (Chan Ho, Nomo, Ishii, Saito, Kuroda, Ryu). It'll be nice to have a young stud (22) in the starting rotation that'll be a staple for years to come at Dodger Stadium.
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Two Predictions.
1. Grienke will not re-sign with Dodgers.
2. Puig will be traded. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | Two Predictions.
1. Grienke will not re-sign with Dodgers.
2. Puig will be traded. |
dear god, please let it happen, Puig in a package for Giancarlo Stanton, Stanton gets to go back to socal, and Puig gets to play in a market with huge Cuban population, only thing though, i don't think mattingly gonna endorse that trade |
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SGV-Laker fan wrote: | 32 wrote: | Two Predictions.
1. Grienke will not re-sign with Dodgers.
2. Puig will be traded. |
dear god, please let it happen, Puig in a package for Giancarlo Stanton, Stanton gets to go back to socal, and Puig gets to play in a market with huge Cuban population, only thing though, i don't think mattingly gonna endorse that trade |
Puig is not a trade chip that could bring back someone like Stanton either. Maybe when he first arrived on the scene and was playing a lot better he was closer to this, but now Puig is kinda overrated and has concerns not only about his attitude but his weight too. _________________ Lakers, Chargers, Dodgers, Arsenal FC.
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The rumor going around right now is Puig to Cleveland for a starting pitcher. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Greinke with the Dodgers:
51-15 with ERA's by season of 2.63, 2.71, 1.66
His record as we all know could be far better with even mediocre run support in many of his starts.
I would back up the Brinks Truck and just give him the money. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:53 am Post subject: |
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LakerLanny wrote: | Greinke with the Dodgers:
51-15 with ERA's by season of 2.63, 2.71, 1.66
His record as we all know could be far better with even mediocre run support in many of his starts.
I would back up the Brinks Truck and just give him the money. |
Yeah. I don't really care how much he asks for, just how many years. 5 years - whatever$$$$ he wants. |
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Moses wrote: | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | 32 wrote: | Two Predictions.
1. Grienke will not re-sign with Dodgers.
2. Puig will be traded. |
dear god, please let it happen, Puig in a package for Giancarlo Stanton, Stanton gets to go back to socal, and Puig gets to play in a market with huge Cuban population, only thing though, i don't think mattingly gonna endorse that trade |
Puig is not a trade chip that could bring back someone like Stanton either. Maybe when he first arrived on the scene and was playing a lot better he was closer to this, but now Puig is kinda overrated and has concerns not only about his attitude but his weight too. |
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