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adkindo
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I agree that Byron's in game coaching is bad...it seems like he is unable to even do the simple things like decipher that did not work previously, I will not do that in the future. I think Byron thinks it is about "Byron", and there is little chance of any substantial improvement........still, the fact that almost every single player is playing poorly, and many even appear to lack effort. I am still waiting for a single player that can play on the ball defense for more than a single second without getting left in the dust. At some point as a player, you just have to "refuse to lose" or at least refuse to get embarrassed....or as someone once said, "man up".
Not covering for Byron....I agree with most of the criticism, but our poor play is beyond Byron. |
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We'll be competing with 76ers for #30th spot.
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| foshowtime wrote: | | ppineda wrote: | | foshowtime wrote: | | xenojoey wrote: | | foshowtime wrote: | | Chad09 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | xenojoey wrote: | | I bet it's even hard for the hardcore Kobe fans to defend his play this season |
I am a long time Kobe fan, but father time is unbeaten. Believe me, I know, it has been kicking my ass for a decade |
Jordan kicked father time ass. |
Wizards... anyone?! |
Two years on the Wizards Jordan had
20 ppg. 5.7 rpg. 5.2 apg. 42% fg
30.1 ppg. 6.1 rpg. 5.3 apg. 45% fg |
Much less effective player than he was on the Bulls. |
They'd what happens when you are 40 and playing on a crappy team. Who else were on those wizards teams? It is pretty amazing what MJ did there. 30ppg on 45%. I knew he played well, I didn't realize it was that good |
Thats what happens when youre 40 that sentence assumes that you decline with age which is the point of Father Time is undefeated |
This is not a Father Time thing. It's a torn achilles thing. |
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| foshowtime wrote: | | ppineda wrote: | | foshowtime wrote: | | xenojoey wrote: | | foshowtime wrote: | | Chad09 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | xenojoey wrote: | | I bet it's even hard for the hardcore Kobe fans to defend his play this season |
I am a long time Kobe fan, but father time is unbeaten. Believe me, I know, it has been kicking my ass for a decade |
Jordan kicked father time ass. |
Wizards... anyone?! |
Two years on the Wizards Jordan had
20 ppg. 5.7 rpg. 5.2 apg. 42% fg
30.1 ppg. 6.1 rpg. 5.3 apg. 45% fg |
Much less effective player than he was on the Bulls. |
They'd what happens when you are 40 and playing on a crappy team. Who else were on those wizards teams? It is pretty amazing what MJ did there. 30ppg on 45%. I knew he played well, I didn't realize it was that good |
Thats what happens when youre 40 that sentence assumes that you decline with age which is the point of Father Time is undefeated |
Jordan never averaged 30.1 points as a Wizard...
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/1035/michael-jordan
In any event, Kobe's facing the dual obstacles of age and the Achilles. Both at once is insurmountable. Add to that the litany of follow up injuries and there you have it. |
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All aboard the Tank train...
Then sign Whiteside and Durant....
Whiteside and Randle have me fantasizing.... |
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HumanVictoryCigar
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| adkindo wrote: | I agree that Byron's in game coaching is bad...it seems like he is unable to even do the simple things like decipher that did not work previously, I will not do that in the future. I think Byron thinks it is about "Byron", and there is little chance of any substantial improvement........still, the fact that almost every single player is playing poorly, and many even appear to lack effort. I am still waiting for a single player that can play on the ball defense for more than a single second without getting left in the dust. At some point as a player, you just have to "refuse to lose" or at least refuse to get embarrassed....or as someone once said, "man up".
Not covering for Byron....I agree with most of the criticism, but our poor play is beyond Byron. |
there's no offensive system, of course the players are disaffected, that's a direct result of Byron Scott's coaching or really lack thereof. They would give more effort if they saw some result coming from that but clearly, they don't see it |
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adkindo
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| as bad as it feels to be a Laker fan tonight, it could be worse. #Mets_Fan |
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| adkindo wrote: | ...the fact that almost every single player is playing poorly, and many even appear to lack effort. I am still waiting for a single player that can play on the ball defense for more than a single second without getting left in the dust. At some point as a player, you just have to "refuse to lose" or at least refuse to get embarrassed....or as someone once said, "man up".
Not covering for Byron....I agree with most of the criticism, but our poor play is beyond Byron. |
Completely agree with this.
Byron is Byron, he isn't going to suddenly become John Wooden or Phil Jackson or even Jason Kidd.
The problem right now on this team is two things.
1. A completely mismatched roster. The pieces don't fit and they are missing key components like perimeter players who can penetrate the defense, defense of any kind and reliable outside shooting.
2. Coaching. It is bad as it seems there is no plan and no accountability for poor play. I would be happy to see MWP active for the next game and say Sacre not active.
We need guys who will compete defensively. Malibu parties, commercials and millions of dollars is great, but in LA it will go away fast if you can't bring it on the court.
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| adkindo wrote: | I agree that Byron's in game coaching is bad...it seems like he is unable to even do the simple things like decipher that did not work previously, I will not do that in the future. I think Byron thinks it is about "Byron", and there is little chance of any substantial improvement........still, the fact that almost every single player is playing poorly, and many even appear to lack effort. I am still waiting for a single player that can play on the ball defense for more than a single second without getting left in the dust. At some point as a player, you just have to "refuse to lose" or at least refuse to get embarrassed....or as someone once said, "man up".
Not covering for Byron....I agree with most of the criticism, but our poor play is beyond Byron. |
Disagree. You can have all the effort in the world, but it won't equate to achievement. There has to be schemes, there has to be a philosophy. Thibs in Chicago had sub-average defensive players in Rip Hamilton, MDJ and Carlos Boozer, yet had one of the top defenses year in and year out. Also, with the way Byron runs his practices, it wouldn't surprise me if the effort simply cannot be sustained anyway. |
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adkindo
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| HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | I agree that Byron's in game coaching is bad...it seems like he is unable to even do the simple things like decipher that did not work previously, I will not do that in the future. I think Byron thinks it is about "Byron", and there is little chance of any substantial improvement........still, the fact that almost every single player is playing poorly, and many even appear to lack effort. I am still waiting for a single player that can play on the ball defense for more than a single second without getting left in the dust. At some point as a player, you just have to "refuse to lose" or at least refuse to get embarrassed....or as someone once said, "man up".
Not covering for Byron....I agree with most of the criticism, but our poor play is beyond Byron. |
there's no offensive system, of course the players are disaffected, that's a direct result of Byron Scott's coaching or really lack thereof. They would give more effort if they saw some result coming from that but clearly, they don't see it |
maybe...I am not saying that sarcastically. I would rather see some flashes of defensive effort to reinforce my hope in that theory. |
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Any can't miss quotes from Dumbass yet?
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HumanVictoryCigar
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| adkindo wrote: | | HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | I agree that Byron's in game coaching is bad...it seems like he is unable to even do the simple things like decipher that did not work previously, I will not do that in the future. I think Byron thinks it is about "Byron", and there is little chance of any substantial improvement........still, the fact that almost every single player is playing poorly, and many even appear to lack effort. I am still waiting for a single player that can play on the ball defense for more than a single second without getting left in the dust. At some point as a player, you just have to "refuse to lose" or at least refuse to get embarrassed....or as someone once said, "man up".
Not covering for Byron....I agree with most of the criticism, but our poor play is beyond Byron. |
there's no offensive system, of course the players are disaffected, that's a direct result of Byron Scott's coaching or really lack thereof. They would give more effort if they saw some result coming from that but clearly, they don't see it |
maybe...I am not saying that sarcastically. I would rather see some flashes of defensive effort to reinforce my hope in that theory. |
yeah, I'm saying they are young players, young players like offense. If there was more involvement, where guys were touching the ball more on offense, setting picks, getting slapped 5 by somebody after setting that pick they would put more effort in on defense. The only guy we have right now that is a defensive specialist is Hibbert, the rest of the guys need to be involved in the offense or they go to sleep out there. |
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| defense wrote: | | Clarkson looks like hes going to kill puppies |
He should be frustrated. He rarely touched the ball and was left on the bench for a guy shooting 3-15. Randle had a great game but Clarkson is still the best player on the team. That should never happen. |
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Rivershow
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| bonkers wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | I agree that Byron's in game coaching is bad...it seems like he is unable to even do the simple things like decipher that did not work previously, I will not do that in the future. I think Byron thinks it is about "Byron", and there is little chance of any substantial improvement........still, the fact that almost every single player is playing poorly, and many even appear to lack effort. I am still waiting for a single player that can play on the ball defense for more than a single second without getting left in the dust. At some point as a player, you just have to "refuse to lose" or at least refuse to get embarrassed....or as someone once said, "man up".
Not covering for Byron....I agree with most of the criticism, but our poor play is beyond Byron. |
Disagree. You can have all the effort in the world, but it won't equate to achievement. There has to be schemes, there has to be a philosophy. Thibs in Chicago had sub-average defensive players in Rip Hamilton, MDJ and Carlos Boozer, yet had one of the top defenses year in and year out. Also, with the way Byron runs his practices, it wouldn't surprise me if the effort simply cannot be sustained anyway. |
Agreed. Saying players can't do it because of effort sounds like Byron talk. A well coached team doesn't make those mistakes. Byron has a history of being a poor defensive mind even though that's what he advertises as his strength. |
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| foshowtime wrote: | | Chad09 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | xenojoey wrote: | | I bet it's even hard for the hardcore Kobe fans to defend his play this season |
I am a long time Kobe fan, but father time is unbeaten. Believe me, I know, it has been kicking my ass for a decade |
Jordan kicked father time ass. |
Wizards... anyone?! |
He was still very good on the Wizards. The biggest complaint about his Wizards days was that he had went out on such a high note and he spoiled that to come back at not such a high level on a team that was going nowhere. Now people talk about it like he was out there with a walker and couldn't make a shot. |
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| DD20045 wrote: | All aboard the Tank train...
Then sign Whiteside and Durant....
Whiteside and Randle have me fantasizing.... |
Lol why if we keep playing like this why in the world would durant come to this dumpster fire? If we keep playing like this we'll be lucky to get quincy acy. |
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| Treble Clef wrote: | | foshowtime wrote: | | Chad09 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | xenojoey wrote: | | I bet it's even hard for the hardcore Kobe fans to defend his play this season |
I am a long time Kobe fan, but father time is unbeaten. Believe me, I know, it has been kicking my ass for a decade |
Jordan kicked father time ass. |
Wizards... anyone?! |
He was still very good on the Wizards. The biggest complaint about his Wizards days was that he had went out on such a high note and he spoiled that to come back at not such a high level on a team that was going nowhere. Now people talk about it like he was out there with a walker and couldn't make a shot. |
Wizards Jordan was among the 2-3 most inefficient 20+ point scorers in history. Look at his TS% numbers. He wasn't "very good" at all. |
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| DD20045 wrote: | All aboard the Tank train...
Then sign Whiteside and Durant....
Whiteside and Randle have me fantasizing.... |
You must be joking if you think any stars will be coming to this Lakers team. |
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| Rivershow wrote: | | DD20045 wrote: | All aboard the Tank train...
Then sign Whiteside and Durant....
Whiteside and Randle have me fantasizing.... |
You must be joking if you think any stars will be coming to this Lakers team. |
Two max players + Randle, Clarkson and Russell would make this team a legitimate playoff threat. Not sure why you think stars wouldn't consider the Lakers. Well I know why you would based on the past few summers, but I think this summer, we end up in a different, better basketball place than prior years in attracting FAs (there's some youth movement and focus around that as opposed to "Will Kobe let me play vs not" and "Will they actually talk about basketball instead of just the Hollywood scene.") |
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| lakez34 wrote: | | Rivershow wrote: | | DD20045 wrote: | All aboard the Tank train...
Then sign Whiteside and Durant....
Whiteside and Randle have me fantasizing.... |
You must be joking if you think any stars will be coming to this Lakers team. |
Two max players + Randle, Clarkson and Russell would make this team a legitimate playoff threat. Not sure why you think stars wouldn't consider the Lakers. Well I know why you would based on the past few summers, but I think this summer, we end up in a different, better basketball place than prior years in attracting FAs (there's some youth movement and focus around that as opposed to "Will Kobe let me play vs not" and "Will they actually talk about basketball instead of just the Hollywood scene.") |
Who is coaching? No sane NBA player would want to play for BS!
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| yaloomine wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | foshowtime wrote: | | Chad09 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | xenojoey wrote: | | I bet it's even hard for the hardcore Kobe fans to defend his play this season |
I am a long time Kobe fan, but father time is unbeaten. Believe me, I know, it has been kicking my ass for a decade |
Jordan kicked father time ass. |
Wizards... anyone?! |
He was still very good on the Wizards. The biggest complaint about his Wizards days was that he had went out on such a high note and he spoiled that to come back at not such a high level on a team that was going nowhere. Now people talk about it like he was out there with a walker and couldn't make a shot. |
Wizards Jordan was among the 2-3 most inefficient 20+ point scorers in history. Look at his TS% numbers. He wasn't "very good" at all. |
If Kobe was putting up those numbers right now, people would be ecstatic. |
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| yaloomine wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | foshowtime wrote: | | Chad09 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | xenojoey wrote: | | I bet it's even hard for the hardcore Kobe fans to defend his play this season |
I am a long time Kobe fan, but father time is unbeaten. Believe me, I know, it has been kicking my ass for a decade |
Jordan kicked father time ass. |
Wizards... anyone?! |
He was still very good on the Wizards. The biggest complaint about his Wizards days was that he had went out on such a high note and he spoiled that to come back at not such a high level on a team that was going nowhere. Now people talk about it like he was out there with a walker and couldn't make a shot. |
Wizards Jordan was among the 2-3 most inefficient 20+ point scorers in history. Look at his TS% numbers. He wasn't "very good" at all. |
If Kobe was putting up those numbers right now, people would be ecstatic. |
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Chad09
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| Treble Clef wrote: | | yaloomine wrote: | | Treble Clef wrote: | | foshowtime wrote: | | Chad09 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | xenojoey wrote: | | I bet it's even hard for the hardcore Kobe fans to defend his play this season |
I am a long time Kobe fan, but father time is unbeaten. Believe me, I know, it has been kicking my ass for a decade |
Jordan kicked father time ass. |
Wizards... anyone?! |
He was still very good on the Wizards. The biggest complaint about his Wizards days was that he had went out on such a high note and he spoiled that to come back at not such a high level on a team that was going nowhere. Now people talk about it like he was out there with a walker and couldn't make a shot. |
Wizards Jordan was among the 2-3 most inefficient 20+ point scorers in history. Look at his TS% numbers. He wasn't "very good" at all. |
If Kobe was putting up those numbers right now, people would be ecstatic. |
Jordan was playing with one of the worst rosters ever. Players keyed in on him because he was Jordan. Who cares about these TS% numbers. It's just a way to talk down on him. He was 40 and putting up amazing stats.
Jordan is also the only player to score 40+ at age 40 or older.
39/40.
In his final season, Jordan scored 40+ 3 times, 30+ 9 times and 20+ 42 times. |
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| Haha, I'm from Hongkong. It's 10:30pm here now. I'm watching Lakers game today. It's the first time I can watch a Lakers game this season... |
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