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Curry is ridiculous.

So, last season, Westbrook led all players in 20+ pt quarters with 4.

This year, Curry's played 10 games and already has 4.


To do 4 times in a career would be impressive.

4 times in 10 games (all wins) is simply ridiculous.

again, all i want to say is a lot of this credit should be going to the system and the teammates. This is phoenix on steroids. This is NOT Kobe in his smush years, and this is not MJ during the mid 80s, and this is not Wilt on his non championship teams.

In other words, I am not seeing anything from Curry that tells me that if you were to put him on a team with worse teammates and a worse system, would he carry them this way.


IMO he's in the echelon of most dangerous skills with the ball in his hands of all time. He's ISO-ing and coming off simple PnR and knocking 3s in your eye at will - that's not system. And you don't need the Warriors system to run him off screens like more prototypical deadeye shooters. With those two things said - I think he could be this good in any system.


Exactly. But certain people can't handle anyone other than their favorite players, or those who have their preferred play styles, receive praise.

it seems that way because you guys are so eager to label something the "best ever", so immediately we think about kobe, mj, magic, etc. curry is not best ever for anything yet.


Except I haven't labeled anyone the best anything in this thread. What I am capable of doing is having a positive conversation about a current player without injecting Kobe into the discussion.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:25 pm    Post subject:

I don't know how people can put guys like Bob Cousy and Walt Frazier above Stephen Curry... the things we're seeing this guy do have never been done before it's truly amazing
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I don't know how people can put guys like Bob Cousy and Walt Frazier above Stephen Curry...


You can't and I bet if you asked either Cousy or Frazier they would tell you the same thing.

Curry is on another level from those guys, he is forcing his way into the conversation with guys like Magic, Stockton, Oscar Robertson, etc. as far as top PG's of all time.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:42 pm    Post subject:

Curry right now is playing better than any PG I've seen except Magic. But he has to do it for more years before I'd put him ahead of some of those other all-time greats.
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I don't know how people can put guys like Bob Cousy and Walt Frazier above Stephen Curry... the things we're seeing this guy do have never been done before it's truly amazing


I get Cousy. He pretty much invented the point guard position, let the league in assists 8 consecutive years, won 6 rings, was first team all-NBA 10 straight years.

He also did amazing things that no one had seen before -- behind-the-back dribbling, no-look passes, and other things that have become so commonplace we don't realize there was a time players didn't do such things.

He doesn't win the time machine test, where you transport a guy into a different era and guess how he would do, but not everyone uses the time machine test to evaluate players.
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I don't know how people can put guys like Bob Cousy and Walt Frazier above Stephen Curry... the things we're seeing this guy do have never been done before it's truly amazing


I get Cousy. He pretty much invented the point guard position, let the league in assists 8 consecutive years, won 6 rings, was first team all-NBA 10 straight years.

He also did amazing things that no one had seen before -- behind-the-back dribbling, no-look passes, and other things that have become so commonplace we don't realize there was a time players didn't do such things.

He doesn't win the time machine test, where you transport a guy into a different era and guess how he would do, but not everyone uses the time machine test to evaluate players.


The time machine is overrated as a judge of all-time greatness.

Greatness is era-specific. If you're gonna use the time machine, it must work both ways.

Transport a modern player like Curry to Cousy's era. Pluck away his trainer, salary, video study, put him on the bus and what do you have ? A guy who can't dribble drive without palming the ball (traveling). No jump-stop available. Can't defend his position since his never learned to use his hands or body-up. He loses the timing advantage he has on today's players because most of his scoring repertoire is based on his crossover (illegal in Cousy's day, carrying over the ball), The major benefit of his deep three (it's a two) is unavailable to him. I'm unconvinced his game passes the time machine test. So, yeah it tells me it's not a way to measure greatness.
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I don't know how people can put guys like Bob Cousy and Walt Frazier above Stephen Curry... the things we're seeing this guy do have never been done before it's truly amazing


I get Cousy. He pretty much invented the point guard position, let the league in assists 8 consecutive years, won 6 rings, was first team all-NBA 10 straight years.

He also did amazing things that no one had seen before -- behind-the-back dribbling, no-look passes, and other things that have become so commonplace we don't realize there was a time players didn't do such things.

He doesn't win the time machine test, where you transport a guy into a different era and guess how he would do, but not everyone uses the time machine test to evaluate players.


The time machine is overrated as a judge of all-time greatness.

Greatness is era-specific. If you're gonna use the time machine, it must work both ways.

Transport a modern player like Curry to Cousy's era. Pluck away his trainer, salary, video study, put him on the bus and what do you have ? A guy who can't dribble drive without palming the ball (traveling). No jump-stop available. Can't defend his position since his never learned to use his hands or body-up. He loses the timing advantage he has on today's players because most of his scoring repertoire is based on his crossover (illegal in Cousy's day, carrying over the ball), The major benefit of his deep three (it's a two) is unavailable to him. I'm unconvinced his game passes the time machine test. So, yeah it tells me it's not a way to measure greatness.


Lol are you kidding me? Of course if you remove all of Steph's basketball training he won't be as good as he is with it that's just common sense. If you transport Steph back in time you transport him EXACTLY as he is today, right now. Meaning he has been trained with the best modern day techniques and will definitely be the fastest most athletic and skilled guy on the court. It's really amazing how much the game has evolved and how vastly superior modern training is than it was when Cousy played. Oh and a crossover is not illegal and is not carrying when performed properly and trust me Steph would cross everybody in that era up and make them look silly.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:16 am    Post subject:

Curry above Magic or Oscar? No way does he reach that level as great as he is lets us not forgot he has only had like two elite seasons he still has long ways to go enter top 5 PG in history people are jumping the gun like always slow down.
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I don't know how people can put guys like Bob Cousy and Walt Frazier above Stephen Curry... the things we're seeing this guy do have never been done before it's truly amazing


I get Cousy. He pretty much invented the point guard position, let the league in assists 8 consecutive years, won 6 rings, was first team all-NBA 10 straight years.

He also did amazing things that no one had seen before -- behind-the-back dribbling, no-look passes, and other things that have become so commonplace we don't realize there was a time players didn't do such things.

He doesn't win the time machine test, where you transport a guy into a different era and guess how he would do, but not everyone uses the time machine test to evaluate players.


The time machine is overrated as a judge of all-time greatness.

Greatness is era-specific. If you're gonna use the time machine, it must work both ways.

Transport a modern player like Curry to Cousy's era. Pluck away his trainer, salary, video study, put him on the bus and what do you have ? A guy who can't dribble drive without palming the ball (traveling). No jump-stop available. Can't defend his position since his never learned to use his hands or body-up. He loses the timing advantage he has on today's players because most of his scoring repertoire is based on his crossover (illegal in Cousy's day, carrying over the ball), The major benefit of his deep three (it's a two) is unavailable to him. I'm unconvinced his game passes the time machine test. So, yeah it tells me it's not a way to measure greatness.


Lol are you kidding me? Of course if you remove all of Steph's basketball training he won't be as good as he is with it that's just common sense. If you transport Steph back in time you transport him EXACTLY as he is today, right now. Meaning he has been trained with the best modern day techniques and will definitely be the fastest most athletic and skilled guy on the court. It's really amazing how much the game has evolved and how vastly superior modern training is than it was when Cousy played. Oh and a crossover is not illegal and is not carrying when performed properly and trust me Steph would cross everybody in that era up and make them look silly.


I'm sorry friend, but in 1965 the crossover would be whistled as a carrying over violation. Hand on top of the ball only. I hear it now ... freeeeep !
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:00 am    Post subject:

Curry's peak/best level is higher than most. He's proven to have a higher gear in terms of carrying a team than Payton, Stockton, Kidd, Paul, etc. So he's quite high on the list of best point guards. The "Greatest List" has slightly different criteria because there's more weight on longevity, and Curry isn't quite there yet. But he's climbing up with each game, season, etc.

Same thing when evaluating him as a shooter. Best shooter ever? I'd say so. But not quite yet the greatest shooter ever. Will he eventually get there? Pretty good chance. But if his abilities or career is prematurely derailed for whatever reason (a wrist injury, or diagnosis of a medical condition)...of course that would be tough luck. But in this scenario, it's tougher to argue that he was the greatest shooter. Ray Allen and Reggie Miller would have done it for a much longer period of time.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Steph Curry 2nd greatest pg of all time?

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Magic is a tier by himself


He'd have to put up a triple over the season and he never did. However, there is hope, as the Big O did so. And for how insane the Big O, while his second season was the one with a triple over the season, he averaged a triple over this first five seasons:

30.5, 10.1, 9.7
30.8, 12.5, 11.4
28.3, 10.4, 9.5
31.4, 9.9, 11.0
30.4, 9.9, 11.5

Magic was great, but he was no Oscar Robertson.

Let me leave you with:

“LeBron is awesome, MJ was awesome — but I think Oscar Robertson would have kicked them both in the behind,” said Abdul-Jabbar when asked about James and Jordan. “Absolutely. Oscar was awesome. He had brains. […] He had all the skills.

“He could rebound and box out guys four and six inches taller than him. He was ruggedly built. He had fluid, quickness, and just understood the game. No flair, he just got the job done every night. Who’s going to average double figures in points, assists and rebounds?”

Or so said, KAJ. And he should know.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:52 pm    Post subject:

Curry is the Jordan of this new era. I have a feeling that he's going to win 3 to 5 more championships. The Warriors are loaded and all in their prime.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:48 pm    Post subject:

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Curry is the Jordan of this new era. I have a feeling that he's going to win 3 to 5 more championships. The Warriors are loaded and all in their prime.


Curry isn't that's totally disrespectful come on man. Curry doesn't deserve be in same breath as MJ. I'll take these players over Curry without a second thought Lebron, Dirk, KG, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe and Wade and that's just in last 10-15 years Curry is great but way overrated if you believe he is in same tier of players as any of those names I mentioned.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:24 pm    Post subject:

In terms of peak play?^Curry is as good as all those guys except LBJ and Shaq.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:06 pm    Post subject:

curry is better than lbj has ever been.

better than mj? sheesh.

curry is this era's ray allen/reggie miller. that is it for now.

i don't get all this "no one has ever done this before" kind of talk. the only thing that hasn't been "done before" is this league wide acceptance of chucking a lot of threes, and a league full of dynamite three point shooters. we've never seen that the way we have the last 2 years, maybe 5 years max.

you didn't see it before because players were not allowed (almost part of nba culture, and bball culture in general) to shoot a lot of threes. so teams weren't full of three point shooters like now. usually, a team had a designated three guy or maybe a couple of them.

curry is the first superstar who is a three point specialist, yet still considered to be one of the best players in the league. you had reggie and ray before, but there was always the thought that they were specialists for the most part, but not like a top 3 overall player in the league.

and before them, you had guys like hodges who were considered role players. however, today, hodges would be a starter and most likely an all star.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:47 pm    Post subject:

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In terms of peak play?^Curry is as good as all those guys except LBJ and Shaq.


Yeah umm no way in hell but you're entitled to your opinion.
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ok, i have more unpopular opinions to add about Curry, sorry...

I am not knocking Curry, but i do feel he is getting way overhyped and people are thinking he is greater historically than he really is.

his shots, especially threes, are what i consider to be wide open shots for a shooter. and for unhyped players, these shots would actually be labeled as "wide open" by the commentators. now, they go crazy for curry because he's the main man, but that's the truth.

he still is not terribly godly at contested shots. i mean, to be honest, nobody really is from the three range. Sorry to say, kobe was the best i've seen at contested threes. he is nowhere near that level. for open threes, he is amazing, on the level of the most gifted shooters the league has ever had, like reggie and ray.

the gs system gets the credit here. they have a team full of good three point shooters. and they have a system that gets EVERYONE open, rooted in these guys that can all shoot. you really can't leave anyone open.

again, phoenix on steroids. and better time and place for it too. if you remember, everyone that played on the suns those years turned into a great three point shooter, just like gsw. it's a system thing.

not saying he isn't good, but he is getting too overhyped. i hesitate to use the words unprecedented and greatest with him because he's just not there. he's not at a point where he can carry a team on his back. the system carries the team on the back, not the players. at least, not a player like him. but it's also very possible that the new nba has moved away from that kind of play (individualism), and this distributed style is going to be the new way.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:59 pm    Post subject:

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ok, i have more unpopular opinions to add about Curry, sorry...

I am not knocking Curry, but i do feel he is getting way overhyped and people are thinking he is greater historically than he really is.

his shots, especially threes, are what i consider to be wide open shots for a shooter. and for unhyped players, these shots would actually be labeled as "wide open" by the commentators. now, they go crazy for curry because he's the main man, but that's the truth.

he still is not terribly godly at contested shots. i mean, to be honest, nobody really is from the three range. Sorry to say, kobe was the best i've seen at contested threes. he is nowhere near that level. for open threes, he is amazing, on the level of the most gifted shooters the league has ever had, like reggie and ray.

the gs system gets the credit here. they have a team full of good three point shooters. and they have a system that gets EVERYONE open, rooted in these guys that can all shoot. you really can't leave anyone open.

again, phoenix on steroids. and better time and place for it too. if you remember, everyone that played on the suns those years turned into a great three point shooter, just like gsw. it's a system thing.

not saying he isn't good, but he is getting too overhyped. i hesitate to use the words unprecedented and greatest with him because he's just not there. he's not at a point where he can carry a team on his back. the system carries the team on the back, not the players. at least, not a player like him. but it's also very possible that the new nba has moved away from that kind of play (individualism), and this distributed style is going to be the new way.


I disagree that they're wide open. But I'll digress on that for the sake of argument --- how does he get "wide open" , half of the time he creates that space himself w/ his handle. Those are the shots that add to his lore. Kobe had to make shots with a half step closer contest because he couldn't shake guys consistently. That's what's unprecedented, nobody's been able to create "wide open" 3s for themselves like him and then make them at that clip. That's the way the game of basketball is supposed to be played, you're supposed to shoot good looks. Kobe is the best bad shot maker in the history of the game. Steph is the best good shot creator and maker in the history of the game. Respect them both
And if you want to make that an aside from him being "one of" the most gifted shooters ever, that doesn't help your anti Curry agenda
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ok, i have more unpopular opinions to add about Curry, sorry...

I am not knocking Curry, but i do feel he is getting way overhyped and people are thinking he is greater historically than he really is.

his shots, especially threes, are what i consider to be wide open shots for a shooter. and for unhyped players, these shots would actually be labeled as "wide open" by the commentators. now, they go crazy for curry because he's the main man, but that's the truth.

he still is not terribly godly at contested shots. i mean, to be honest, nobody really is from the three range. Sorry to say, kobe was the best i've seen at contested threes. he is nowhere near that level. for open threes, he is amazing, on the level of the most gifted shooters the league has ever had, like reggie and ray.

the gs system gets the credit here. they have a team full of good three point shooters. and they have a system that gets EVERYONE open, rooted in these guys that can all shoot. you really can't leave anyone open.

again, phoenix on steroids. and better time and place for it too. if you remember, everyone that played on the suns those years turned into a great three point shooter, just like gsw. it's a system thing.

not saying he isn't good, but he is getting too overhyped. i hesitate to use the words unprecedented and greatest with him because he's just not there. he's not at a point where he can carry a team on his back. the system carries the team on the back, not the players. at least, not a player like him. but it's also very possible that the new nba has moved away from that kind of play (individualism), and this distributed style is going to be the new way.


I disagree that they're wide open. But I'll digress on that for the sake of argument --- how does he get "wide open" , half of the time he creates that space himself w/ his handle. Those are the shots that add to his lore. Kobe had to make shots with a half step closer contest because he couldn't shake guys consistently. That's what's unprecedented, nobody's been able to create "wide open" 3s for themselves like him and then make them at that clip. That's the way the game of basketball is supposed to be played, you're supposed to shoot good looks. Kobe is the best bad shot maker in the history of the game. Steph is the best good shot creator and maker in the history of the game. Respect them both
And if you want to make that an aside from him being "one of" the most gifted shooters ever, that doesn't help your anti Curry agenda

first, i have no anti-curry agenda. i like him a lot and i want him to be #1, barring any Lakers, and I like thompson also. I'm just saying he is being overhyped right now and his exploits are being taken way too out of context.

i agree with most of what you said. i guess I'm saying that his shake and bake shooting isn't as impressive as it's getting credit for right now. more of a "let's wait and see what happens" comment. just imagine this...replace curry/kobe on the smush lakers...what do you get?
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I don't know how people can put guys like Bob Cousy and Walt Frazier above Stephen Curry... the things we're seeing this guy do have never been done before it's truly amazing


I get Cousy. He pretty much invented the point guard position, let the league in assists 8 consecutive years, won 6 rings, was first team all-NBA 10 straight years.

He also did amazing things that no one had seen before -- behind-the-back dribbling, no-look passes, and other things that have become so commonplace we don't realize there was a time players didn't do such things.

He doesn't win the time machine test, where you transport a guy into a different era and guess how he would do, but not everyone uses the time machine test to evaluate players.


The time machine is overrated as a judge of all-time greatness.

Greatness is era-specific. If you're gonna use the time machine, it must work both ways.

Transport a modern player like Curry to Cousy's era. Pluck away his trainer, salary, video study, put him on the bus and what do you have ? A guy who can't dribble drive without palming the ball (traveling). No jump-stop available. Can't defend his position since his never learned to use his hands or body-up. He loses the timing advantage he has on today's players because most of his scoring repertoire is based on his crossover (illegal in Cousy's day, carrying over the ball), The major benefit of his deep three (it's a two) is unavailable to him. I'm unconvinced his game passes the time machine test. So, yeah it tells me it's not a way to measure greatness.


This is ridiculous. Cousy was pretty dang near the infant stage of basketball. Why would it be hard to understand the game has improved, therefore players have improved too? I don't think basketball improvement through history is a constant arrow pointing up, I think there are peaks and valleys, and I think the greatest peak was probably from mid-80's to mid-90's. But overall, on a graph, it's like real estate prices wit h peaks and valleys, but an overall gradual ascendance.

But if you really want to talk about this time machine thing, then It's more accurate if you let them meet half-way in time, for Cousy an Curry, that would be about the 80's or something? Who would be more out of place? Cousy would get busted up. The only advantage Cousy has is if you put Curry in exactly Cousy's time, strip all his game like you said, make him do 2-handed chest passes, and force him to take set shots, LOL! But what does that prove? That's like hypothetically taking a modern PC, bring it back to the 80's, strip it of all it's capabilities because most of the tech hasn't been developed yet, and saying see.. the commodore 64 is better! What if we took Cousy all the way to the beginning when Naismith was still inventing the game using a picnic basket as a hoop. Who would win going one on one, Cousy or Naismith? Now remember, Cousy is not used to shooting at a picnic basket. LOL!

See what I mean? It's ridiculous to work back-wards. When people compare players of different eras, it's conceded that people are wondering how those players would do in today's world. If there is one thing the past does better than the present, is shooting FG%. BTW, for his time where the defense is not as aggressive as it is today, he was a terrible shooter at below 40% career average, when most players back then shot a high percentage. But yippie, he can go behind the back! And from what I gather in clips, his off hand must have been weak. You always see him dribbling in circles or move his body, and shift his back to fend off defenders because he doesn't switch the ball to his off hand. Cousy is a commodore 64. And yes, a Commodore 64 is better than a modern i7 pc if you gut everything out and strip away over 30 yrs of technological development.


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Curry right now is disgusting, insulting, savage and filthy, but not yet at an all-time level. He needs a couple more seasons at this level before he gets in the convo.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:22 am    Post subject:

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Curry right now is disgusting, insulting, savage and filthy, but not yet at an all-time level. He needs a couple more seasons at this level before he gets in the convo.


Here's something interesting in terms of pace. After first 7 seasons, #1 Ray Allen had 1,129 threes. #2 Reggie Miller had 840 threes.

Curry's 7th season is far from over, and he has 1,278 so far. If this insane shooting continues, he's on pace to hit 1600 this year.
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Curry right now is disgusting, insulting, savage and filthy, but not yet at an all-time level. He needs a couple more seasons at this level before he gets in the convo.


Here's something interesting in terms of pace. After first 7 seasons, #1 Ray Allen had 1,129 threes. #2 Reggie Miller had 840 threes.

Curry's 7th season is far from over, and he has 1,278 so far. If this insane shooting continues, he's on pace to hit 1600 this year.


Curry be like...
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I don't know how people can put guys like Bob Cousy and Walt Frazier above Stephen Curry... the things we're seeing this guy do have never been done before it's truly amazing


I get Cousy. He pretty much invented the point guard position, let the league in assists 8 consecutive years, won 6 rings, was first team all-NBA 10 straight years.

He also did amazing things that no one had seen before -- behind-the-back dribbling, no-look passes, and other things that have become so commonplace we don't realize there was a time players didn't do such things.

He doesn't win the time machine test, where you transport a guy into a different era and guess how he would do, but not everyone uses the time machine test to evaluate players.


The time machine is overrated as a judge of all-time greatness.

Greatness is era-specific. If you're gonna use the time machine, it must work both ways.

Transport a modern player like Curry to Cousy's era. Pluck away his trainer, salary, video study, put him on the bus and what do you have ? A guy who can't dribble drive without palming the ball (traveling). No jump-stop available. Can't defend his position since his never learned to use his hands or body-up. He loses the timing advantage he has on today's players because most of his scoring repertoire is based on his crossover (illegal in Cousy's day, carrying over the ball), The major benefit of his deep three (it's a two) is unavailable to him. I'm unconvinced his game passes the time machine test. So, yeah it tells me it's not a way to measure greatness.


This is ridiculous. Cousy was pretty dang near the infant stage of basketball. Why would it be hard to understand the game has improved, therefore players have improved too? I don't think basketball improvement through history is a constant arrow pointing up, I think there are peaks and valleys, and I think the greatest peak was probably from mid-80's to mid-90's. But overall, on a graph, it's like real estate prices wit h peaks and valleys, but an overall gradual ascendance.

But if you really want to talk about this time machine thing, then It's more accurate if you let them meet half-way in time, for Cousy an Curry, that would be about the 80's or something? Who would be more out of place? Cousy would get busted up. The only advantage Cousy has is if you put Curry in exactly Cousy's time, strip all his game like you said, make him do 2-handed chest passes, and force him to take set shots, LOL! But what does that prove? That's like hypothetically taking a modern PC, bring it back to the 80's, strip it of all it's capabilities because most of the tech hasn't been developed yet, and saying see.. the commodore 64 is better! What if we took Cousy all the way to the beginning when Naismith was still inventing the game using a picnic basket as a hoop. Who would win going one on one, Cousy or Naismith? Now remember, Cousy is not used to shooting at a picnic basket. LOL!

See what I mean? It's ridiculous to work back-wards. When people compare players of different eras, it's conceded that people are wondering how those players would do in today's world. If there is one thing the past does better than the present, is shooting FG%. BTW, for his time where the defense is not as aggressive as it is today, he was a terrible shooter at below 40% career average, when most players back then shot a high percentage. But yippie, he can go behind the back! And from what I gather in clips, his off hand must have been weak. You always see him dribbling in circles or move his body, and shift his back to fend off defenders because he doesn't switch the ball to his off hand. Cousy is a commodore 64. And yes, a Commodore 64 is better than a modern i7 pc if you gut everything out and strip away over 30 yrs of technological development.


I'd disagree about that, that a "time machine" player measure is more or even less relevant when moving player ahead in time than back in time. It just makes no sense; the eras were different and we can't know what would happen to Curry as he is today taken to 1959.

Player effectiveness is known only for the era(s) they actually played within. Greatness is era related. Always will be.

We are only guessing about the rest. We don't know how how a transported Curry would play in 1955; he might be crap under those rules, but I doubt it he would be bad. He'd have to learn all his skills at either end of the court all over again, which could make him worse than most who grew up in that era. Even his floater would be a traveling violation. On the other hand, I doubt also that Jerry West, Walt Frazier or Bob Cousy would be as effective today as they were in their eras, but I think they'd be pretty good today or in 1985. We just don't know. Kinda not worth the column space to consider very far.
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