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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:49 pm    Post subject: HEAT -at- LAKERS - 11-10-15 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

Slow Start Continues… With Kobe resting because of back issues, the Lakers moved Metta World Peace into the starting lineup. This was an opportunity for the young guys to step up and fill the void.

Jordan Clarkson struggled with that, introduced to the interior dominance of Hassan Whiteside (19 points, 15 boards, 3 blocks) more than once. Julius Randle got outworked by Chris Bosh, who went off for 30 points on 16 shots. And while D’Angelo Russell played spirited D, moved the ball well, probably wasn’t aggressive enough offensively, but got to watch from the bench for the rest of the night after his first stint despite containing Dragic.

Despite Metta and Nick Young raining 9 threes, a few things hurt the Lakers: Whiteside’s presence on both ends (7 offensive boards early on). The 7 Laker turnovers in the third quarter.

And with the game in the balance, Scott bringing in Brandon Bass for Tarik Black in the fourth. That killed them for good. The game slipped from their reach, and the Lakers fell 101-88.

“When we did a good job of moving the ball, we made great shots,” Scott said. “We didn’t make them all but we got good shots. When the game gets tougher, we seem to go one on one and beat ‘em by ourselves, and we can’t do that.”

With or without Kobe, the Lakers certainly aren’t beating anyone right now. They started the game slow once again and continued their slow start to the season – their record now just 1-6.


Clarkson -- -- He got rejected a number of times trying to attack the paint. Whiteside was patrolling the paint and tracking him down with ease. There was more opportunity for him to be aggressive with Kobe out, but he wasn’t efficient, scoring just 12 points on 16 shots. Not a good night. Clarkson had 3 turnovers and wasn’t on the same page with Russell on a couple of plays. Defensively, it felt like Wade played a much better game than the stats showed. He scored just 12 and had 6 assists. No assists for Clarkson. The Stats: He scored 12 points on 6-16 shooting (0-2 from three) to go with 2 boards, 2 steals, 3 turnovers and 1 foul in 31 minutes. He was a -17. The Action: He missed a wing three. He couldn’t finish a layup around Whiteside. He missed a layup in transition and wanted the foul. Good hands on the speedy pass from Randle to take it for a layup on the break. He put the brakes on, let his man fly by and then hit the 16-footer. He was called for a travel after losing the ball. He missed a three, then made a bad decision to goaltend a layup off glass that might not have fallen. He swished a leaning pull-up elbow jumper. He was picked by the help D on the probe. Good effort going to the floor to recover a loose ball at midcourt. He put on the brakes just as Russell was passing to him, and he couldn’t recover it (would have been a dunk). His layup was swatted. He missed the 18-footer, got it back and missed the floater, then gave up an And-1 to Wade on the other end. He scored a layup off the bounce pass from Russell on the break. He scored 8 points. Second Half: He scored a layup cutting off Russell’s probe (more cuts please). He hit the jumper off the Russell-Randle passing sequence. He couldn’t finish a layup around the challenge. He was rejected on a drive. He was blocked on a floater.

Randle -- -- Bosh went off for 30 points and 11 boards. Randle was torched. He’s seeing players for the first time and looks it. Not thrilled about the missed box outs when the Heat are killing us on the offensive glass. He still led the team with 7 defensive boards. One way to score without the D being able to sag off you in the half court sets is get out on the break (see Blake Griffin’s first seasons) and make things happen. He had a few instances of that. He missed a few jumpers, including a three tonight. He did sink a step-back elbow jumper. If he can at least make that with consistency that will cause a lot of problems. “I saw what I normally saw,” Randle said. He said he was “extremely comfortable” with his shot. The Stats: He scored 7 points on 2-6 shooting (0-1 from three, 3-5 from the line) to go with 7 boards, 4 assists, 2 turnovers and 3 fouls in 26 minutes. He was a -19. The Action: Poor box out and he gave up a foul on a putback attempt. He missed a long jumper in early offense. He pushed out the break and fed Clarkson for the layup. He pushed out the board again next time down and drew FTs, he made both. He faced up at the elbow, attacked, took contact and scored the And-1 layup, he missed the FT. Tough pass for Hibbert to catch at full speed on the break, turnover. He attacked right, took contact and fell with no call on his airball. He pushed out the rebound and it led to a Laker layup. He missed a good look at a three at the end of the half. Second Half: He swished a step-back elbow jumper to start the half. He missed a wing jumper. Bosh scored on a series of plays. Nice extra pass instead of settling for a jumper and it led to a Clarkson jumper. He attacked off the dribble and threw it away, too low to Hibbert. He kicked out to Metta for a three. He was fouled on the jumphook out of the post for FTs.

Russell -- -- He didn’t play the fourth quarter, just a single stint in the second half. He actually played really well on the defensive end. Dragic had just 4 points and I know at least 2 of those weren’t against him. I don’t recall the other 2 points. But he kept him contained, recovered well with his length when he had to and didn’t give up anything easy. One of his better defensive outings of the season and it seems like he’s improving there bit by bit. Frankly, with the good D and ball movement, it’s puzzling why he didn’t play more. You wish he was more aggressive offensively (especially with Kobe out), but it will come with time. He teamed up with Metta on a great passing sequence that led to a Metta dunk. “Just got to keep working,” Russell said. He didn’t know why he didn’t get more minutes. The Stats: He scored 4 points on 2-6 shooting (0-1 from three) to go with 4 boards, 4 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnover and 1 foul in 21 minutes. He was a -20. The Action: He sank a 17-footer off the handoff at the top of the key. He deflected a pass and fed Clarkson on the break, who didn’t finish. He missed a jumper out of a timeout. Sweet feed to Metta cutting, right behind the defender’s head to Metta, who dumped it off to Hibbert for the dunk (no assist for Russell but he made that play). He missed a corner three. He missed a tough jumper sandwiched between defenders on the right wing. Clarkson put on the brakes just as Russell passed it to him on the break and it went out of bounds, turnover Russell, but that should have been a dunk if Clarkson just continued to the hoop. He missed a wing jumper on iso. He hit a man on the break for the layup. Second Half: He probed off a screen and whipped a pass to a cutting Clarkson for a layup (need to see more of this when Russell has the ball in his hands). Attack across the lane and he hit the runner. Bad pass in transition, too far ahead of Clarkson in early offense. Another turnover to Clarkson, who this time again didn’t go to the hoop and we blew another sure layup.

Hibbert -- -- We got killed by Whiteside, who finished with 19 points and 15 boards (7 offensive). Hibbert had just 2 rebounds, he has to do more than that, but we also need to rebound and help better behind him. “If we get broken down or whatever it may be and Roy’s coming over, we got to help him,” Randle said. “We just didn’t do it. Eventually, it’s got to click. We’re going to have to play for each other.” Scott later went with Bass at C again instead of Hibbert. That was awful. Might have been the night to orchestrate a little more of the Hibbert jumpshot game to pull Whiteside away from the paint more. But we tend not to think like that. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-3 shooting to go with 2 boards, 3 assists, 3 blocks, 2 turnovers and 2 fouls in 24 minutes. He was a -25. The Action: Horrible pass to Metta who just backdoored his man and it went out of bounds. He gave up a reverse on the other end to his man without a challenge. He found Metta out of the triangle for a layup. He dunked off the Russell-Metta two-man sequence that set him up. He missed the hook in the post. He blocked a shot, but fouled trying to recover on his man to block that, too. Great help D rejection. Second Half: He missed a hook across the lane.

World Peace -- -- He was on fire from the perimeter, making all four of the threes he took. He just looked automatic and did a great job squaring up. “I don’t really care about making shots. The only thing that matters is winning,” Metta said. He went through all the little things you can do to win a game besides hitting shots. He’s definitely brought a lot of those hustle plays, as well, the last couple games. “I thought Metta played extremely well,” Scott said. The starters could have used a little more team rebounding. Metta didn’t have a board. The Stats: He scored 14 points on 5-7 shooting (4-4 from three) to go with 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 22 minutes. He was a -17. The Action: He blocked a shot on help D. He scored a layup out of the triangle when Hibbert found him. He helped on a guard, then recovered to Bosh to block a layup. His layup was rejected. Great dump off pass to Hibbert after Russell’s even better feed to Metta cutting and it led to a dunk. He sank an open wing three in early offense. He swished a three off the split play at the left wing. He scored 8 points on 3-4 shooting. Second Half: He missed a sideline jumper with a man on. He swiped a bad pass in the middle of the lane. He swished a wing three in early offense. He stepped out of bounds trying to create out of a timeout when the play busted. He let a man fly by on the kickout and drained the sideline three.

Williams -- -- Just he and Randle went to the line tonight as they shot just 12 FTs from the line. Very uncharacteristic of this team. Whiteside may have had something to do with that. Nice to see Lou starting out the game by working that two-man game to Black for a dunk. More of that, please. Those two are developing a little bit of chemistry and need to keep exploring that. The Stats: He scored 14 points on 3-11 shooting (2-5 from three, 6-7 from the line) to go with 4 boards, 3 assists, 2 turnovers and 3 fouls in 26 minutes. He was a -1. The Action: He worked the two-man game to Black for a dunk. He suckered his man into a foul on a three, he made two FTs. He was blocked on a three trying to draw FTs, got it back, probed and set up Nance for the dunk. He worked the clock down to 2 seconds and drained the three at the end of the quarter. He missed a baseline pull-up jumper. He hit Nick in transition for the jumper. He missed an open wing jumper. Second Half: He missed a floater on a probe. He stepped on the baseline on a drive, turnover. Same situation, this time not stepping out and he hit Nick in the opposite corner for the three. He missed a long three trailing the break. No effort to box out and we gave up two FTs at the end of the quarter. He attacked down the lane, missed the flip in, but followed it up and scored the putback. He airballed a corner three. He missed a layup on a drive he should have finished. He drew FTs on a pull-up jumper, he made both. He swished a wing three on the Young kickout. He got tapped on a wing three on his next attempt. He was fouled in transition for FTs, he made both. He ran into Randle and gave up a layup to Dragic.

Black -- -- In just 14 minutes, he was a +16. That number stands out in that no one else was even close to that. Part of that was not having to deal with Whiteside, but give Black credit. Good job hitting the boards, hustling, boxing out. He and Lou worked the two-man game for a dunk. We should have explored that more. When we subbed him out for Bass, the game slipped away for good. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-2 shooting to go with 7 boards, 1 block and 4 fouls in 14 minutes. He was a +16. The Action: He dunked off the two-man game with Lou. He pulled down an offensive board and it led to Nick’s three. No help on a drive. He missed a lob dunk on the other end. Second Half: He rejected a layup on a great recovery.

Young -- -- Nick was on fire off the bench and helped the Lakers to a lead in the second quarter after falling behind badly early. He was sinking threes and letting the offense come to him. Good job not forcing things. Our two SFs, Metta and Nick, made 9 threes. That helped keep the Lakers in the game before it eventually went south. “It’s tough to try to constantly come back,” Nick said. The Stats: He scored 17 points on 6-13 shooting (5-9 from three) to go with 2 boards, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 1 turnover and no fouls in 26 minutes. He was a +4. The Action: He swished a wing three on a kickout from Black. He sank a corner three on the Huertas kickout. He nearly lost the dribble, got it back and sank the three from the top of the arc. He attacked Winslow and hit the pull-up elbow jumper. He sank a pull-up in three transition. He was stripped probing the paint next time down. He missed a pull-up in the lane. He swatted his man’s drive. He attacked and was blocked out of bounds. He had 14 points on 5-7 shooting (4-4 from three). Second Half: He sank a corner three on the kickout from Williams. He missed a pull-up three in transition. He missed a pull-up 35-foot heave at the end of the quarter. He missed a three out of a timeout. He missed a pull-up 18-footer. He missed a wing three. He kicked out to Williams for a three.

Nance -- -- Steady minutes again from Larry. He hit the boards and rotated and helped well on D. Nice to see a couple dunk finishes from him, especially husting out in transition for one. He needs to outwork his man more like that with consistency. He sank one of this three jumper attempts (he airballed one of them). The Stats: He scored 6 points on 3-5 shooting to go with 3 boards, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 20 minutes. He was a +4. The Action: He slammed off the drive and dish from Lou. He missed a 16-footer off the two-man game. He sank a baseline jumper off the Huertas feed. Second Half: He airballed an 18-footer. Good job getting out on the break and Huertas hit him for the dunk.

Huertas -- -- With Kobe out and Metta moving to the starting lineup, we added Huertas back in the mix on the bench. He had some cringe-worthy moments out there to go along with some very good plays. It was very much hit or miss with him. He got crossed over badly for a Heat highlight score on one play. He also hit his bigs for a few dunks for Laker highlights. The 3 turnovers in 15 minutes, however, were not pretty. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-3 shooting to go with 2 offensive boards, 4 assists, 1 steal and 3 turnovers in 15 minutes. He was a +8. The Action: He kicked out to Nick for the corner three. He probed the scrambling D and hit Nance for the open baseline jumper. He was blocked trying to create on the perimeter with the shotclock low. Second Half: Not close on a one-foot pull-up from the elbow. He no-looked to Nance weakside on the break for a dunk. He looked foolish on the D end a few seconds later, getting crossed over badly for an And-1 layup. He sank a wild spinning, one-footer from 17 feet out with plenty of time on the clock. His jump pass was picked off and that got him benched for Clarkson. Back in for garbage time, he outlet to Bass for a dunk. His outlet was picked off next time. Horrible pass, easily picked off and taken for a missed highlight dunk. He hit Bass trailing the break for a dunk.

A. Brown -- -- He came in for a few minutes of garbage time. I thought we might have gone with him instead of Huertas with Metta starting. We’ve had Lou run the point lately, but we went the other way. The Stats: He didn’t score or shoot and had 1 steal in 3 minutes. He was a +4. The Action: He did not play in the first half. Second Half: Nothing to report.

Kelly -- -- Just garbage time action for Kelly. Somehow I missed noting his score. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-2 shooting to go with 1 board in 2 minutes. He was a +2. The Action: He did not play in the first half. Second Half: He missed a layup on a drive.

Bass -- -- Just awful defensively when he came in the game. Part of that was just bad ball by him, another part was just being too small to make an impact. The worst was probably the transition D breakdown where he marked a man on D all the way down court, then left him to go cover no one and it led to a layup. Both a lack of communication and lack of a plan. He got some garbage time points when the game was already over. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 3-3 shooting to go with 2 boards and 3 fouls in 10 minutes. He was a -4. The Action: He did not play in the first half. Second Half: He gave up an And-1 layup on the challenge. Two more FTs for Bosh on his drive. He gave up an offensive board, then fouled again. He left his man to go cover no one and gave up a layup in transition, wow. Timeout off that. He scored a short jumper in the paint. He dunked on the break. He dunked trailing the break in the final minute.

Scott -- -- No Kobe, so Metta got the start at SF… The Lakers trailed 15-4 to start the game. Standard opening… Lakers were getting killed on the glass on D (a 7-0 advantage for the Heat on the offensive glass early)… Down 20-10, he sat Randle with 5 minutes left when he picked up his second foul. Black in for Hibbert, Williams for Russell… Nick in for Metta, Lakers down 9… They trailed 29-23 after the first quarter… To start the second quarter, he went with the Black, Nance, Young, Williams, Huertas lineup. Huertas for Kobe’s usual minutes in the last couple games… They tied it up 32-32, Nick hitting threes… They forced a timeout, leading 36-33. An 18-3 Laker run… Hibbert in for Black… Up 3, he sat Huertas for Russell… Score tied with Randle in for Nance… All starters in shortly later, score still tied… The Lakers trailed 50-49 at the half. Whiteside causing issues for them on both ends (15 points, 12 boards). The Heat shot just 38 percent, but had 12 offensive boards. The Lakers made 7-11 from three and had 11 assists… Down 3, he sat Russell for Williams… They quickly trailed by 9 and Scott called a timeout… He sat Metta, Hibbert and Randle for Young, Black and Nance down 8… Huertas in for Clarkson… The Lakers trailed 75-66 heading into the fourth… He brought in Bass for Black, Lakers down 9... He called a timeout down 12. Same unit and they gave up a turnover and dunk out of that. Well done. This stretch did the Lakers in for good… Clarkson in for Huertas… Randle in for Nance, Lakers down 15… Williams out for Brown with 3 minutes left… Huertas in for Clarkson… Kelly for Randle. Yay, Kelly-Bass combo. At least it’s in garbage time, but the Heat lead doubled quickly when Bass came in during the fourth…
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:53 pm    Post subject:

These games are getting depressing.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:59 pm    Post subject:

mhan00 wrote:
These games are getting depressing.

The first unit digs holes too deep for the second unit to bail us out.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:06 pm    Post subject:

s_habe wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
These games are getting depressing.

The first unit digs holes too deep for the second unit to bail us out.


If Lakers want to win they need to bench one of the trio. I will start Nance(MWC Defensive Player of the Year 2015) over Randle. Nance can space the floor better with his jump shot and will provide help defense to Hibbert. This will also allow Russell to have the ball more.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:09 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:13 pm    Post subject:

Huertas can pass, but he's slow and can't shoot. He's fun to watch when he completes his passes, but it appears there is a very good reason why he's never been in the NBA before.

Not sure what is going on with Russell's minutes. He can't get in the game in the fourth when the game is close, and he can't get in when it's a blowout. Who cares if it's a blowout? He needs reps. Russell did play brief crunch time minutes in a previous game, so maybe this is an indication that Scott plans to have Russell in when the game is on the line? I hope so.

It's looking like Randle has been scouted. He needs to develop his off hand and consistently hit that j.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:14 pm    Post subject:

s_habe wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
These games are getting depressing.

The first unit digs holes too deep for the second unit to bail us out.


The kids are not bringing the intensity to start the game, and we have a defensive center that can't rebound anyways, thanks DB
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:16 pm    Post subject:

I saw this tweet.
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D’Angelo Russell on playing late in games: "I’ve got to figure out what I’m doing wrong so I can correct it.”

Byron explain why?

“No."
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Isnt it Scott's job to tell or at least help him?


He's going to stunt that kid's growth.

Infuriarating coach.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:33 pm    Post subject:

mhan00 wrote:
These games are getting depressing.


And unwatchable.

I'm afraid the Lakers are creating a loser environment. No direction, crazy substitution patterns, bad philosophy, selfish play and coaching.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:48 pm    Post subject:

Williams and Bass were obviously struggling and making matters worse in the 2nd half. There were quite a few ball stoppages and timeouts and I almost kicked my TV when I saw BOTH those guys were still being left in the freaking game.

Unbelievable. I think Clarkson is feeling himself a little too much and needs to relax a bit. He's trying to do too much out there sometimes. I feel bad for D-Lo.... these dropped passes and this idiot coach not giving him any run is going to regress his game. He thinks its his fault, so he's going to play timid.

Randle was a complete non-factor.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:00 am    Post subject:

THX DB. GO LAKERS.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:12 am    Post subject:

PLATNUM wrote:

Unbelievable. I think Clarkson is feeling himself a little too much and needs to relax a bit. He's trying to do too much out there sometimes. I feel bad for D-Lo.... these dropped passes and this idiot coach not giving him any run is going to regress his game. He thinks its his fault, so he's going to play timid.

Randle was a complete non-factor.


Clarkson needs to call Nash. This is the same situation as last year. He needs to make the game slow down a bit. Nash helped him with that well.

The DLO situation is the same as with Clarkson last year. This is Scott for you. Evereybody wanted to see Clarkson play, but Scott decided it is not a good thing to dobefore the midseason. Same thing with DLO. Scott has decided he should not play at the end of the game. No reasoning needed.

I would have liked to see Bass to come in for Randle this game. Maby help out in rebounding and D. To try at least and let him play his true position. But again - Scott has decided Bass should only play C. Go figure...

I was waiting for Marcelo last game against Knicks. Instead of Kobe with a second unit (we had Kobe-Lou-Nick trio out there and out of sync). Mixed feelings today as he set up some good jumpers, but then this all gets wasted on D. I would not blame him for TOs too much. These come with lack of playing time and would go away if he got a chance to get accustomed. Was it the first regular season game for Marcelo?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:23 am    Post subject:

Byron did say that when he was planning to bring DLO back, they were down 18 points with 4 minutes left and didn't see the point to bring him back. He didn't play much less than most of the starters outside of JC

For those who want the rookies to play - these type of games will be a regular occurrence while showing why Kobe should be in the lineup. KG has settled down the young players to a winning record (so far, since it will not last)

The three young players have been scouted resulting in their strengths being limited forcing them to have counters and learn the high level of execution that is needed to play with the "Big Boys"
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:49 am    Post subject:

Thanks, DB.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:53 am    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
these type of games will be a regular occurrence while showing why Kobe should be in the lineup.


Is it really showing?
I have not seen anything so far this season to argue that Kobe should be in the lineup with the youngsters. This game would have been the same or even worse (considering how well Metta played) with Kobe out there.
How exactly has he helped?

If anybody, it should be Metta there in the starting 5. We would still be loosing by 10 in five minutes. But maybe they'll learn some defensive attitude.
For the future - use A. Brown instead.
For the confidence buidling - swap rookies to come off the bench for a change. In order for them to face some weaker opponents.

But Scott has even bigger picture. He is heading straight towards keeping the pick.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:55 am    Post subject:

Seven games so far....

- Larry Nance Jr. is standing up as the most pleasant surprise. He has plenty of size, and already showing he can be a real contributor. More minutes, please...
- Marcelinho Huertas. Pre-season game was a fluke. He has played mostly in FC Barcelona (I live 60miles from there) and I can assure that every now and then he can have a great game, but more than often you´ll get what you´ve seen these last games. Not NBA caliber material, at least not at his actual age. Wasted roster space.
- Robert Sacre. Not even a benchwarmer. I still cannot see why he was choosen over Robert Upshaw, team chemistry aside.
- Ryan Kelly. I think he has to play under determined conditions and teammates to be effective. Never with Bass at center, that´s doomed to failure.
All the way, he is our 3rd/4th PF (behind Randle and Nance, at least)
- Brandon Bass. He´s a PF, not a C. It´suicidal for an undersized PF to man the C. Again, a 3rd/4th string Pf in this roster.


A few toughts:

Byron Scott has to be more creative with this roster, because it has plenty of flexibility, except the C position ( where he wrongly uses that flexibilty with Bass...heck, even Sacre is better fit than Bass at C).

Young can open space for the kids, play him with them more often

Can Randle play some SF? Alongside Nance?

Unleash D' Angelo !!! He´ll be a better passer if he shots more...yeah, sounds crazy, but probably that will open the game....

Kobe as the backup SG in the second unit ?? With Metta and Lou? Playing closer to the basket instead of chucking threes in an paint over-crowded startint line-up ??

Has anybody tought of a better Hibbert usage ??

Lou Williams as backup PG full time...also JC....no Huertas, please
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:54 am    Post subject:

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Scott later went with Bass at C again instead of Hibbert. That was awful. Might have been the night to orchestrate a little more of the Hibbert jumpshot game to pull Whiteside away from the paint more. But we tend not to think like that.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:00 am    Post subject:

First game we've had that we were really overmatched from a talent perspective. Not down on the loss. The rotations however...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:39 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:55 am    Post subject:

I'm just really happy that Kobe didn't play so we didn't have to watch him shoot poorly, and the young guys had more time out there to show their stuff. It's terrible why Kobe has the gall to keep playing, and how he's holding these young guys back, and...

Oops. Never mind.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:29 am    Post subject:

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A Mad Chinaman wrote:
these type of games will be a regular occurrence while showing why Kobe should be in the lineup.


Is it really showing?
I have not seen anything so far this season to argue that Kobe should be in the lineup with the youngsters. This game would have been the same or even worse (considering how well Metta played) with Kobe out there.
How exactly has he helped?

If anybody, it should be Metta there in the starting 5. We would still be loosing by 10 in five minutes. But maybe they'll learn some defensive attitude.
For the future - use A. Brown instead.
For the confidence buidling - swap rookies to come off the bench for a change. In order for them to face some weaker opponents.

But Scott has even bigger picture. He is heading straight towards keeping the pick.
Yes, the signs are definitely there that Kobe should be on the floor to teach the kids on how to WIN.

Should Kobe play 30+ MPG like his last two games - NO

He has helped by slowing down the game, his presence has a calming effect, his passing has help the offense flow, he demands a doubleteam and he is a coach on the floor but he needs to play around 25MPG.

There is a reason why teams like the 76ers who are committed a very young team keeps losing despite having high/lottery draft picks playing major PT and still not winning. Westbrook's rookie season (with KD) went 3-29 but Laker fans will not tolerate that
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:52 am    Post subject:

With or without Kobe it wouldn't have mattered. Would have been a loss.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:06 am    Post subject:

the most glaring thing in the boxscore, I did not see the game, Hibbert 24 mins, 2pts, 2 rbds....What????
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:43 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
With or without Kobe it wouldn't have mattered. Would have been a loss.
"Victories" this season would also include the growth of DLO, Randle, Clarkson and Nance (which did not happen).

Even with Kobe out, the team reverted to doing consecutive ISOs instead of executing their offense (mistakes or not) during crunch/critical times

As the NBA season has already shown, there will always be surprises
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:36 pm    Post subject:

That's on the coach though. With or without Kobe we're still running ISOs down the stretch. It's just that when Kobe sits, someone else is doing the ISOing
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