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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:48 am    Post subject:

Why do the Suns need Booker when they already have Bledsoe?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:49 am    Post subject:

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Haven't been keeping up, what's people's All-Rookie First Teams?

Okafor hasn't played, DLO has been terrible the past few games.

Towns, Porzingis, Booker are locks? Jokic?


I think KAT, Porzingis, Jokic and Okafor should be locked in.

Then you have Dlo, Turner, WCS, Booker ...

I still have Dlo 4th, but he is falling on the charts quickly. Stats don't tell the whole history, but they don't lie. I hope there will be no more chicken legs starting next season because they can't hold it for a 82 games season long.


Top 5 leading rookie scorers are going All Rookie team. Okafor's 53 games played might be iffy... but he'll get the media vote along with the other 4 that'll get the media vote.... and they go straight off ppg more or less because they're lazy rats...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:04 am    Post subject:

Not sure why a player who missed 30 games should be on an all rookie team. A real disservice to the other rookies who stayed healthy and played more games.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:22 am    Post subject:

My bad, voting is done by coaches, not the media. Should be interesting to see how they look at the 53 games. I think the guys playing 90% of the season are going to get the go ahead especially the ones with standout performances.

Kat
Porzingis
DLo
Booker

Winslow/Mudiay/Okafor/Jokic/Turner should be interesting to see who rounds it out.

In case of a tie for 5th/6th, they expand the list allowing the 6th to be All Rookie.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:23 am    Post subject:

I can't remember the last time a player made 1st team all Rookie will missing that many games.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:28 am    Post subject:

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I can't remember the last time a player made 1st team all Rookie will missing that many games.


There was Kyrie and Rubio... I think Kyrie had 50 something games and Rubio in the 40's.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:31 am    Post subject:

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I can't remember the last time a player made 1st team all Rookie will missing that many games.


There was Kyrie and Rubio... I think Kyrie had 50 something games and Rubio in the 40's.


Oh, interesting, you're right. 51 and 57 games.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:55 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
I can't remember the last time a player made 1st team all Rookie will missing that many games.


There are not 4 rookies with better production and I think he had enough minutes to qualify. It's not like a rookie playing 18 mpg over 50 games.

He is the best /36 scorer of his class, I really can't see him out.

Prozingis and KAT are locked.

Jokic deserves it, just KAT has better stats and not by far. This guy is legit and is producing all the year, just had to do it in limited minutes early, but his production has been steady with more minutes and he has a better ast/to ratio than a lot of players called PG.

Those 4 are so much ahead of everybody else, production wise guys can fight for the 5th spot.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:01 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
I can't remember the last time a player made 1st team all Rookie will missing that many games.


Brandon Roy won the ROTY while missing quite a few games, IIRC.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:10 am    Post subject:

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Why do the Suns need Booker when they already have Bledsoe?


Because Bledsoe plays 40 games a season.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:24 am    Post subject:

So locks are: KAT/Porky

Next 3 likely: Oak/DLO/Jokic

In the mix: Mudiay/Booker/Turner

So maybe:

1st team:

KAT/Porky/Oak/DLO/Jokic

2nd team:

Mudiay/Booker/Winslow/Turner/ Lyles or Stanley Johnson?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:32 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
So locks are: KAT/Porky

Next 3 likely: Oak/DLO/Jokic

In the mix: Mudiay/Booker/Turner

So maybe:

1st team:

KAT/Porky/Oak/DLO/Jokic

2nd team:

Mudiay/Booker/Winslow/Turner/ Lyles or Stanley Johnson?


Why isn't Booker a lock?

I love Jokic offensively, but defensively
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:38 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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Why do the Suns need Booker when they already have Bledsoe?


Because Bledsoe plays 40 games a season.


And Booker is a SG.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:40 am    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
So locks are: KAT/Porky

Next 3 likely: Oak/DLO/Jokic

In the mix: Mudiay/Booker/Turner

So maybe:

1st team:

KAT/Porky/Oak/DLO/Jokic

2nd team:

Mudiay/Booker/Winslow/Turner/ Lyles or Stanley Johnson?


Why isn't Booker a lock?

I love Jokic offensively, but defensively


I could live with swapping them. Maybe Jokic just doesn't get enough national publicity.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:41 am    Post subject:

I think Booker will get 1st team over DLO.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:45 am    Post subject:

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I think Booker will get 1st team over DLO.


So DLO to 2nd team?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:32 am    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
Why do the Suns need Booker when they already have Bledsoe?


Better question.

Why do the Suns need Bledsoe, when they already have Booker?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:25 pm    Post subject:

Pretty simple for me for the rookie team.

C Okafor
F Towns
F Porzingis
G Booker
G Russell

Actually love that team. 5 future all-stars there, IMO. Booker looks like Klay 2.0. Russell will be a stud in 2 years. Okafor's got some issues but in the right situation, I think at worst he'll be a Z-BO level all-star. Towns is unbelievably consistent and good, going to be a great player to build around. Hardest guy to call is KP, can't say how good he can be, but I think at least a Kirilenko/Marion hybrid type.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:40 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
So locks are: KAT/Porky

Next 3 likely: Oak/DLO/Jokic

In the mix: Mudiay/Booker/Turner

So maybe:

1st team:

KAT/Porky/Oak/DLO/Jokic

2nd team:

Mudiay/Booker/Winslow/Turner/ Lyles or Stanley Johnson?


Why isn't Booker a lock?

I love Jokic offensively, but defensively


He has better overall numbers per 36 than Porzingis and after KAT and Porzingis, who plays any defense?

If you ask me about upside I like Booker better, he is even closing the gap for best guard of the class, but Jokic has an outstanding PER, better BPM than Towns, better assist numbers than Dlo, better rebound numbers than Okafor, he should be a lock, but he lacks on the "hype" stat
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:46 pm    Post subject:

nash wrote:
kikanga wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
So locks are: KAT/Porky

Next 3 likely: Oak/DLO/Jokic

In the mix: Mudiay/Booker/Turner

So maybe:

1st team:

KAT/Porky/Oak/DLO/Jokic

2nd team:

Mudiay/Booker/Winslow/Turner/ Lyles or Stanley Johnson?


Why isn't Booker a lock?

I love Jokic offensively, but defensively


He has better overall numbers per 36 than Porzingis and after KAT and Porzingis, who plays any defense?

If you ask me about upside I like Booker better, he is even closing the gap for best guard of the class, but Jokic has an outstanding PER, better BPM than Towns, better assist numbers than Dlo, better rebound numbers than Okafor, he should be a lock, but he lacks on the "hype" stat


I've watched him all season long.
He's a turnstile defensively. And has a knack for racking up stupid off-ball fouls.
He's very efficient offensively though. I have no problem if he makes the all rookie 1st team. But I'll understand if he doesn't.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:28 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
So locks are: KAT/Porky

Next 3 likely: Oak/DLO/Jokic

In the mix: Mudiay/Booker/Turner

So maybe:

1st team:

KAT/Porky/Oak/DLO/Jokic

2nd team:

Mudiay/Booker/Winslow/Turner/ Lyles or Stanley Johnson?


Why isn't Booker a lock?

I love Jokic offensively, but defensively


I could live with swapping them. Maybe Jokic just doesn't get enough national publicity.


Jokic is averaging 9.8 pts and 7.8 rebs in 21 mpg on a team that headlines Mudiay as a their featured rookie. Jokic is basically the Larry Nance on that team in regards to recognition around the league other then their own fanbase.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:29 pm    Post subject:

wolfpaclaker wrote:
Pretty simple for me for the rookie team.

C Okafor
F Towns
F Porzingis
G Booker
G Russell

Actually love that team. 5 future all-stars there, IMO. Booker looks like Klay 2.0. Russell will be a stud in 2 years. Okafor's got some issues but in the right situation, I think at worst he'll be a Z-BO level all-star. Towns is unbelievably consistent and good, going to be a great player to build around. Hardest guy to call is KP, can't say how good he can be, but I think at least a Kirilenko/Marion hybrid type.


Yup. Pretty much.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:31 pm    Post subject:

Mudiay
Winslow
Stanley
Jokic
Turner

for 2nd team. I'm curious about how Winslow's voting is going to go down. He's played good minutes and is 'Marcus Smart' impactful out there and Smart got a lot of votes and was considered 1st team before finally voted 2nd last year. Winslow's in a similar situation I feel.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:57 am    Post subject:

wolfpaclaker wrote:
Pretty simple for me for the rookie team.

C Okafor
F Towns
F Porzingis
G Booker
G Russell

Actually love that team. 5 future all-stars there, IMO. Booker looks like Klay 2.0. Russell will be a stud in 2 years. Okafor's got some issues but in the right situation, I think at worst he'll be a Z-BO level all-star. Towns is unbelievably consistent and good, going to be a great player to build around. Hardest guy to call is KP, can't say how good he can be, but I think at least a Kirilenko/Marion hybrid type.


The only thing Booker and Klay have in common is that they are light-skinned and have a beautiful jumper.

Booker plays a lot more like Brandon Roy/James Harden. He is among league leaders at getting to the rim and he is a great passer for a shooting guard.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:59 am    Post subject:

nash wrote:


He has better overall numbers per 36 than Porzingis and after KAT and Porzingis, who plays any defense?

If you ask me about upside I like Booker better, he is even closing the gap for best guard of the class, but Jokic has an outstanding PER, better BPM than Towns, better assist numbers than Dlo, better rebound numbers than Okafor, he should be a lock, but he lacks on the "hype" stat


If you put down the Lakers glasses, there really is not any discussion about who the best guard in this class is, easily Booker.
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