|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Treble Clef
Franchise Player
Joined: 20 Nov 2012
Posts: 23899
|
 Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| KB824MJ wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | Randle was very perplexing today. Didn't break his man down from the top of the key. Settled for jumpers, and on the occasion he found himself in the paint, he forced up circus shots after circus shots. Porzingis the Randle stopper? LOL! |
Porz has extreme length, Randle couldn't break his man down too much length |
Shouldn't he be able to outmuscle him? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
jodeke
Retired Number
Joined: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 67620
Location: In a world where admitting to not knowing something is considered a great way to learn.
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:36 pm Post subject: |
|
|
We will not become a contender until Kobe retires and Jim Buss gives up the reins. Laker fans prepare for a drought. 
_________________
Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ryan_c
Star Player
Joined: 08 Dec 2007
Posts: 1371
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Kblo247! wrote: | | driver wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | 4th quarter
Lou Kobe Nick Lance Tarik
- Play good d, keep a lead, win the glass, and move the ball
Lou Nick Metta Lance Tarik
- keep that lead and play good ball
Lou Nick Metta Lance Hibbert
- keep that lead, play good team ball, cut, and Metta scores some
Insert Randle, Clarkson, Russell
- Clarkson loses Galloway like he lost Jack all game and you give up the lead, in place of Nick actually rotating correctly
- Randle gets beat on effort plays by prozingis because he wouldn't box out or rotate
- Ruasell watches over trying to attack like how Lou was drawing fouls
If anyone is blaming Scott for anything tonight, hell its playing those kids and pulling hot hands Like he pulled Kobe in the first and Metta in the 4th |
It's easy to say what you're saying except did you account for the fact that NY also took out their subs? Today's bench was great, they outscored the NY bench. But both teams went back to their starters as expected. |
But it is not.
Russell the day before had the game of his young life and was benched for Lou because it's expected for Lou to close as he has all year.
Nick and Clarkson are night and day. Like him or not, Nick deserved to close this game and the game before on defense over Clarkson. Clarkson lost Jack all last game. Clarkson lost Galloway this game and gave them the lead. Nick didn't make boxscore stat numbers but he made the correct basketball plays. Nick dug in the paint, got back to his guy, closed out to shooters, and he boxed out on the glass while never leaking out in the second and fourth quarters when we built the lead with him,
Randle got out worked, just like with faried. He didn't box out, he didn't recover to Roy's man when Roy cane to help him. He simply took plays off. He didn't do fundamental work.
At no point was there a let up in the second or fourth quarter when you had 5/7 of Lou, Kobe, Nick, Metta, Black, Lance, Hibbert on the floor. They cut off the basketball, they boxed out, they didn't stack one side the floor, the closed to shooters, they dug down on post ups without actually leaving their guys wide open. They got stops with Melo on the floor. For all the hooplah, Kobe and Metta put more effort in to defending Melo than anyone of the kids did tonight their lesser match ups
Russell, Randle, and Clarkson should have watched that game from the bench in the fourth to actually be taught a lesson and so we win. Clarkson being his defensive effort isn't there, Randle being that he needs to cut and box out, and Russell needs to jaut know when to attack |
I agree Randle and Clarkson needs to improve their defense if Lakers want to win. Randle needs to box out. This is why Scott is losing his patience with the rookies. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ryan_c
Star Player
Joined: 08 Dec 2007
Posts: 1371
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| jodeke wrote: | | We will not become a contender until Kobe retires and Jim Buss gives up the reins. Laker fans prepare for a drought. |
Lakers will not be a contender with Randle and Clarkson's terrible defense. And it seems Russel and Clarkson does not fit well together. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
foshowtime
Star Player
Joined: 08 Nov 2012
Posts: 4448
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| KB824MJ wrote: | | Cooper for coach!! |
_________________
Llluuukkkeee |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
foshowtime
Star Player
Joined: 08 Nov 2012
Posts: 4448
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| pio2u wrote: | | defense wrote: | | Looking more and more like this season is about letting Kobe do what ever he wants. |
He'll have to sit a few out at some point, real soon. |
I was real excited to see Abrown get minutes on the back to backs. But Byron said Kobe will play
_________________
Llluuukkkeee |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pio2u
Retired Number
Joined: 26 Dec 2012
Posts: 54570
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Sadly this was a winnable game  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
defense
Retired Number
Joined: 12 Jan 2010
Posts: 39445
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ryan_c wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | driver wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | 4th quarter
Lou Kobe Nick Lance Tarik
- Play good d, keep a lead, win the glass, and move the ball
Lou Nick Metta Lance Tarik
- keep that lead and play good ball
Lou Nick Metta Lance Hibbert
- keep that lead, play good team ball, cut, and Metta scores some
Insert Randle, Clarkson, Russell
- Clarkson loses Galloway like he lost Jack all game and you give up the lead, in place of Nick actually rotating correctly
- Randle gets beat on effort plays by prozingis because he wouldn't box out or rotate
- Ruasell watches over trying to attack like how Lou was drawing fouls
If anyone is blaming Scott for anything tonight, hell its playing those kids and pulling hot hands Like he pulled Kobe in the first and Metta in the 4th |
It's easy to say what you're saying except did you account for the fact that NY also took out their subs? Today's bench was great, they outscored the NY bench. But both teams went back to their starters as expected. |
But it is not.
Russell the day before had the game of his young life and was benched for Lou because it's expected for Lou to close as he has all year.
Nick and Clarkson are night and day. Like him or not, Nick deserved to close this game and the game before on defense over Clarkson. Clarkson lost Jack all last game. Clarkson lost Galloway this game and gave them the lead. Nick didn't make boxscore stat numbers but he made the correct basketball plays. Nick dug in the paint, got back to his guy, closed out to shooters, and he boxed out on the glass while never leaking out in the second and fourth quarters when we built the lead with him,
Randle got out worked, just like with faried. He didn't box out, he didn't recover to Roy's man when Roy cane to help him. He simply took plays off. He didn't do fundamental work.
At no point was there a let up in the second or fourth quarter when you had 5/7 of Lou, Kobe, Nick, Metta, Black, Lance, Hibbert on the floor. They cut off the basketball, they boxed out, they didn't stack one side the floor, the closed to shooters, they dug down on post ups without actually leaving their guys wide open. They got stops with Melo on the floor. For all the hooplah, Kobe and Metta put more effort in to defending Melo than anyone of the kids did tonight their lesser match ups
Russell, Randle, and Clarkson should have watched that game from the bench in the fourth to actually be taught a lesson and so we win. Clarkson being his defensive effort isn't there, Randle being that he needs to cut and box out, and Russell needs to jaut know when to attack |
I agree Randle and Clarkson needs to improve their defense if Lakers want to win. Randle needs to box out. This is why Scott is losing his patience with the rookies. |
Randle, Clarkson, Kobe, Lou, Young and Russell ALL need to improve their defense and do the little things for us to win more. Cant expect Ron, Nance and Hibbert to do it all alone |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ryan_c
Star Player
Joined: 08 Dec 2007
Posts: 1371
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| defense wrote: | | ryan_c wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | driver wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | 4th quarter
Lou Kobe Nick Lance Tarik
- Play good d, keep a lead, win the glass, and move the ball
Lou Nick Metta Lance Tarik
- keep that lead and play good ball
Lou Nick Metta Lance Hibbert
- keep that lead, play good team ball, cut, and Metta scores some
Insert Randle, Clarkson, Russell
- Clarkson loses Galloway like he lost Jack all game and you give up the lead, in place of Nick actually rotating correctly
- Randle gets beat on effort plays by prozingis because he wouldn't box out or rotate
- Ruasell watches over trying to attack like how Lou was drawing fouls
If anyone is blaming Scott for anything tonight, hell its playing those kids and pulling hot hands Like he pulled Kobe in the first and Metta in the 4th |
It's easy to say what you're saying except did you account for the fact that NY also took out their subs? Today's bench was great, they outscored the NY bench. But both teams went back to their starters as expected. |
But it is not.
Russell the day before had the game of his young life and was benched for Lou because it's expected for Lou to close as he has all year.
Nick and Clarkson are night and day. Like him or not, Nick deserved to close this game and the game before on defense over Clarkson. Clarkson lost Jack all last game. Clarkson lost Galloway this game and gave them the lead. Nick didn't make boxscore stat numbers but he made the correct basketball plays. Nick dug in the paint, got back to his guy, closed out to shooters, and he boxed out on the glass while never leaking out in the second and fourth quarters when we built the lead with him,
Randle got out worked, just like with faried. He didn't box out, he didn't recover to Roy's man when Roy cane to help him. He simply took plays off. He didn't do fundamental work.
At no point was there a let up in the second or fourth quarter when you had 5/7 of Lou, Kobe, Nick, Metta, Black, Lance, Hibbert on the floor. They cut off the basketball, they boxed out, they didn't stack one side the floor, the closed to shooters, they dug down on post ups without actually leaving their guys wide open. They got stops with Melo on the floor. For all the hooplah, Kobe and Metta put more effort in to defending Melo than anyone of the kids did tonight their lesser match ups
Russell, Randle, and Clarkson should have watched that game from the bench in the fourth to actually be taught a lesson and so we win. Clarkson being his defensive effort isn't there, Randle being that he needs to cut and box out, and Russell needs to jaut know when to attack |
I agree Randle and Clarkson needs to improve their defense if Lakers want to win. Randle needs to box out. This is why Scott is losing his patience with the rookies. |
Randle, Clarkson, Kobe, Lou, Young and Russell ALL need to improve their defense and do the little things for us to win more. Cant expect Ron, Nance and Hibbert to do it all alone |
I think Young and Kobe play better defense compare to Clarkson. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
defense
Retired Number
Joined: 12 Jan 2010
Posts: 39445
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:33 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ryan_c wrote: | | defense wrote: | | ryan_c wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | driver wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | 4th quarter
Lou Kobe Nick Lance Tarik
- Play good d, keep a lead, win the glass, and move the ball
Lou Nick Metta Lance Tarik
- keep that lead and play good ball
Lou Nick Metta Lance Hibbert
- keep that lead, play good team ball, cut, and Metta scores some
Insert Randle, Clarkson, Russell
- Clarkson loses Galloway like he lost Jack all game and you give up the lead, in place of Nick actually rotating correctly
- Randle gets beat on effort plays by prozingis because he wouldn't box out or rotate
- Ruasell watches over trying to attack like how Lou was drawing fouls
If anyone is blaming Scott for anything tonight, hell its playing those kids and pulling hot hands Like he pulled Kobe in the first and Metta in the 4th |
It's easy to say what you're saying except did you account for the fact that NY also took out their subs? Today's bench was great, they outscored the NY bench. But both teams went back to their starters as expected. |
But it is not.
Russell the day before had the game of his young life and was benched for Lou because it's expected for Lou to close as he has all year.
Nick and Clarkson are night and day. Like him or not, Nick deserved to close this game and the game before on defense over Clarkson. Clarkson lost Jack all last game. Clarkson lost Galloway this game and gave them the lead. Nick didn't make boxscore stat numbers but he made the correct basketball plays. Nick dug in the paint, got back to his guy, closed out to shooters, and he boxed out on the glass while never leaking out in the second and fourth quarters when we built the lead with him,
Randle got out worked, just like with faried. He didn't box out, he didn't recover to Roy's man when Roy cane to help him. He simply took plays off. He didn't do fundamental work.
At no point was there a let up in the second or fourth quarter when you had 5/7 of Lou, Kobe, Nick, Metta, Black, Lance, Hibbert on the floor. They cut off the basketball, they boxed out, they didn't stack one side the floor, the closed to shooters, they dug down on post ups without actually leaving their guys wide open. They got stops with Melo on the floor. For all the hooplah, Kobe and Metta put more effort in to defending Melo than anyone of the kids did tonight their lesser match ups
Russell, Randle, and Clarkson should have watched that game from the bench in the fourth to actually be taught a lesson and so we win. Clarkson being his defensive effort isn't there, Randle being that he needs to cut and box out, and Russell needs to jaut know when to attack |
I agree Randle and Clarkson needs to improve their defense if Lakers want to win. Randle needs to box out. This is why Scott is losing his patience with the rookies. |
Randle, Clarkson, Kobe, Lou, Young and Russell ALL need to improve their defense and do the little things for us to win more. Cant expect Ron, Nance and Hibbert to do it all alone |
I think Young and Kobe play better defense compare to Clarkson. |
Maybe, maybe not, the point is that the whole teams needs to play better defense and rebound better. While they are at it a little more player and ball movement never hurt anyone. Some coaching would be nice too. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pio2u
Retired Number
Joined: 26 Dec 2012
Posts: 54570
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| defense wrote: | | ryan_c wrote: | | defense wrote: | | ryan_c wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | driver wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | 4th quarter
Lou Kobe Nick Lance Tarik
- Play good d, keep a lead, win the glass, and move the ball
Lou Nick Metta Lance Tarik
- keep that lead and play good ball
Lou Nick Metta Lance Hibbert
- keep that lead, play good team ball, cut, and Metta scores some
Insert Randle, Clarkson, Russell
- Clarkson loses Galloway like he lost Jack all game and you give up the lead, in place of Nick actually rotating correctly
- Randle gets beat on effort plays by prozingis because he wouldn't box out or rotate
- Ruasell watches over trying to attack like how Lou was drawing fouls
If anyone is blaming Scott for anything tonight, hell its playing those kids and pulling hot hands Like he pulled Kobe in the first and Metta in the 4th |
It's easy to say what you're saying except did you account for the fact that NY also took out their subs? Today's bench was great, they outscored the NY bench. But both teams went back to their starters as expected. |
But it is not.
Russell the day before had the game of his young life and was benched for Lou because it's expected for Lou to close as he has all year.
Nick and Clarkson are night and day. Like him or not, Nick deserved to close this game and the game before on defense over Clarkson. Clarkson lost Jack all last game. Clarkson lost Galloway this game and gave them the lead. Nick didn't make boxscore stat numbers but he made the correct basketball plays. Nick dug in the paint, got back to his guy, closed out to shooters, and he boxed out on the glass while never leaking out in the second and fourth quarters when we built the lead with him,
Randle got out worked, just like with faried. He didn't box out, he didn't recover to Roy's man when Roy cane to help him. He simply took plays off. He didn't do fundamental work.
At no point was there a let up in the second or fourth quarter when you had 5/7 of Lou, Kobe, Nick, Metta, Black, Lance, Hibbert on the floor. They cut off the basketball, they boxed out, they didn't stack one side the floor, the closed to shooters, they dug down on post ups without actually leaving their guys wide open. They got stops with Melo on the floor. For all the hooplah, Kobe and Metta put more effort in to defending Melo than anyone of the kids did tonight their lesser match ups
Russell, Randle, and Clarkson should have watched that game from the bench in the fourth to actually be taught a lesson and so we win. Clarkson being his defensive effort isn't there, Randle being that he needs to cut and box out, and Russell needs to jaut know when to attack |
I agree Randle and Clarkson needs to improve their defense if Lakers want to win. Randle needs to box out. This is why Scott is losing his patience with the rookies. |
Randle, Clarkson, Kobe, Lou, Young and Russell ALL need to improve their defense and do the little things for us to win more. Cant expect Ron, Nance and Hibbert to do it all alone |
I think Young and Kobe play better defense compare to Clarkson. |
Maybe, maybe not, the point is that the whole teams needs to play better defense and rebound better. While they are at it a little more player and ball movement never hurt anyone. Some coaching would be nice too. |
All of the above.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
KyrieRubio
Starting Rotation
Joined: 20 Oct 2015
Posts: 149
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 6:34 pm Post subject: |
|
|
this was an awful game to watch for the most part.....
Knicks were bad, but we were worse down the stretch. Kobe jacked too many shots up, however, we were lucky that artest gave us 8 more points than expected and young scored decently.
Defense, defense, defense is still terrible, even against a pg that has had a terrible season so far.... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pio2u
Retired Number
Joined: 26 Dec 2012
Posts: 54570
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 6:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| KyrieRubio wrote: | this was an awful game to watch for the most part.....
Knicks were bad, but we were worse down the stretch. Kobe jacked too many shots up, however, we were lucky that artest gave us 8 more points than expected and young scored decently.
Defense, defense, defense is still terrible, even against a pg that has had a terrible season so far.... |
tru dat |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Kblo247!
Star Player
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 3813
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:14 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| defense wrote: | | ryan_c wrote: | | defense wrote: | | ryan_c wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | driver wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | 4th quarter
Lou Kobe Nick Lance Tarik
- Play good d, keep a lead, win the glass, and move the ball
Lou Nick Metta Lance Tarik
- keep that lead and play good ball
Lou Nick Metta Lance Hibbert
- keep that lead, play good team ball, cut, and Metta scores some
Insert Randle, Clarkson, Russell
- Clarkson loses Galloway like he lost Jack all game and you give up the lead, in place of Nick actually rotating correctly
- Randle gets beat on effort plays by prozingis because he wouldn't box out or rotate
- Ruasell watches over trying to attack like how Lou was drawing fouls
If anyone is blaming Scott for anything tonight, hell its playing those kids and pulling hot hands Like he pulled Kobe in the first and Metta in the 4th |
It's easy to say what you're saying except did you account for the fact that NY also took out their subs? Today's bench was great, they outscored the NY bench. But both teams went back to their starters as expected. |
But it is not.
Russell the day before had the game of his young life and was benched for Lou because it's expected for Lou to close as he has all year.
Nick and Clarkson are night and day. Like him or not, Nick deserved to close this game and the game before on defense over Clarkson. Clarkson lost Jack all last game. Clarkson lost Galloway this game and gave them the lead. Nick didn't make boxscore stat numbers but he made the correct basketball plays. Nick dug in the paint, got back to his guy, closed out to shooters, and he boxed out on the glass while never leaking out in the second and fourth quarters when we built the lead with him,
Randle got out worked, just like with faried. He didn't box out, he didn't recover to Roy's man when Roy cane to help him. He simply took plays off. He didn't do fundamental work.
At no point was there a let up in the second or fourth quarter when you had 5/7 of Lou, Kobe, Nick, Metta, Black, Lance, Hibbert on the floor. They cut off the basketball, they boxed out, they didn't stack one side the floor, the closed to shooters, they dug down on post ups without actually leaving their guys wide open. They got stops with Melo on the floor. For all the hooplah, Kobe and Metta put more effort in to defending Melo than anyone of the kids did tonight their lesser match ups
Russell, Randle, and Clarkson should have watched that game from the bench in the fourth to actually be taught a lesson and so we win. Clarkson being his defensive effort isn't there, Randle being that he needs to cut and box out, and Russell needs to jaut know when to attack |
I agree Randle and Clarkson needs to improve their defense if Lakers want to win. Randle needs to box out. This is why Scott is losing his patience with the rookies. |
Randle, Clarkson, Kobe, Lou, Young and Russell ALL need to improve their defense and do the little things for us to win more. Cant expect Ron, Nance and Hibbert to do it all alone |
I think Young and Kobe play better defense compare to Clarkson. |
Maybe, maybe not, the point is that the whole teams needs to play better defense and rebound better. While they are at it a little more player and ball movement never hurt anyone. Some coaching would be nice too. |
If you tell me going into a game even a couple years ago Kobe holds Melo 6/15 shooting vs him and steals it once while Artest holds Melo to 2/5 shooting, blocks his shot I'd be ecstatic.
That's the catch 22 people keep over looking here.
Clarkson started the Minnygame on Rubio, not Russell and got destroyed. Clarkson started the game on Rondo and got a statement made that said yall should have traded these picks for Cousins and sign me a year after acl surgery. Versus Dallas 4 guards go double digits, and Kobe/Nick only defended the 3's. Jack gave Clarkson the business for a stretch. Theres no reason Calderon should find his game vs us or Galloway should get open late.
Faried and Porzingis ate Randle alive off sheer effort and the fact he won't box out or do fundamental things. Yes he scored some vs Denver (so did Clarkson) but they gave it all back up freely on the other end plus more. Even Randle's offense could be easier, as could Clarkson.
Don't tell me you don't see a fundamental difference when Kobe is playing with Nick, Lou, Black, and LAnce and they all move and cut. He has hit Black for two point blank spoon fed dunks the past two games which is more than any kid handling the ball will do for Roy. He has hit Nance off the cut, Nick and Lou off pin downs, and all 5 of them are constantly moving. Lou and Nick have a chucker reputation, but when they are out there with Kobe or Metta they don't simply stand still or even dribble in a spot for 7-8 seconds at a time 25 feet out while not going anywhere or telling anyone to move.
Kobe and Nick were not getting torched a ton with the old defenseless rotations. They in the past two games haven't lost the lead when on the floor together with Lou (Nick and Lou haven't either with Metta) to start the second and fourth quarters. The letdowns of the lead have come off Clarkson being lazy and Randle just not doing fundamental stuff.
Even contrary to popular belief, they have all taken turns shooting to. Before we were down 8, in the last 5/6 minutes, Kobe took 3 shots, made free throws, and fouled Melo. In that same time Randle missed a shot, missed a 3, lost a board to Porzingis for trying to out jump him and fouled him out of spite, and had Porzingis bat a ball off him. Clarkson missed a 2, he missed a layup, he lost Galloway and left him wide open chasing him off the ball, he dribbled one possession down all by himself from 17 seconds to 6 before throwing it to Kobe to chuck a shot. Russell lost his handle, lost Calderon, and watched. They all equally took shots; it was the same in Brooklyn where Clarkson and Randle combined took more shots than Kobe. Both shot in the 30's tonight too on double digit attempts and did not play D but got rewarded for it by closing.
It makes no sense when it comes to the message Scott sends them. HE tells Nick do the little things or don't play, and Nick has done all the little things but can't crack the 18 minute mark for his life. Lou does them and today he got pulled when he was drawing fouls and having a better game than Russell and Clarkson both. Metta was leading by example and hitting shots, so there is no reason he couldn't be the one to actually box Poirzingis out late.
For every flaw people cite about Mike Brown, he had at least some feel for the game and tempo, possesions, and momentum as a coach ... Scott went with what he had setup before it even tipped down to Russell closing after the media bugged him about sitting the kid the game prior |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Practice
Star Player
Joined: 14 Apr 2015
Posts: 4551
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Lou Williams wasn't doing as much as you are implying and even then he's clearly the player Byron trusts the most after Kobe. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Kblo247!
Star Player
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 3813
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
They actually also won the rebounding battle whenever 5/7 of Lou, Kobe, Nick, MWP, LAnce, Roy, Black all were out there. They boxed out and did the little things to win it.
They lost it when the starting group played in all 4 periods. Again that is Randle not boxing his guy out, it's Clarkson not trying to hit the defensive glass as hard as he tries to follow his own shot and do tip dunks, and it's on Russ |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Kblo247!
Star Player
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 3813
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Practice wrote: | | Lou Williams wasn't doing as much as you are implying and even then he's clearly the player Byron trusts the most after Kobe. |
Lou drew 8 fouls this game, took 6 free throws, had 5 assists, was a +7, and did it in 21 minutes. Scott pulled him when he was making more plays, drawing more fouls, and defending better than out starting back court. He also was in constant motion even off the ball, much like Nick while Russell and Clarkson ball watched. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Practice
Star Player
Joined: 14 Apr 2015
Posts: 4551
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Kblo247! wrote: | | Practice wrote: | | Lou Williams wasn't doing as much as you are implying and even then he's clearly the player Byron trusts the most after Kobe. |
Lou drew 8 fouls this game, took 6 free throws, had 5 assists, was a +7, and did it in 21 minutes. Scott pulled him when he was making more plays, drawing more fouls, and defending better than out starting back court. He also was in constant motion even off the ball, much like Nick while Russell and Clarkson ball watched. |
Lou was 2-3 from the line tonight. You're probably looking at his 1-6 3 point shooting and context is important when it comes to +/-. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Kblo247!
Star Player
Joined: 05 Oct 2015
Posts: 3813
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Yeah my bad.
Also I'm harping on it because I saw Scott not hold Kyrie and Thompson responsible for anything yet pick Waiters out as his punching bag. HE also never sought to even correct or show them their bad habits |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kinein
Starting Rotation
Joined: 12 Jul 2014
Posts: 274
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Kblo247! wrote: |
It makes no sense when it comes to the message Scott sends them. HE tells Nick do the little things or don't play, and Nick has done all the little things but can't crack the 18 minute mark for his life. Lou does them and today he got pulled when he was drawing fouls and having a better game than Russell and Clarkson both. Metta was leading by example and hitting shots, so there is no reason he couldn't be the one to actually box Poirzingis out late.
|
Nicks on Scott's s*#$T list. Been so since last season. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jodeke
Retired Number
Joined: 17 Nov 2007
Posts: 67620
Location: In a world where admitting to not knowing something is considered a great way to learn.
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ryan_c wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | We will not become a contender until Kobe retires and Jim Buss gives up the reins. Laker fans prepare for a drought. |
Lakers will not be a contender with Randle and Clarkson's terrible defense. And it seems Russel and Clarkson does not fit well together. |
I place more blame for Clarkson and Randle's defensive ineptness on the defensive scheme and coaches than I do players.
I'm of the school defense is more a want to than a skill. The MWP's of the league are few and far between. You can count them on one hand and have fingers left.
You have to want to defend. You have to want to stop a player from scoring. You won't stop the Curry, Westbrook and Durant's of the league you can slow them down to an extent. e.g. Matthew Dellavadova vs Steph Curry. He didn't stop him completely he did give him fits for a game or two.
I think the Dubs ship was given more to the offense than it was defense I think it's defense has been swept under the rug. They were at or near the top of the league all year long in defense. They don't have any defensive players of real note. Their team defense was the cause.
IMO it's on Scott to impress on Russell and Clarkson the importance of defense. It's a chore in todays league of gargantuan proportions. Players come it thinking scoring will, and usually does, lead to large contracts. He also has to put in place a defensive scheme that works.
I don't think Scott is right for this team. Not piling it on, not saying he's not a good coach, he's proven he can coach, took the Nets to great heights. He's not what this team needs, IMO he doesn't have the wherewithal.
Patience is key for fans and players. I say
1) Retire Kobe. Let him go with some dignity.
2) Allow someone with basketball knowledge run the FO.
3)We have the means, cap space, money, and it's still Los Angeles. Use what we have wisely.
4) Stop the win now approach. We Laker fans have been there done that when it comes to rebuilding. (Though we're spoiled brats sometimes)
I've been a Laker fan since 1960. This season I've missed a game or two. I missed the NY loss because I forgot they were playing. I don't have the enthusiasm I had in years past and I don't think I'm alone.
I'm a long time Laker fan, a longer time basketball fan.
Back in the day, c'mon C M B,  I was a NY Knick fan. Sweet Water Clifton was the reason I started watching the game. Hated the Celtics then even though they were the first NBA team to start five African Americans.
I'm here to stay on the Laker Buss, not a typo.
_________________
Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pio2u
Retired Number
Joined: 26 Dec 2012
Posts: 54570
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| jodeke wrote: | | ryan_c wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | We will not become a contender until Kobe retires and Jim Buss gives up the reins. Laker fans prepare for a drought. |
Lakers will not be a contender with Randle and Clarkson's terrible defense. And it seems Russel and Clarkson does not fit well together. |
I place more blame for Clarkson and Randle's defensive ineptness on the defensive scheme and coaches than I do players.
I'm of the school defense is more a want to than a skill. The MWP's of the league are few and far between. You can count them on one hand and have fingers left.
You have to want to defend. You have to want to stop a player from scoring. You won't stop the Curry, Westbrook and Durant's of the league you can slow them down to an extent. e.g. Matthew Dellavadova vs Steph Curry. He didn't stop him completely he did give him fits for a game or two.
I think the Dubs ship was given more to the offense than it was defense I think it's defense has been swept under the rug. They were at or near the top of the league all year long in defense. They don't have any defensive players of real note. Their team defense was the cause.
IMO it's on Scott to impress on Russell and Clarkson the importance of defense. It's a chore in todays league of gargantuan proportions. Players come it thinking scoring will, and usually does, lead to large contracts. He also has to put in place a defensive scheme that works.
I don't think Scott is right for this team. Not piling it on, not saying he's not a good coach, he's proven he can coach, took the Nets to great heights. He's not what this team needs, IMO he doesn't have the wherewithal.
Patience is key for fans and players. I say
1) Retire Kobe. Let him go with some dignity.
2) Allow someone with basketball knowledge run the FO.
3)We have the means, cap space, money, and it's still Los Angeles. Use what we have wisely.
4) Stop the win now approach. We Laker fans have been there done that when it comes to rebuilding. (Though we're spoiled brats sometimes)
I've been a Laker fan since 1960. This season I've missed a game or two. I missed the NY loss because I forgot they were playing. I don't have the enthusiasm I had in years past and I don't think I'm alone.
I'm a long time Laker fan, a longer time basketball fan.
Back in the day, c'mon C M B, I was a NY Knick fan. Sweet Water Clifton was the reason I started watching the game. Hated the Celtics then even though they were the first NBA team to start five African Americans.
I'm here to stay on the Laker Buss, not a typo. |
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ryan_c
Star Player
Joined: 08 Dec 2007
Posts: 1371
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Kblo247! wrote: |
If you tell me going into a game even a couple years ago Kobe holds Melo 6/15 shooting vs him and steals it once while Artest holds Melo to 2/5 shooting, blocks his shot I'd be ecstatic.
That's the catch 22 people keep over looking here.
Clarkson started the Minnygame on Rubio, not Russell and got destroyed. Clarkson started the game on Rondo and got a statement made that said yall should have traded these picks for Cousins and sign me a year after acl surgery. Versus Dallas 4 guards go double digits, and Kobe/Nick only defended the 3's. Jack gave Clarkson the business for a stretch. Theres no reason Calderon should find his game vs us or Galloway should get open late.
Faried and Porzingis ate Randle alive off sheer effort and the fact he won't box out or do fundamental things. Yes he scored some vs Denver (so did Clarkson) but they gave it all back up freely on the other end plus more. Even Randle's offense could be easier, as could Clarkson.
Don't tell me you don't see a fundamental difference when Kobe is playing with Nick, Lou, Black, and LAnce and they all move and cut. He has hit Black for two point blank spoon fed dunks the past two games which is more than any kid handling the ball will do for Roy. He has hit Nance off the cut, Nick and Lou off pin downs, and all 5 of them are constantly moving. Lou and Nick have a chucker reputation, but when they are out there with Kobe or Metta they don't simply stand still or even dribble in a spot for 7-8 seconds at a time 25 feet out while not going anywhere or telling anyone to move.
Kobe and Nick were not getting torched a ton with the old defenseless rotations. They in the past two games haven't lost the lead when on the floor together with Lou (Nick and Lou haven't either with Metta) to start the second and fourth quarters. The letdowns of the lead have come off Clarkson being lazy and Randle just not doing fundamental stuff.
Even contrary to popular belief, they have all taken turns shooting to. Before we were down 8, in the last 5/6 minutes, Kobe took 3 shots, made free throws, and fouled Melo. In that same time Randle missed a shot, missed a 3, lost a board to Porzingis for trying to out jump him and fouled him out of spite, and had Porzingis bat a ball off him. Clarkson missed a 2, he missed a layup, he lost Galloway and left him wide open chasing him off the ball, he dribbled one possession down all by himself from 17 seconds to 6 before throwing it to Kobe to chuck a shot. Russell lost his handle, lost Calderon, and watched. They all equally took shots; it was the same in Brooklyn where Clarkson and Randle combined took more shots than Kobe. Both shot in the 30's tonight too on double digit attempts and did not play D but got rewarded for it by closing.
It makes no sense when it comes to the message Scott sends them. HE tells Nick do the little things or don't play, and Nick has done all the little things but can't crack the 18 minute mark for his life. Lou does them and today he got pulled when he was drawing fouls and having a better game than Russell and Clarkson both. Metta was leading by example and hitting shots, so there is no reason he couldn't be the one to actually box Poirzingis out late.
For every flaw people cite about Mike Brown, he had at least some feel for the game and tempo, possesions, and momentum as a coach ... Scott went with what he had setup before it even tipped down to Russell closing after the media bugged him about sitting the kid the game prior |
Excellent post. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pio2u
Retired Number
Joined: 26 Dec 2012
Posts: 54570
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Bryon snatched defeat from the jaws of victory AGAIN  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
