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This is the reason for BLM. Their movement is misunderstood. It's about how LEO treat Black people. If young White men were killed at the same proportion as young Black men WLM would be the call to arms.
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I just found out the guy beat up his girlfriend in the street, then beat up on the paramedics who responded to his girlfriend's injuries, and then assaulted cops
His life didn't even matter to him, so if BLM™ is going to use him as a martyr, they'll destroy the message even further. Here's them doing it by blocking the freeway:
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/11/16/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-i-94-in-minneapolis/
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Do you have a link for the bolded?
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 Great example. I wish monies raised by BLM organizations would be used in a similar manner.
It doesn't address my believing BLM is misunderstood. It's main purposes is to highlight the unjustified shooting of Blacks by LEO.
When groups organize to bring attention to bring BLM the protests sometimes get out of hand. Sometime fault is the groups, others is the actions of LEO.
Attention shifts from the true cause blame shifts to people Shaqin a fool. The cause is lost in translation.
Again, great example. Daps to the Bell family.
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Really? So if you're a bad guy who got arrested, shooting you after you're in cuffs doesn't matter? |
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Agree they aren't misunderstood. THere is just a large resistance to what they are saying, and to the fact that they are a bit too "uppity" and aggressive for some, but that's mostly because of the first thing. |
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Really? So if you're a bad guy who got arrested, shooting you after you're in cuffs doesn't matter? |
C'mon man. Everyone knows the penalty for being an arsehole is a death sentence. Pfff...
And backtalking a figure of authority carries a penalty of summary castration.
Disregarding the instructions of an authority figure caries the penalty of bludgeoning.
Looking an authority figure in the eye in a disrespectful manner carries the penalty of being drawn & quartered. 
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| FWIW, a large number of people opposed MLK's movement and used the same issues. |
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| Agree or disagree with the BLM movement, at the very least it has brought attention to the amount of deaths at the hands of LEO, which from what I understand isn't a stat that is documented by local agencies. It's tough to have sympathy for guys who assault or/rob others and then end up getting killed by cops, but we do have a process here and it doesn't start or end with cops taking a suspects life. |
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Really? So if you're a bad guy who got arrested, shooting you after you're in cuffs doesn't matter? |
Of course it matters to me. I just don't believe the deceased in this incident or the incident itself are worthy of the BLM message--one which I fully support, BTW. Beat your girlfriend, beat the paramedics trying to help your girl, then beat on the cops...nobody deserves to get shot for that, but when it happens, outrage and shock should be saved for the person who didn't hand-craft the situation.
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| C M B wrote: | | 24 wrote: |
Really? So if you're a bad guy who got arrested, shooting you after you're in cuffs doesn't matter? |
Of course it matters to me. I just don't believe the deceased in this incident or the incident itself is worthy of the BLM message--one which I fully support, BTW. |
I don't think the BLM message filters whether the deceased was a good person or a criminal or not. That's the disconnect with the non-black "other" that see them protesting over a guy who is probably a scum bag.
Had the kid in Ferguson, MO been shot by the store clerk, nobody would be protesting because he was assaulting and robbing him. But, since a cop killed him, it's viewed as an act a racism and an over-aggressive police state inside the community (which further investigation basically confirmed). |
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Great example. I wish monies raised by BLM organizations would be used in a similar manner.
It doesn't address my believing BLM is misunderstood. It's main purposes is to highlight the unjustified shooting of Blacks by LEO.
When groups organize to bring attention to bring BLM the protests sometimes get out of hand. Sometime fault is the groups, others is the actions of LEO.
Attention shifts from the true cause blame shifts to people Shaqin a fool. The cause is lost in translation.
Again, great example. Daps to the Bell family. |
There's power in numbers but at the same time you still have to be careful who you associate with. I'm a big proponent of rallying together, marching, coming together in the thousands - I would love to see every single person who gives one iota about an injustice march - I think that could be one of the best ways to spur change. But at the same time, some of these kids who join in on these marches are just wild ravaging KIDS, and by kids I mean they're acting in a 5 year old manner - give them an inch of freedom (while fighting a cause here) and they take a mile by burning stuff down and looting. Idk how to fix that issue that degrades your own cause's integrity - better leaders I guess. Of course, the issue of what's pent up in these kids, needs to be addressed too. That's a related core problem - although it's not viewed that way by the masses. CNN and other citizens don't ask "why are these kids acting out like this, why are they so mad, why is so much pent up. is it the system?" ,instead the kids only get blame. |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | jodeke wrote: |
Great example. I wish monies raised by BLM organizations would be used in a similar manner.
It doesn't address my believing BLM is misunderstood. It's main purposes is to highlight the unjustified shooting of Blacks by LEO.
When groups organize to bring attention to bring BLM the protests sometimes get out of hand. Sometime fault is the groups, others is the actions of LEO.
Attention shifts from the true cause blame shifts to people Shaqin a fool. The cause is lost in translation.
Again, great example. Daps to the Bell family. |
There's power in numbers but at the same time you still have to be careful who you associate with. I'm a big proponent of rallying together, marching, coming together in the thousands - I would love to see every single person who gives one iota about an injustice march - I think that could be one of the best ways to spur change. But at the same time, some of these kids who join in on these marches are just wild ravaging KIDS, and by kids I mean they're acting in a 5 year old manner - give them an inch of freedom (while fighting a cause here) and they take a mile by burning stuff down and looting. Idk how to fix that issue that degrades your own cause's integrity - better leaders I guess. Of course, the issue of what's pent up in these kids, needs to be addressed too. That's a related core problem - although it's not viewed that way by the masses. CNN and other citizens don't ask "why are these kids acting out like this, why are they so mad, why is so much pent up. is it the system?" ,instead the kids only get blame. |
What you allude to is not addressed. Ask why? The causes true intention is lost. It stems from societal perceptions of a group, in this case a ethnicity.
Blacks are perceived as hooligans (by some.). When marches are peaceful, uneventful, news media pays no attention, they get no ink, they get no daps. When there's a disturbance it's front page.
We're a media focused society. IMO they (media) should be more responsible.
I believe one way to make change is through churches. Pastors, Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid can unit with a like message. In this case religion can be very forceful. Look how it's made it's impact in other cases.
Religions Unite.
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Why were there no body cams, dash cams, no video?
The police are asking the public to take their word for what happened. Not saying they're not telling the truth but in today's climate, that's asking a lot.
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| jodeke wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | jodeke wrote: |
Great example. I wish monies raised by BLM organizations would be used in a similar manner.
It doesn't address my believing BLM is misunderstood. It's main purposes is to highlight the unjustified shooting of Blacks by LEO.
When groups organize to bring attention to bring BLM the protests sometimes get out of hand. Sometime fault is the groups, others is the actions of LEO.
Attention shifts from the true cause blame shifts to people Shaqin a fool. The cause is lost in translation.
Again, great example. Daps to the Bell family. |
There's power in numbers but at the same time you still have to be careful who you associate with. I'm a big proponent of rallying together, marching, coming together in the thousands - I would love to see every single person who gives one iota about an injustice march - I think that could be one of the best ways to spur change. But at the same time, some of these kids who join in on these marches are just wild ravaging KIDS, and by kids I mean they're acting in a 5 year old manner - give them an inch of freedom (while fighting a cause here) and they take a mile by burning stuff down and looting. Idk how to fix that issue that degrades your own cause's integrity - better leaders I guess. Of course, the issue of what's pent up in these kids, needs to be addressed too. That's a related core problem - although it's not viewed that way by the masses. CNN and other citizens don't ask "why are these kids acting out like this, why are they so mad, why is so much pent up. is it the system?" ,instead the kids only get blame. |
What you allude to is not addressed. Ask why? The causes true intention is lost. It stems from societal perceptions of a group, in this case a ethnicity.
Blacks are perceived as hooligans (by some.). When marches are peaceful, uneventful, news media pays no attention, they get no ink, they get no daps. When there's a disturbance it's front page.
We're a media focused society. IMO they (media) should be more responsible.
I believe one way to make change is through churches. Pastors, Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid can unit with a like message. In this case religion can be very forceful. Look how it's made it's impact in other cases.
Religions Unite.
I have a dream, I dream more people would think like KeepItRealOrElse |
no you bring up the really great point here - the media is squandering the most fruitful opportunity to enhance perspective , re-calibrate perceptions, and make people want to help messed up communities. It's the media's fault that fixing these communities isn't a priority to a whole lot of good people in America - the people in those bad communities i guess, just aren't seen as worth it. It's sad the BLM movement is relegated to only fighting for the worth of staying alive, when I think the worth of the living environment is where the problems stem from. There is no big forum to fight for that though, no media attention. There's not even media attention for Chiraq and the like.
I agree with you on religion. i don't put it past religion to be able to unite people on a grand scale for peace and help. If allll the churches in the greater los angeles area traveled and met and became one huge movement, all the fringe religious people would want to join in. And there you have a huge amount of numbers, you have leaders relaying orders from the almighty leader who'm people will stay in line for.
I'm not religious but I'd drop on both knees if that happened. lol
In general I'm just disappointed with people's inability to rally together and march and what not. I can't really wrap my head around why millions of people with the same feelings can't come together and make appropriate noise. I'm a dreamer but I really don't get it. I'm really the biggest proponent of it |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | C M B wrote: | | 24 wrote: |
Really? So if you're a bad guy who got arrested, shooting you after you're in cuffs doesn't matter? |
Of course it matters to me. I just don't believe the deceased in this incident or the incident itself is worthy of the BLM message--one which I fully support, BTW. |
I don't think the BLM message filters whether the deceased was a good person or a criminal or not. That's the disconnect with the non-black "other" that see them protesting over a guy who is probably a scum bag.
Had the kid in Ferguson, MO been shot by the store clerk, nobody would be protesting because he was assaulting and robbing him. But, since a cop killed him, it's viewed as an act a racism and an over-aggressive police state inside the community (which further investigation basically confirmed). |
Exactly. The BLM message is mainly about stopping the authorities from shooting black people. But a lot of people don't like strong, forceful movements by minorities (read up on the characterizations of MLK's org.), and the urge is always to turn it around and blame the victim (see Trayvon, Ferguson, etc.) |
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| C M B wrote: | | 24 wrote: |
Really? So if you're a bad guy who got arrested, shooting you after you're in cuffs doesn't matter? |
Of course it matters to me. I just don't believe the deceased in this incident or the incident itself are worthy of the BLM message--one which I fully support, BTW. Beat your girlfriend, beat the paramedics trying to help your girl, then beat on the cops...nobody deserves to get shot for that, but when it happens, outrage and shock should be saved for the person who didn't hand-craft the situation. |
IA This has all the earmarks of a incident the cliche, choose your battles wisely, is apropos.
IMO this is not a fight BLM should engage in.
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| jodeke wrote: | | C M B wrote: | | 24 wrote: |
Really? So if you're a bad guy who got arrested, shooting you after you're in cuffs doesn't matter? |
Of course it matters to me. I just don't believe the deceased in this incident or the incident itself are worthy of the BLM message--one which I fully support, BTW. Beat your girlfriend, beat the paramedics trying to help your girl, then beat on the cops...nobody deserves to get shot for that, but when it happens, outrage and shock should be saved for the person who didn't hand-craft the situation. |
IA This has all the earmarks of a incident the cliche, choose your battles wisely, is apropos.
IMO this is not a fight BLM should engage in. |
This is exactly the fight they should engage in. |
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| 24 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | C M B wrote: | | 24 wrote: |
Really? So if you're a bad guy who got arrested, shooting you after you're in cuffs doesn't matter? |
Of course it matters to me. I just don't believe the deceased in this incident or the incident itself are worthy of the BLM message--one which I fully support, BTW. Beat your girlfriend, beat the paramedics trying to help your girl, then beat on the cops...nobody deserves to get shot for that, but when it happens, outrage and shock should be saved for the person who didn't hand-craft the situation. |
IA This has all the earmarks of a incident the cliche, choose your battles wisely, is apropos.
IMO this is not a fight BLM should engage in. |
This is exactly the fight they should engage in. |
To a degree IA.
If evidence discloses he was handcuffed they should involve themselves in a higher degree, meaning, they shot a handcuffed person and include, that means they will shoot anyone, Caucasoid, Mongoloid or Negroid.
If he was handcuffed and shot, being Black is not the only issue, police brutality is. No person should be shot while handcuffed.
Involvement in cases such as this call for discretion and have clear paths and reasoning.
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| 24 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | C M B wrote: | | 24 wrote: |
Really? So if you're a bad guy who got arrested, shooting you after you're in cuffs doesn't matter? |
Of course it matters to me. I just don't believe the deceased in this incident or the incident itself are worthy of the BLM message--one which I fully support, BTW. Beat your girlfriend, beat the paramedics trying to help your girl, then beat on the cops...nobody deserves to get shot for that, but when it happens, outrage and shock should be saved for the person who didn't hand-craft the situation. |
IA This has all the earmarks of a incident the cliche, choose your battles wisely, is apropos.
IMO this is not a fight BLM should engage in. |
This is exactly the fight they should engage in. |
Yep. What matters is that an unarmed, HANDCUFFED man was killed by police. What he did to end up in 'cuffs is beside the point. |
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