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KeepItRealOrElse
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| 22 wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Very good point that "he might have to become a defensive rebounding machine if he wants more offensive touches" , hadn't thought if it that way but - him pushing the ball is one of his best ways to do something productive. Maybe there should be more kick-aheads to Randle in semi-transition. |
does Coach Scott know what semi transition is? I only ever see this team walk the ball up court or in all fast break mode due to a turnover.
His pace is so slow in his turtle offense |
ha pretty much man. its literally the worst most stagnant offense I've ever seen |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| 22 wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Very good point that "he might have to become a defensive rebounding machine if he wants more offensive touches" , hadn't thought if it that way but - him pushing the ball is one of his best ways to do something productive. Maybe there should be more kick-aheads to Randle in semi-transition. |
does Coach Scott know what semi transition is? I only ever see this team walk the ball up court or in all fast break mode due to a turnover.
His pace is so slow in his turtle offense |
Confused on how Byron is able to control the pace on any play
Guards need to utilize their own basketball IQ and skill sets to their advantage - basically play basketball, play with your head always up and push to the ball to force mismatches |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Very good point that "he might have to become a defensive rebounding machine if he wants more offensive touches" , hadn't thought if it that way but - him pushing the ball is one of his best ways to do something productive. Maybe there should be more kick-aheads to Randle in semi-transition. |
does Coach Scott know what semi transition is? I only ever see this team walk the ball up court or in all fast break mode due to a turnover.
His pace is so slow in his turtle offense |
Confused on how Byron is able to control the pace on any play
Guards need to utilize their own basketball IQ and skill sets to their advantage - basically play basketball, play with your head always up and push to the ball to force mismatches |
The coach controls the pace by the system he employs and the direction he gives the players. Remember when D'antoni used to run 7 seconds or less? He was controlling the pace. That one international coach who used a system called 40 minutes of hell where he would press the full game? Another way to dictate pace.
Our "Princeton" sets are slow developing and they pretty much force us to run a slower pace to properly go thru the sets. Check fiend's last few posts in the X and O thread. He highlights beautifully. For example, there are some sets where the guards have to wait for Hibbert to set up first. Obviously you cannot push the pace in those situations. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Very good point that "he might have to become a defensive rebounding machine if he wants more offensive touches" , hadn't thought if it that way but - him pushing the ball is one of his best ways to do something productive. Maybe there should be more kick-aheads to Randle in semi-transition. |
Excellent points.
Randle's strength is putting defenders and entire defenses on their heels. In the half court, cleared out sets, they just pack the paint and negate a lot of his advantages.
I absolutely love the idea of getting the ball ahead to him in semi-transition. It'll open up easy 3's for the trailers at worst.
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KeepItRealOrElse
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Very good point that "he might have to become a defensive rebounding machine if he wants more offensive touches" , hadn't thought if it that way but - him pushing the ball is one of his best ways to do something productive. Maybe there should be more kick-aheads to Randle in semi-transition. |
Excellent points.
Randle's strength is putting defenders and entire defenses on their heels. In the half court, cleared out sets, they just pack the paint and negate a lot of his advantages.
I absolutely love the idea of getting the ball ahead to him in semi-transition. It'll open up easy 3's for the trailers at worst. |
he showed in the Preseason that that's a great ability of his. He's a willing passer in semi-transition. Also a willing screener in semi-T , and the screens really work there bcuz it catches the defender off guard. |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| 22 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Very good point that "he might have to become a defensive rebounding machine if he wants more offensive touches" , hadn't thought if it that way but - him pushing the ball is one of his best ways to do something productive. Maybe there should be more kick-aheads to Randle in semi-transition. |
does Coach Scott know what semi transition is? I only ever see this team walk the ball up court or in all fast break mode due to a turnover.
His pace is so slow in his turtle offense |
Confused on how Byron is able to control the pace on any play
Guards need to utilize their own basketball IQ and skill sets to their advantage - basically play basketball, play with your head always up and push to the ball to force mismatches |
The coach controls the pace by the system he employs and the direction he gives the players. Remember when D'antoni used to run 7 seconds or less? He was controlling the pace. That one international coach who used a system called 40 minutes of hell where he would press the full game? Another way to dictate pace.
Our "Princeton" sets are slow developing and they pretty much force us to run a slower pace to properly go thru the sets. Check fiend's last few posts in the X and O thread. He highlights beautifully. For example, there are some sets where the guards have to wait for Hibbert to set up first. Obviously you cannot push the pace in those situations. |
Fiend's posts are invaluable and applicable once they are into their sets
As the Shaq/Mailman/Glove/Black Mamba/DFish has shown when they were healthy, one can always push the pace to force mismatches prior to running the system (Triangle with this Zen Master-coached team). Mailman and Glove played the needed D to get run outs for easy transition offense.
Princeton Offense has worked, with various winning teams
When players are not always moving with a purpose, nothing positive will happen in any system - even the Spurs and Warriors' sets
When Huerstas is playing, the offense flows better and he doesn't know that system well |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Very good point that "he might have to become a defensive rebounding machine if he wants more offensive touches" , hadn't thought if it that way but - him pushing the ball is one of his best ways to do something productive. Maybe there should be more kick-aheads to Randle in semi-transition. |
does Coach Scott know what semi transition is? I only ever see this team walk the ball up court or in all fast break mode due to a turnover.
His pace is so slow in his turtle offense |
Confused on how Byron is able to control the pace on any play
Guards need to utilize their own basketball IQ and skill sets to their advantage - basically play basketball, play with your head always up and push to the ball to force mismatches |
The coach controls the pace by the system he employs and the direction he gives the players. Remember when D'antoni used to run 7 seconds or less? He was controlling the pace. That one international coach who used a system called 40 minutes of hell where he would press the full game? Another way to dictate pace.
Our "Princeton" sets are slow developing and they pretty much force us to run a slower pace to properly go thru the sets. Check fiend's last few posts in the X and O thread. He highlights beautifully. For example, there are some sets where the guards have to wait for Hibbert to set up first. Obviously you cannot push the pace in those situations. |
Fiend's posts are invaluable and applicable once they are into their sets
As the Shaq/Mailman/Glove/Black Mamba/DFish has shown when they were healthy, one can always push the pace to force mismatches prior to running the system (Triangle with this Zen Master-coached team). Mailman and Glove played the needed D to get run outs for easy transition offense.
Princeton Offense has worked, with various winning teams
When players are not always moving with a purpose, nothing positive will happen in any system - even the Spurs and Warriors' sets
When Huerstas is playing, the offense flows better and he doesn't know that system well |
They go into those sets every time they're not in an immediate fast break opportunity. Which results in the ball being walked up the court to give Hibbert and Kobe enough time to establish position.
Huertas runs the 2nd unit at a faster pace because he for the most part is running a PnR offense. If Byron loosened the chains a bit and let Clarkson, Russell, Randle run you'd see a more free flowing offense and guys would be more engaged on D.
These meaningless sets he has them running are killing their pace AND in the long run killing their confidence in him |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| 22 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Very good point that "he might have to become a defensive rebounding machine if he wants more offensive touches" , hadn't thought if it that way but - him pushing the ball is one of his best ways to do something productive. Maybe there should be more kick-aheads to Randle in semi-transition. |
does Coach Scott know what semi transition is? I only ever see this team walk the ball up court or in all fast break mode due to a turnover.
His pace is so slow in his turtle offense |
Confused on how Byron is able to control the pace on any play
Guards need to utilize their own basketball IQ and skill sets to their advantage - basically play basketball, play with your head always up and push to the ball to force mismatches |
The coach controls the pace by the system he employs and the direction he gives the players. Remember when D'antoni used to run 7 seconds or less? He was controlling the pace. That one international coach who used a system called 40 minutes of hell where he would press the full game? Another way to dictate pace.
Our "Princeton" sets are slow developing and they pretty much force us to run a slower pace to properly go thru the sets. Check fiend's last few posts in the X and O thread. He highlights beautifully. For example, there are some sets where the guards have to wait for Hibbert to set up first. Obviously you cannot push the pace in those situations. |
Fiend's posts are invaluable and applicable once they are into their sets
As the Shaq/Mailman/Glove/Black Mamba/DFish has shown when they were healthy, one can always push the pace to force mismatches prior to running the system (Triangle with this Zen Master-coached team). Mailman and Glove played the needed D to get run outs for easy transition offense.
Princeton Offense has worked, with various winning teams
When players are not always moving with a purpose, nothing positive will happen in any system - even the Spurs and Warriors' sets
When Huerstas is playing, the offense flows better and he doesn't know that system well |
They go into those sets every time they're not in an immediate fast break opportunity. Which results in the ball being walked up the court to give Hibbert and Kobe enough time to establish position.
Huertas runs the 2nd unit at a faster pace because he for the most part is running a PnR offense. If Byron loosened the chains a bit and let Clarkson, Russell, Randle run you'd see a more free flowing offense and guys would be more engaged on D.
These meaningless sets he has them running are killing their pace AND in the long run killing their confidence in him |
Understand your views
With Byron not calling the plays, the play-calling is indicative of the PG/DLO
Clarkson and Randle are pushing the ball
When DLO stops playing scared of making mistakes, he will start making great plays
IMHO |
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| THX DB. GO LAKERS |
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