Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:27 pm Post subject: How does a team stop Golden State?
This isn't even me getting caught up in the hype. It hasn't been hype in a long time. It's reality.
I honestly want to know how does a team game plan for the Warriors? What exactly do you have to do to try to beat them? This team legitimately has the potential to be a dynasty, especially since the team is filled with young guys How do you think the Lakers should rebuild to match what GS is doing + surpass them in the future.
Also I'd like to add, I think San Antonio is the only team that can match up with GS. Two bigs to possibly offset GS going small, two top of the line perimeter defenders to bother Curry/Klay.
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: How does a team stop Golden State?
akk7 wrote:
This isn't even me getting caught up in the hype. It hasn't been hype in a long time. It's reality.
I honestly want to know how does a team game plan for the Warriors? What exactly do you have to do to try to beat them? This team legitimately has the potential to be a dynasty, especially since the team is filled with young guys How do you think the Lakers should rebuild to match what GS is doing + surpass them in the future.
Also I'd like to add, I think San Antonio is the only team that can match up with GS. Two bigs to possibly offset GS going small, two top of the line perimeter defenders to bother Curry/Klay.
The Lakers are a ways from thinking about matching up. All we can do is accumulate as much talent as possible.
I think a healthy Cleveland can match up too. Remember they gave GS a good run last year without their 2nd and 3rd best players.
That said, GS looks like it could easily be a threepeat team.
Well a team would need D'angelo russell to smother Seth Curry, and keep him from scoring. Maybe he'll shoot 0-12 or something like that.
A team would also need a legit two way player like Nick Young to counter Klay Thompson. Nick Young is Klay Thompson with a better mindset, he knows how to have fun. We all know having fun on the court is why teams win. Just look at all those Lebron James teams.
A legitimate center that can run and play solid defense like Brandon Bass. His presence alone keeps players out of the paint.
I think Lakers will match up well with them in the finals.
Golden State is the most devastating regular season team I've seen since the '96 Bulls. I won't be surprised a bit if they win 70. If they don't, it will probably be due to injuries. How the heck do you get ready to play them with only a day or two preparation time?
Having said that, a seven-game playoff series is a different ballgame. That's when teams have time to scheme for them and to get used to playing against that style. They aren't like the three-peat Lakers with Kobe and Snaq, or one of the better Spurs teams. You can get physical with them over seven games. That's what the Cavs did, and they had a 2-1 lead even without Irving and Love.
If healthy, I'd book them as the favorites for the title. But it isn't a foregone conclusion like it was in '96.
i think the lakers championship squad can beat the warriors. they are playing small ball very well during a time where there really are no big teams...maybe the grizzlies are as big as it gets. But consider the 2010 lakers...pau, bynum, odom, plus kobe. i think that can beat the warriors.
people forget bynum was probably the best center in the game at the time, he was awesome. pau was skill-wise the best big man in the game, and odom was the most versatile 7 footer in the game. all on the same team. plus kobe to boot. the only 7 footer that was good in the league missing from the team was duncan/garnett and maybe dwight (ok, exaggerating a little, lol).
you need a skilled, big team to beat the warriors. or you need small ball that is better than what they got. but good luck finding something better than curry plus thompson, plus the other shooters are no slouches.
you have to stop their threes somehow. you can do it with length and athleticism, but you also need good offense on your own basket also. curry won't be able to score like mj or kobe if he doesn't have room to work. thompson can, but he's not as agile as curry. so you want to pressure curry, and force thompson to rescue the team. it can be done, but i can't tell right now which team can do it. it's all about the threes for them...the three point shot can go away so quickly, it's a very delicate thing to hitch your wagon on. and as good as curry is, i dont think he's good enough to create a dynasty off his three point shot. he'll be the first if he does.
in the finals, mozgov was playing like a superstar against them (i often thought he was playing better than lebron overall). the big can beat the warriors. you just need more of it.
Run them off the 3pt line. That's their life line. They drive to kick to spot up shooters. Traditional defenses want to give up the 3pt shot, but this is playing into this squads hands. They want to increase the PPP and go high paced. Stay glue to Curry and those screens he goes through the other defenders have to show each and every time. You give up the attempted pass to the roll man.
On the other end teams have to slow their own offensive pace down. Force them to defend for the majority of the shot clock and get a SHOT UP. Preferably not a bad shot. The worse thing an opposing team can do is try to match them in a 3pt shootout and play at a hot mess fast pace that'll lead to turnovers. That'll be instant lights out for them. They feed off that.
Memphis is missing perimeter threats. They have the inside to abuse the Warriors and play the pace they want but they have nobody to spread the floor that's why they had a difficult time late in the series last year and this year look even worse.
Cavs had it right in the Finals. They just couldn't seal the deal in the 1st two games and their depth of talent caught up with them.
It would've been intriguing to see them matchup with either the Spurs or the Clippers last year. Maybe we'll get to see that this year.
It's a tough task, that Warriors team forces you to change up traditional defensive conventions you're not use to, instinctually and logically.
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Take notice of their 3pt success. It's outrageously high when their guys are just taking set shot 3's. They need to be challenged and forced to put the ball down. Force them to beat you in the paint. Can't lose sight of the guy you're guarding. They move so well off the ball and know exactly where to go for their hot spots with each and everyone on the court knowing exactly where that other guy is going to be. That's next level crack chemistry lol.
Not going to completely stop them but hope to slow them down by frustrating them. Take the joy out of all the Steph 3 celebrations.
They remind me a ton of the MDA Suns but with better defense.
GSW has put together quite a puzzle. It'll be interesting to see what kind of team or style of play is the antidote. As good as they are offensively, what many tend to forget about is how good they are on the other side of the ball. Their defense allows them to withstand cold shooting spells, which inevitably happens to everyone.
Credit to their front office for finding the right pieces to complement Curry. He can do some amazing things with the ball in his hands; but at any given time, there seems to be 2 other guys on the floor that are versatile enough to relieve him of ball handling duties, that can create plays, and run fast breaks. That allows him to utilize the Allen/Miller role playing off screens, or be a simple catch & shoot guy. Deadly with and without the ball. And the sharpshooting Thompson is almost the perfect guy to have next to Curry. Overall, they play unselfishly and defend. Tough code to crack. _________________ Smrek 2, Nevitt 1, Barkley 0
Slow the pace of the game. Post up a big Center and get Green in foul trouble. Limit 2nd chance baskets, no offensive rebounds for the Warriors. Make Curry work on the defensive end.
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:27 am Post subject:
I thought this was going to be San Antonio's year, but GSW is looking like a repeat team. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:49 am Post subject:
Bulls and OKC are the only team I can see beating GS in a playoff series (right now).
Clippers would be on the list as well, but they don't have a capable backup to keep the offense the same when CP3 rests in the rotation.
They should've never let Collison go years back. Austin Rivers falls during dribble moves every nationally televised game I've seen. That's going to bite them in the ass come playoff time. Even if they find what Stephenson and Pierce can do consistently for them. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
Slow the game down, more post ups and lots of crashing the glass. Make it a physical game, a game where possessions are longer than GST wants.
GST had most trouble when CLE used it's size against them, and same with MEM. Neither MEM or CLE had the same talent as GST (Considering last year's Cavs were bacically without Irving/Love) but they were able to push GST. GST countered with even smaller more speedy lineups.
What a team has to do is actually have the skill like the Lakers had in their ring years - or the Spurs had when TD was in prime. I think in a 7 game setting, Lakers or those Spurs teams take out GST in 6 games.
But right now, I don't think even CLE can beat GST, although if SAN peaks at the right time they have the type of talent to actually do what I was suggesting. The one team I think that can actually beat the Warriors is SAN, but that'll only happen if they have Duncan, LMA, Leonard etc. all peaking together at the same time.
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