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Gimme_the_rock
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| laker4life wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | Just change the coach and the team will be fine. |
What makes you think that the next coach will be a great hire.
So far they will be 0-3. |
Pretty much this.
I have faith in the talent acquisitions thus far but coaching hires have been abysmal and, as we're witnessing now, that's a very big deal.
This team may not be constructed of world beaters but even with the lack of experience and while struggling to create chemistry, this team with a better coach could actually be 3 - 1 right now.
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Mitch Kupchak is like a kid who builds a beautiful sand castle and then watches as other kids run over it
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | Just change the coach and the team will be fine. |
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| 22 wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | Just change the coach and the team will be fine. |
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| clutchkobe wrote: | | botox wrote: | Byron's hire was bad. Personnel decisions have been worse. There's not a coach in the world that can win with this roster. Draft decisions were suspect and free agency was a debacle.
Woohoo! Panthers win!
There were some decent bigs in this draft and we didn't get one. Chasing Aldridge and missing out on some good young athletes that would've helped our defense was malpractice. Our lack of foot speed and overall athleticism is what is killing us. We didn't address that. We just added more slow undersized players, not counting Hibbert, who is playing with heart and I've come to like, but slow and lumbering.
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I really don't think the coaching move was a bad one. No coach can coach this team any better.....None of these players....None are defensive mindedl players......they don't think of it first......What do you want from Byron....a miracle. The Last five years, we keep saying the same thing...its the coach....No its not....Start at the top. Head of Basketball operations....change that first....It might not be head of basketball operations but every team would start there first after all this time. You fire the management.....you don't keep making the same mistake. I know jim is an owner but the problem is he has a roll and he has a superior which is Jeanie......Stop living in Jerry Buss Shadow and become the head of this organization. Im blaming both of them now. Get someone qualified in the basketball operations job and a new gm that is current in todays basketball and not the past......Then Jeanie and Jim head the ownership of this organization and stop pretending they are jerry buss. Jim must be told he is not Jerry West and will never be....Let it go....he is destroying this organization. |
I think you're agreeing with me for the most part. I'm not a part of the Mitch Kupchak fan club. You can only bask in the light of the Pau Gasol trade for so long. It's a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately business.
Byron, IMO, was a bad hire. He was hired after D'Antoni, who was hammered in the media by Magic and other Showtimers. So who do you hire? Another Showtimer, regardless of whether he was the best man for the job. He was hired more for his Laker pedigree than his coaching pedigree. And that was a bad decision. Lakers were bullied into that hire. |
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JIM BUSS IT IS TIME TO GRACIOUSLY STEP DOWN. DEFINITELY YOU ARE NOT THE CHOSEN ONE.
You tried a few times rebuilding this franchise but an Omen just follows you, break your plans and bring us more bad results.
From Chris Paul to Lamar/Pau, Dwight mare, to multiple Free agents not signing with us and now possibly Russell instead of Okafor then Coaching circus from Brown to D'antoni(instead of Phil), then Byron(next to go)... When will this ever end???
All we need is Order and normalcy in Lakerland. If you cant make this team win for a number of years now, why prolong it longer?
It hurts to see once a proud franchise, my Lakers to play like a Dleaguer.
Lets give Jennie a shot for heaven sakes!! |
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clutchkobe
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| botox wrote: | | clutchkobe wrote: | | botox wrote: | Byron's hire was bad. Personnel decisions have been worse. There's not a coach in the world that can win with this roster. Draft decisions were suspect and free agency was a debacle.
Woohoo! Panthers win!
There were some decent bigs in this draft and we didn't get one. Chasing Aldridge and missing out on some good young athletes that would've helped our defense was malpractice. Our lack of foot speed and overall athleticism is what is killing us. We didn't address that. We just added more slow undersized players, not counting Hibbert, who is playing with heart and I've come to like, but slow and lumbering.
Get me some athletes! |
I really don't think the coaching move was a bad one. No coach can coach this team any better.....None of these players....None are defensive mindedl players......they don't think of it first......What do you want from Byron....a miracle. The Last five years, we keep saying the same thing...its the coach....No its not....Start at the top. Head of Basketball operations....change that first....It might not be head of basketball operations but every team would start there first after all this time. You fire the management.....you don't keep making the same mistake. I know jim is an owner but the problem is he has a roll and he has a superior which is Jeanie......Stop living in Jerry Buss Shadow and become the head of this organization. Im blaming both of them now. Get someone qualified in the basketball operations job and a new gm that is current in todays basketball and not the past......Then Jeanie and Jim head the ownership of this organization and stop pretending they are jerry buss. Jim must be told he is not Jerry West and will never be....Let it go....he is destroying this organization. |
I think you're agreeing with me for the most part. I'm not a part of the Mitch Kupchak fan club. You can only bask in the light of the Pau Gasol trade for so long. It's a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately business.
Byron, IMO, was a bad hire. He was hired after D'Antoni, who was hammered in the media by Magic and other Showtimers. So who do you hire? Another Showtimer, regardless of whether he was the best man for the job. He was hired more for his Laker pedigree than his coaching pedigree. And that was a bad decision. Lakers were bullied into that hire. |
agree 100%......he was hired to shield mitch and jim |
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clutchkobe
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| lakerslifer wrote: | JIM BUSS IT IS TIME TO GRACIOUSLY STEP DOWN. DEFINITELY YOU ARE NOT THE CHOSEN ONE.
You tried a few times rebuilding this franchise but an Omen just follows you, break your plans and bring us more bad results.
From Chris Paul to Lamar/Pau, Dwight mare, to multiple Free agents not signing with us and now possibly Russell instead of Okafor then Coaching circus from Brown to D'antoni(instead of Phil), then Byron(next to go)... When will this ever end???
All we need is Order and normalcy in Lakerland. If you cant make this team win for a number of years now, why prolong it longer?
It hurts to see once a proud franchise, my Lakers to play like a Dleaguer.
Lets give Jennie a shot for heaven sakes!! |
amen! preach!!!!.........anyone else in this job making this many mistakes would have been gone. Mistake after mistake after mistake. We all see who the problem is. The problem is he thinks he is good at his job and we cant do anything about it. He is an owner. I was excited when jim buss first came on because I knew he like to spend money. This would have been great 5-10 yrs ago. What jim is not looking at was that along with his father who like to spend money.....he had a great talent finder in jerry west. That has never been mitch kupchek. jim and mitch, 10 yrs ago with our brand might have worked.....NOT TODAY! we can ignore the future and keep selling hula hoops or get to the future and sell the newest toys. im sorry I keep going on and on about jim....I just cant believe everyone wants to blame everyone else except where the problem is. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | Just change the coach and the team will be fine. |
AGREED |
AGREED! |
AGREED!! |
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lakerslifer
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| Lakers#1Team wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | Just change the coach and the team will be fine. |
AGREED |
AGREED! |
AGREED!! |
We did that like 10 times already right?
Lets say change the coach one more time and Jimbo has to take over the Sparks |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| clutchkobe wrote: | | lakerslifer wrote: | JIM BUSS IT IS TIME TO GRACIOUSLY STEP DOWN. DEFINITELY YOU ARE NOT THE CHOSEN ONE.
You tried a few times rebuilding this franchise but an Omen just follows you, break your plans and bring us more bad results.
From Chris Paul to Lamar/Pau, Dwight mare, to multiple Free agents not signing with us and now possibly Russell instead of Okafor then Coaching circus from Brown to D'antoni(instead of Phil), then Byron(next to go)... When will this ever end???
All we need is Order and normalcy in Lakerland. If you cant make this team win for a number of years now, why prolong it longer?
It hurts to see once a proud franchise, my Lakers to play like a Dleaguer.
Lets give Jennie a shot for heaven sakes!! |
amen! preach!!!!.........anyone else in this job making this many mistakes would have been gone. Mistake after mistake after mistake. We all see who the problem is. The problem is he thinks he is good at his job and we cant do anything about it. He is an owner. I was excited when jim buss first came on because I knew he like to spend money. This would have been great 5-10 yrs ago. What jim is not looking at was that along with his father who like to spend money.....he had a great talent finder in jerry west. That has never been mitch kupchek. jim and mitch, 10 yrs ago with our brand might have worked.....NOT TODAY! we can ignore the future and keep selling hula hoops or get to the future and sell the newest toys. im sorry I keep going on and on about jim....I just cant believe everyone wants to blame everyone else except where the problem is. |
His job is being an owner. Repeat again, his job is being an owner. Owners do not get fired. God, some of you are so dense that even when you are corrected over and over you don't learn anything.
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| lakerslifer wrote: | | Lakers#1Team wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | Just change the coach and the team will be fine. |
AGREED |
AGREED! |
AGREED!! |
We did that like 10 times already right?
Lets say change the coach one more time and Jimbo has to take over the Sparks |
Yeah, we replaced Dunleavy with Pfund, then Pfund with Rambis, but they couldn't stop the death of the Lakers.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | clutchkobe wrote: | | lakerslifer wrote: | JIM BUSS IT IS TIME TO GRACIOUSLY STEP DOWN. DEFINITELY YOU ARE NOT THE CHOSEN ONE.
You tried a few times rebuilding this franchise but an Omen just follows you, break your plans and bring us more bad results.
From Chris Paul to Lamar/Pau, Dwight mare, to multiple Free agents not signing with us and now possibly Russell instead of Okafor then Coaching circus from Brown to D'antoni(instead of Phil), then Byron(next to go)... When will this ever end???
All we need is Order and normalcy in Lakerland. If you cant make this team win for a number of years now, why prolong it longer?
It hurts to see once a proud franchise, my Lakers to play like a Dleaguer.
Lets give Jennie a shot for heaven sakes!! |
amen! preach!!!!.........anyone else in this job making this many mistakes would have been gone. Mistake after mistake after mistake. We all see who the problem is. The problem is he thinks he is good at his job and we cant do anything about it. He is an owner. I was excited when jim buss first came on because I knew he like to spend money. This would have been great 5-10 yrs ago. What jim is not looking at was that along with his father who like to spend money.....he had a great talent finder in jerry west. That has never been mitch kupchek. jim and mitch, 10 yrs ago with our brand might have worked.....NOT TODAY! we can ignore the future and keep selling hula hoops or get to the future and sell the newest toys. im sorry I keep going on and on about jim....I just cant believe everyone wants to blame everyone else except where the problem is. |
His job is being an owner. Repeat again, his job is being an owner. Owners do not get fired. God, some of you are so dense that even when you are corrected over and over you don't learn anything. |
first of all im not dense!!!!!. you always get personal. you can talk...but watch your tone....ive told you that before. Jerry Buss was an owner....he answered to no one. Jim Buss has other bosses he has to answer to....his brothers and sisters. Not the same thing. He does not oversee the organization, he runs it day to day. That's why he is a partial owner who is bad and bad at his job of head of basketball operations. Those other brothers and sisters can remove him from his job...... |
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| there's more to be done than simply changing the coach |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| legend825 wrote: | | there's more to be done than simply changing the coach |
I agree, but it would move us away from 'joke of the league' status towards 'young up and coming team' status without requiring the other stuff to be done. |
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| Gimme_the_rock wrote: | | laker4life wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | Just change the coach and the team will be fine. |
What makes you think that the next coach will be a great hire.
So far they will be 0-3. |
Pretty much this.
I have faith in the talent acquisitions thus far but coaching hires have been abysmal and, as we're witnessing now, that's a very big deal.
This team may not be constructed of world beaters but even with the lack of experience and while struggling to create chemistry, this team with a better coach could actually be 3 - 1 right now. |
they would not be 3-1 with a better coach.
Some of the record is a reflection of the talent.
Sorry. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| Lakers#1Team wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | Just change the coach and the team will be fine. |
AGREED |
AGREED! |
AGREED!! |
Hiring a 4th coach in 6th seasons might fix things.
But there is no guarantee.
I'd rather have a roster that isnt' bottom 5-10 in the league, if we're making changes.
Cap flexibility is nice, it just won't win you many games. No matter who the coach is.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Lakers#1Team wrote: | | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | Just change the coach and the team will be fine. |
AGREED |
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Hiring a 4th coach in 6th seasons might fix things.
But there is no guarantee.
I'd rather have a roster that isnt' bottom 5-10 in the league, if we're making changes.
Cap flexibility is nice, it just won't win you many games. No matter who the coach is. |
So you want us to keep this coach that schedules 2 practices a day, has his players run suicide drills after losses?
This is a coach that is very detrimental to the development of our young core...
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Lakers 2015-16 Roster Doesn’t Fit Together 
| Quote: | Kupchak had a roster full of question marks, and it’s difficult (if not impossible) to plug holes when you don’t have any idea where the leak will come from. That’s why it shouldn’t be surprising that now, nearly a month into the 2015-2016 NBA season, the roster he assembled isn’t quite fitting together.
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We know why it doesn't fit together.
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| I was okay with us tanking the last 2 years because we had to. This year i wanted respectability and to be competitive. I have lost faith in the organization now, keeping Byron to me is the franchise just having a loser mentality. |
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| The Buss children are not capable of running this organization on their own. Time to bring in some professionals to run the team. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | clutchkobe wrote: | | lakerslifer wrote: | JIM BUSS IT IS TIME TO GRACIOUSLY STEP DOWN. DEFINITELY YOU ARE NOT THE CHOSEN ONE.
You tried a few times rebuilding this franchise but an Omen just follows you, break your plans and bring us more bad results.
From Chris Paul to Lamar/Pau, Dwight mare, to multiple Free agents not signing with us and now possibly Russell instead of Okafor then Coaching circus from Brown to D'antoni(instead of Phil), then Byron(next to go)... When will this ever end???
All we need is Order and normalcy in Lakerland. If you cant make this team win for a number of years now, why prolong it longer?
It hurts to see once a proud franchise, my Lakers to play like a Dleaguer.
Lets give Jennie a shot for heaven sakes!! |
amen! preach!!!!.........anyone else in this job making this many mistakes would have been gone. Mistake after mistake after mistake. We all see who the problem is. The problem is he thinks he is good at his job and we cant do anything about it. He is an owner. I was excited when jim buss first came on because I knew he like to spend money. This would have been great 5-10 yrs ago. What jim is not looking at was that along with his father who like to spend money.....he had a great talent finder in jerry west. That has never been mitch kupchek. jim and mitch, 10 yrs ago with our brand might have worked.....NOT TODAY! we can ignore the future and keep selling hula hoops or get to the future and sell the newest toys. im sorry I keep going on and on about jim....I just cant believe everyone wants to blame everyone else except where the problem is. |
His job is being an owner. Repeat again, his job is being an owner. Owners do not get fired. God, some of you are so dense that even when you are corrected over and over you don't learn anything. |
Apparently it's ok for you to lash out at other posters, but you should really get out more (90k posts, and most of them are snarky replies). Anyone else would've been banned for half the crap you get away with. Hell, I'll probably get banned just for calling you out on it. Seriously, go outside or something. |
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