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| mde24 wrote: | | City_Dawg wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Easier. Just stop playing bass at center. |
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What doesn't make sense is keeping Sacre as our Back up center, then he goes down to injury and we don't call up Upshaw. After Roy, the center position is crap. The Small ball line - ups don't produce or protect the rim. It's sad that we are looking to Rob to come back and play the position he played so poorly so we can get better.   |
You typically play a small ball lineup when you can overpower them on offense. Run the other team out or just bomb away. What in God's name Bass does at center to help this is beyond me. |
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The old fashioned boxing out drills should be part of the day-off schedule for any team with as many young players as this.
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| kikanga wrote: | The defensive rebounding has been disappointing to say the least.
Maybe some boxout drills wouldn't hurt. |
I have to say I agree with this take. Hibbert, Bass, Randle and Nance (and Black if he ever got game time) all need to improve this fundamental part of their respective games. However, I'm certainly not onboard with all of Byron's 'man up' mantra and I actually used to be to some degree. I do like a little old-school mentality, but at some point, Byron actually has to start COACHING this team! 
His general rotations and apparent minute-based subs patterns are just awful 
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Byron should 'man-up' and play this rotation:
Hibbert
Randle
Bryant
Clarkson
Russell
Black
Bass/Nance
MWP
Young
Williams
Alternatively, you make a hard call about Clarkson or Russell playing on the bench and considering the apparent 'Byron Scott Soft Rookie Minutes Restriction Protocol' or BSSRMRP approach with Russell he really may as well play with the second unit anyway?! But to me, I would actually shift Clarkson to the second unit where he could come on and shoot lights out and give the reins to Russell with the starters. That may however be difficult now though considering Clarkson is almost the team's leading scorer:
Hibbert
Randle
MWP
Bryant
Russell
Black
Bass/Nance
Young
Williams
Clarkson
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Really though I would trade Lou Will for a pass-first veteran backup PG and play Russell heavy minutes with a heavy P&R, read and react style offense....just sayin
Also after initially being excited by the thought of what Huertas could be - and now seeing him in real NBA games, I would trade him for a packet of skittles
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| Are there any brain drills that Byron can take? |
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the art of tanking
make it look like you're a bad coach. |
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| purple8goldvanessa wrote: | the art of tanking
make it look like you're a bad coach. |
Oh, boy. Did anyone ever collect these?
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| I think they do need to re-learn the fundamentals of boxing out and going after rebounds.... Then again, this team needs many things... |
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| Whoever decided to hire Byron Scott as coach really f'ed over the Lakers. I don't know if it was Mitch or Jim Buss but whoever did it should remove themselves from the FO decision making processes. |
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What is very annoying is that when Scott is fired, not if, but when (probably after this season), we start again from ground zero.
It's the rock of Sisyphus. We keep rolling these terrible rocks (Brown, MDA, Scott) up the mountain only to have them tumbling down after a year or two to start all over again. That's just wasted time. If we had a competent and non-retread coach, could have used this year to really implement a philosophy and system in a non-playoff year.
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| mde24 wrote: | | City_Dawg wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Easier. Just stop playing bass at center. |
HELLO! |
What doesn't make sense is keeping Sacre as our Back up center, then he goes down to injury and we don't call up Upshaw. After Roy, the center position is crap. The Small ball line - ups don't produce or protect the rim. It's sad that we are looking to Rob to come back and play the position he played so poorly so we can get better. |
Tarik has been effective at back up center, he is taller, faster a lot stronger than Bass. But Tarik needs to man up or something...
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | What is very annoying is that when Scott is fired, not if, but when (probably after this season), we start again from ground zero.
It's the rock of Sisyphus. We keep rolling these terrible rocks (Brown, MDA, Scott) up the mountain only to have them tumbling down after a year or two to start all over again. That's just wasted time. If we had a competent and non-retread coach, could have used this year to really implement a philosophy and system in a non-playoff year. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | What is very annoying is that when Scott is fired, not if, but when (probably after this season), we start again from ground zero.
It's the rock of Sisyphus. We keep rolling these terrible rocks (Brown, MDA, Scott) up the mountain only to have them tumbling down after a year or two to start all over again. That's just wasted time. If we had a competent and non-retread coach, could have used this year to really implement a philosophy and system in a non-playoff year. |
It's obvious to us. Why it isn't to the Lakers management?
3 bad decisions regarding head coaches are holding us back. |
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| LakerLand247 wrote: | Byron is going to gift wrap a top 3 pick to Jimbo.  |
Why so he can draft another bust? Not only did we waste a pick on a player not ready to play we didn't even get a good backup. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | What is very annoying is that when Scott is fired, not if, but when (probably after this season), we start again from ground zero.
It's the rock of Sisyphus. We keep rolling these terrible rocks (Brown, MDA, Scott) up the mountain only to have them tumbling down after a year or two to start all over again. That's just wasted time. If we had a competent and non-retread coach, could have used this year to really implement a philosophy and system in a non-playoff year. |
I think we pretty much were in acceptance that Scott was just a stopgap measure.
What's astounding is even as low of an expectation as we had (and I was vociferous in being against this buffoon), he's even worse than we thought.
How do you top being an X and O dunce? You double down by being an insecure, fugazi tough guy all the while throwing players under the bus with such regularity, even Mike D'antoni would blush.
My not-so-out on a limb prediction. IF Byron is still the coach and is in any way, shape or form associated with the recruitment process, we won't get marquee free agent this year. |
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I don't think it's that certain that he finishes the season... his relationship with DLO is already bad according to a lot of reports. If it gets toxic, then a choice will nee dot be made.
Also heard whispers that Randle is no fan of Byron either.
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| The nepotism in LA is disgusting |
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Dr Buss was innovative and a risk taker... we were on the cutting edge in terms of style of play, marketing, etc. With the Buss kids, we're forever trying to re-live the past and we've become dinosaurs.
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| silkwilkes wrote: | | Dr Buss was innovative and a risk taker... we were on the cutting edge in terms of style of play, marketing, etc. With the Buss kids, we're forever trying to re-live the past and we've become dinosaurs. |
Every interview with either one includes some variation of "well my Dad" or "it's what Dad would have". Cringe-worthy. |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | silkwilkes wrote: | | Dr Buss was innovative and a risk taker... we were on the cutting edge in terms of style of play, marketing, etc. With the Buss kids, we're forever trying to re-live the past and we've become dinosaurs. |
Every interview with either one includes some variation of "well my Dad" or "it's what Dad would have". Cringe-worthy. |
They're not particularly bright or talented at anything... yet they are trying to play parts that require intelligence and talent. So you can add lack of pragmatism there too lol. If they were pragmatic, they would hire people with the talent/intelligence and take a step back.
The whole organization is nepotist. I never thought i would ever feel this way... but i think it's time for the Lakers to be sold. Heck, if we had the same ownership group as the Dodgers, I would love it.
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Dr Buss hired crappy coaches a few times too. It's just a Laker problem. We hit on riley and PJ....thats it.
and i don't see how you can say we drafted a bust. Its been 10 games |
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| silkwilkes wrote: | I don't think it's that certain that he finishes the season... his relationship with DLO is already bad according to a lot of reports. If it gets toxic, then a choice will nee dot be made.
Also heard whispers that Randle is no fan of Byron either. |
Buss kids won't want to admit yet another bad coaching hire. Sadly, I think they'll keep him for a while.
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | silkwilkes wrote: | I don't think it's that certain that he finishes the season... his relationship with DLO is already bad according to a lot of reports. If it gets toxic, then a choice will nee dot be made.
Also heard whispers that Randle is no fan of Byron either. |
Buss kids won't want to admit yet another bad coaching hire. Sadly, I think they'll keep him for a while. |
I don't think Byron was their first, second or third choice. Not a lot of coaches were willing to take on the hot mess that the Lakers were last season. They knew that it could possibly be a career killer. Byron's career was already dead, so it was a good fit.
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