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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:17 am Post subject: By the Numbers: 2015-16 Los Angeles Lakers |
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Some notes from the T-Wolves game.
Offense By Play Type, PPP, Percentage of Overall Possessions Used
PnR Ball Handler...1.00 (23.5%)
Spot Up...............1.00 (14.3%)
Isolations............0.44 (13.4%)
Transition............0.75 (13.4%)
Post Up...............0.75 (6.7%)
Putbacks.............1.17 (5.0%)
Off Screen...........0.60 (4.2%)
PnR Big...............1.25 (3.4%)
Cut.....................0.50 (3.4%)
Handoff...............2.67 (2.5%)
Defense By Play Type, PPP, Percentage of Overall Possessions Used
PnR Ball Handler...1.06 (15.7%)
Spot Up...............0.71 (13.0%)
Isolation..............0.75 (11.1%)
Transition............1.55 (10.2%)
Off Screen...........1.18 (10.2%)
Post Up...............0.90 (9.3%)
PnR Big...............1.22 (8.3%)
Cut.....................1.33 (5.6%)
Handoff...............0.80 (4.6%)
Putbacks.............2.00 (2.8%)
What these numbers tell me is that we were even worse defensively than the final score indicated. We won't have many games this year where the other team gets 0.71 PPP on Spot Ups.
Other notes...
-The Lakers made 244 passes in the game, 29th in the league.
-The Lakers had 33 drives to the basket, 8th best in the league. Minnesota only had 19, tied for worst.
-The Lakers only passed the ball on 21.2% of our drives to the basket, 23rd best in the league.
-The Lakers only had 35 potential assists (shot off of a pass) in the game, 27th in the league.
-The Lakers only had 257 front court touches in the game, 29th in the league. Here is the breakdown of those touches.
Jordan Clarkson....48
Kobe Bryant.........34
D'Angelo Russell...31
Julius Randle........28
Lou Williams........26
Marcelo Huertas...25
Nick Young..........20
Roy Hibbert.........19
Ryan Kelly...........18
Brandon Bass........8
-Minnesota shot 64.7% on their shots around the rim. Hibbert surrendered 3 makes on the 4 shots around the rim with him contesting. |
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44TheLogo Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:18 am Post subject: |
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the isolation # is horrifying |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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The defensive numbers are very disheartening. |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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pio2u wrote: | The defensive numbers are very disheartening. |
Our transition defense/floor balance has been really bad since the preseason. This is easy to clean up, but we haven't done it. |
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cmonkee Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks GoldenThroat! Hope we see improvement in all areas throughout the season. |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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The number of times that Jordan Clarkson passed the ball to D'Angelo Russell. That play ended with Russell passing the ball back to Clarkson for a wide open corner 3. |
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Laker_Town Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | 1
The number of times that Jordan Clarkson passed the ball to D'Angelo Russell. That play ended with Russell passing the ball back to Clarkson for a wide open corner 3. |
Damn. Ill give you the ball but give it RIGHT back ya hear? |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | pio2u wrote: | The defensive numbers are very disheartening. |
Our transition defense/floor balance has been really bad since the preseason. This is easy to clean up, but we haven't done it. |
FYI:
Thanks for posting those numbers. |
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bonkers Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Kobe's USG dipped by like 2% today, down to 32.2% |
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A Mad Chinaman Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for providing the disturbing numbers that surely was worst in the Kings game
The MANY trials and tribulations of the painfully process of allowing DLO to learn how to run the show has indeed begun.
Without a PG to effectively set up the offense and at least stop easy penetrations to the paint - there will be many similar nights
When will DLO figure out that he is now playing in a man's game that requires him to "Man Up" (Byron's phrase)? Mistakes are acceptable, lack of edge and energy are not |
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fiendishoc Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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A Mad Chinaman wrote: | Thanks for providing the disturbing numbers that surely was worst in the Kings game
The MANY trials and tribulations of the painfully process of allowing DLO to learn how to run the show has indeed begun.
Without a PG to effectively set up the offense and at least stop easy penetrations to the paint - there will be many similar nights
When will DLO figure out that he is now playing in a man's game that requires him to "Man Up" (Byron's phrase)? Mistakes are acceptable, lack of edge and energy are not |
This game was in no way on DLO. Sadly, I think these comments reflect the narrative that Byron is trying to push. |
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Chronicle Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Any stat gurus know the number of consecutive games we have to lose before the Lakers will consider firing Byron? _________________ Kobe |
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yuurin98 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 2:53 am Post subject: |
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I'm not a stat guru but the number is going to be 5. |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:30 am Post subject: |
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I don't post this for the purpose of comparing two players, I post it for the purpose of comparing two teams that are both in the position of developing a rookie PG.
Minutes
Emmanuel Mudiay...64
D'Angelo Russell.....49
Frontcourt Touches
Emmanuel Mudiay...136
D'Angelo Russell.......65
Time of Possession
Emmanuel Mudiay...13:48
D'Angelo Russell...... 5:48
Usage Rate
Emmanuel Mudiay....31.4%
D'Angelo Russell......17.7% |
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fiendishoc Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:06 am Post subject: |
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^Yet their PER's are identical through 2 games. |
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anpherknee Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:07 am Post subject: |
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fiendishoc wrote: | ^Yet their PER's are identical through 2 games. |
I was just going to post that, get out of my brain sir |
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defense Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:56 am Post subject: |
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29th in defensive efficiency
25th in assist ratio
opposition points per game 122
opposition fg percentage .489
3 point fg .290 |
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Fastbreak32 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:14 am Post subject: |
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defense wrote: | 29th in defensive efficiency
25th in assist ratio
opposition points per game 122
opposition fg percentage .489
3 point fg .290 |
But why are we losing?? _________________ LeBron, AD, & _________. Stay tuned.
"...there was a time when the Israelites were wandering in the desert and all of a sudden, bread came down from heaven,” Pelinka said. “That’s kind of what today feels like for us to have KCP join.” |
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Fastbreak32 wrote: | defense wrote: | 29th in defensive efficiency
25th in assist ratio
opposition points per game 122
opposition fg percentage .489
3 point fg .290 |
But why are we losing?? |
We aren't manning up! |
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Laker_Dynasty_01 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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fiendishoc wrote: | ^Yet their PER's are identical through 2 games. |
Though DLo's stats are mostly from garbage time vs the Kings, which started around the 5:00 mark of the first quarter.
Russell is struggling defensively as well, keeping him off the floor for long stretches, so it is hard to get a read on him. Mudiay is the more experienced and NBA-ready right now but Russell has craftiness and versatility, and the tools to be a great shooter. The pick was made with 5-10 years in mind(and insurance against Clarkson leaving/being traded). |
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fiendishoc Star Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | ^Yet their PER's are identical through 2 games. |
Though DLo's stats are mostly from garbage time vs the Kings, which started around the 5:00 mark of the first quarter.
Russell is struggling defensively as well, keeping him off the floor for long stretches, so it is hard to get a read on him. Mudiay is the more experienced and NBA-ready right now but Russell has craftiness and versatility, and the tools to be a great shooter. The pick was made with 5-10 years in mind(and insurance against Clarkson leaving/being traded). |
He scored 5 pts with 1 assist in the 4th quarter of that game. How is that mostly? What's the rush to stack the deck against our player? Mudiay had 8 points 2 rebounds and 1 assist in the 4th quarter of a game they won by 20, and then 3 points in a game they lost by 17 while not turning the ball over at his usual ridiculous rate, but you're not taking it away from him. |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:52 am Post subject: |
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This where the Lakers rank in Play Type frequency, according to nba.com. One important thing to note is that this measures how plays are used. For example, if Clarkson & Hibbert run a pick & roll and Clarkson hits Kobe for a spot up 3-pointer, it's counted as a spot up attempt, even though the Lakers ran a PnR. I'm looking for a place to get more raw Play Type stats, but I haven't found it yet. With that said...
Pick & Roll Ball Handler...22.4% (4th)
Transition.....................15.5% (10th)
Spot Up........................13.4% (29th)
Isolation.......................11.7% (T-2nd)
Post Up..........................5.4% (T-25th)
Pick & Roll Big Man..........5.0% (T-22nd)
Hand Offs.......................4.6% (13th)
Putbacks........................4.6% (18th)
Off Screens.....................4.2% (T-18th)
Cuts..............................3.8% (T-29th)
Three things stand out to me.
1) How many shots the ball handler gets out of the PnR. This is normally a pretty inefficient shot across the league (0.82 PPP is league average), but we're decent at it (0.94 PPP). The main reason for that is Jordan Clarkson, who has the most possessions used as the PnR ball handler, and has a blistering PPP of 1.36 out of it, ranking him 3rd in the NBA in these scenarios so far, behind Steph Curry & CJ McCollum.
2) How few of our 3 point attempts are spot up attempts. Despite the fact that we're leading the league in 3-point attempts by a healthy margin (34.5 per game...next closest is at 29.5), we're second to last in the league in spot up shooting frequency. That is pretty incredible from a statistical standpoint. This speaks to the volume to 3 pointers that are being put up in isolation and off of the dribble. These are bad shots.
3) No surprise that we're tied for last place in the league in cut frequency. This speaks to the lack of player movement that we have, and almost all of it is directed toward the perimeter when we do. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | This where the Lakers rank in Play Type frequency, according to nba.com. One important thing to note is that this measures how plays are used. For example, if Clarkson & Hibbert run a pick & roll and Clarkson hits Kobe for a spot up 3-pointer, it's counted as a spot up attempt, even though the Lakers ran a PnR. I'm looking for a place to get more raw Play Type stats, but I haven't found it yet. With that said...
Pick & Roll Ball Handler...22.4% (4th)
Transition.....................15.5% (10th)
Spot Up........................13.4% (29th)
Isolation.......................11.7% (T-2nd)
Post Up..........................5.4% (T-25th)
Pick & Roll Big Man..........5.0% (T-22nd)
Hand Offs.......................4.6% (13th)
Putbacks........................4.6% (18th)
Off Screens.....................4.2% (T-18th)
Cuts..............................3.8% (T-29th)
Three things stand out to me.
1) How many shots the ball handler gets out of the PnR. This is normally a pretty inefficient shot across the league (0.82 PPP is league average), but we're decent at it (0.94 PPP). The main reason for that is Jordan Clarkson, who has the most possessions used as the PnR ball handler, and has a blistering PPP of 1.36 out of it, ranking him 3rd in the NBA in these scenarios so far, behind Steph Curry & CJ McCollum.
2) How few of our 3 point attempts are spot up attempts. Despite the fact that we're leading the league in 3-point attempts by a healthy margin (34.5 per game...next closest is at 29.5), we're second to last in the league in spot up shooting frequency. That is pretty incredible from a statistical standpoint. This speaks to the volume to 3 pointers that are being put up in isolation and off of the dribble. These are bad shots.
3) No surprise that we're tied for last place in the league in cut frequency. This speaks to the lack of player movement that we have, and almost all of it is directed toward the perimeter when we do. |
Pretty good insight GT. It tells me that the players have a lot of work to do and that the coaches have got to COACH..
However I am pleased with Clarkson's 1.36 PPP. |
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DancingBarry Editor-in-Chief
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the kicker on the iso's... tied for second with most usage, but dead last in scoring frequency out of those. Also second to last place on eFG% on iso's.
On the other side of the floor, last place in Opponent Turnover Ratio. By a good margin. So at least we aren't defending well, either. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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We're 30th in OPPG, 23rd in Rebounds, 26th in assists.
Taking a deeper look, we're 30th in DRTG, 25th in OP eFG%, 30th in points off turnovers, 24th in points in the paint, 27th in OP points off turnovers, 28th in OP second chance points, 26th in OP fastbreak points, 30th in OP points in the paint. |
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