Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Hassan Whiteside - what's the story on him?
shnxx wrote:
How did someone this good slip through the hands of every other team except the Miami Heat?
He's single handedly propelling Miami into a playoff team.
The rap on him was he had a bad work ethic and attitude. He got waived by a couple of teams. Even in his tenure with Miami he had some issues too. But Miami guessed right and got a steal. However some people wonder if he's going to do a Bynum -- sign a big contract and then go back to his old ways. He's very talented, but he's a gamble.
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Hassan Whiteside - what's the story on him?
shnxx wrote:
How did someone this good slip through the hands of every other team except the Miami Heat?
He's single handedly propelling Miami into a playoff team.
The short version is that the league is insanely competitive from a talent perspective. Some times players need the right situation to blossom. Some players bloom late. Some players get better rapidly. Others regress.
Whiteside got drafted by the Kings and was sent to the D-League twice before being waived. He spent some time playing in Lebanon. Spent time playing in China. He signed with the Grizzlies, got waived, signed with them again, and got waived again. Signed with Miami and got sent down to the D-League and came back up. He has temperament issues, as recently as last season, and his teammates in Miami have publicly complained about his attitude. It's awesome that Whiteside has discovered and displayed his talents, but it's not like other teams are fools for passing on a volatile player who has been a journeyman already at age 26. He's a 2nd round pick with an attitude problem.
That's the dilemma going into next summer. He's going to get a max contract from somebody. He may or may not be the kind of guy you want to invest in. On the one hand, you've got a 26 year old rim protecting, rebounding monster. On the other hand, you could have the next Andrew Bynum. I'm leaning towards rolling the dice on him, but he's not a sure thing between the ears.
Umm, big miss by EVERY team (including the one where he was actually a part of) except Miami (who passed on him the first time too). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Umm, big miss by EVERY team (including the one where he was actually a part of) except Miami (who passed on him the first time too).
Still a big miss considering the rebuild we're in. Come one we keep rostering and guaranteeing a no upside Sacre.
All they had to do was put Whiteside up against Sacre in a workout, and it should have been an easy decision.
Are you serious. EVERY TEAM PASSED ON HIM. Miami took a flier (and they had him in workouts for the draft).
Not sure you can pin that one but I guess if that's part of your agenda, so be it.
Every team did not pass on him. Did he work out for every nba team. Every teams situation is different. Some teams were capped out or had x amount of guaranteed contracts. Where was he going to play in San Antonio or Memphis with Duncan an splitter or gasol and Randolph. Name the teams he worked out for and we can go from that point. I'll go first lakers
Umm, big miss by EVERY team (including the one where he was actually a part of) except Miami (who passed on him the first time too).
Still a big miss considering the rebuild we're in. Come one we keep rostering and guaranteeing a no upside Sacre.
All they had to do was put Whiteside up against Sacre in a workout, and it should have been an easy decision.
Are you serious. EVERY TEAM PASSED ON HIM. Miami took a flier (and they had him in workouts for the draft).
Not sure you can pin that one but I guess if that's part of your agenda, so be it.
Every team did not pass on him. Did he work out for every nba team. Every teams situation is different. Some teams were capped out or had x amount of guaranteed contracts. Where was he going to play in San Antonio or Memphis with Duncan an splitter or gasol and Randolph. Name the teams he worked out for and we can go from that point. I'll go first lakers
He's on a minimum deal that is unaffected by cap space.
I'm not his agent. But every team had an opportunity to sign him (and some did and he flaked out there). He went overseas and Miami took a low cost move on him with non-guaranteed minimum deals.
Sheesh. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
Umm, big miss by EVERY team (including the one where he was actually a part of) except Miami (who passed on him the first time too).
Still a big miss considering the rebuild we're in. Come one we keep rostering and guaranteeing a no upside Sacre.
All they had to do was put Whiteside up against Sacre in a workout, and it should have been an easy decision.
Are you serious. EVERY TEAM PASSED ON HIM. Miami took a flier (and they had him in workouts for the draft).
Not sure you can pin that one but I guess if that's part of your agenda, so be it.
What are you talking about? The Lakers had him in for a workout but didn't invite him to camp prior to the '14/15 season. Knowing they had the soft, stiff Sacre patrolling the paint, it was a huge miss by the FO. By then Sacre, had hit his ceiling and established himself as a 3rd string C at best.
I'm pretty sure Whiteside and his agent picked the Lakers to tryout for because the Lakers needed a C. At worst, they were confident that he could beat out Sacre for a spot. That's all on the FO to not realize Whiteside's potential over Sacre's talent, or lack of, after having Whiteside in for a workout.
Umm, big miss by EVERY team (including the one where he was actually a part of) except Miami (who passed on him the first time too).
Still a big miss considering the rebuild we're in. Come one we keep rostering and guaranteeing a no upside Sacre.
All they had to do was put Whiteside up against Sacre in a workout, and it should have been an easy decision.
Are you serious. EVERY TEAM PASSED ON HIM. Miami took a flier (and they had him in workouts for the draft).
Not sure you can pin that one but I guess if that's part of your agenda, so be it.
What are you talking about? The Lakers had him in for a workout but didn't invite him to camp prior to the '14/15 season. Knowing they had the soft, stiff Sacre patrolling the paint, it was a huge miss by the FO. By then Sacre, had hit his ceiling and established himself as a 3rd string C at best.
I'm pretty sure Whiteside and his agent picked the Lakers to tryout for because the Lakers needed a C. At worst, they were confident that he could beat out Sacre for a spot. That's all on the FO to not realize Whiteside's potential over Sacre's talent, or lack of, after having Whiteside in for a workout.
Eh. All 30 teams had many chances over many years to get him and didn't. When he signed with the Heat, no one paid it any attention. His performance was a shocker. Complaining that the Lakers didn't see what he would become is like complaining that we didn't predict the sleeper in the draft that another team got.
I mean, if Miami is so smart why didn't they draft Whiteside in 2010 instead of Dexter Pittman (Whiteside was chosen in the next slot after Miami chose Pittman).
Umm, big miss by EVERY team (including the one where he was actually a part of) except Miami (who passed on him the first time too).
Still a big miss considering the rebuild we're in. Come one we keep rostering and guaranteeing a no upside Sacre.
All they had to do was put Whiteside up against Sacre in a workout, and it should have been an easy decision.
Are you serious. EVERY TEAM PASSED ON HIM. Miami took a flier (and they had him in workouts for the draft).
Not sure you can pin that one but I guess if that's part of your agenda, so be it.
What are you talking about? The Lakers had him in for a workout but didn't invite him to camp prior to the '14/15 season. Knowing they had the soft, stiff Sacre patrolling the paint, it was a huge miss by the FO. By then Sacre, had hit his ceiling and established himself as a 3rd string C at best.
I'm pretty sure Whiteside and his agent picked the Lakers to tryout for because the Lakers needed a C. At worst, they were confident that he could beat out Sacre for a spot. That's all on the FO to not realize Whiteside's potential over Sacre's talent, or lack of, after having Whiteside in for a workout.
Eh. All 30 teams had many chances over many years to get him and didn't. When he signed with the Heat, no one paid it any attention. His performance was a shocker. Complaining that the Lakers didn't see what he would become is like complaining that we didn't predict the sleeper in the draft that another team got.
I mean, if Miami is so smart why didn't they draft Whiteside in 2010 instead of Dexter Pittman (Whiteside was chosen in the next slot after Miami chose Pittman).
I'm not talking about right after college. The summer prior to the 14/15 season he worked out in front of the Lakers front office. They decided not to invite him to camp even. That is a major miss to not see the potential compared to Sacre. He didn't work out for everyone, so some teams completely ignored him, but he was in the Lakers gym and the FO passed.
You don't rebuild with a nice guy with very limited ability. By then the FO knew that Sacre is a stiff, yet they continue to keep him because he's a great cheerleader and a big body.
Umm, big miss by EVERY team (including the one where he was actually a part of) except Miami (who passed on him the first time too).
Still a big miss considering the rebuild we're in. Come one we keep rostering and guaranteeing a no upside Sacre.
All they had to do was put Whiteside up against Sacre in a workout, and it should have been an easy decision.
Are you serious. EVERY TEAM PASSED ON HIM. Miami took a flier (and they had him in workouts for the draft).
Not sure you can pin that one but I guess if that's part of your agenda, so be it.
What are you talking about? The Lakers had him in for a workout but didn't invite him to camp prior to the '14/15 season. Knowing they had the soft, stiff Sacre patrolling the paint, it was a huge miss by the FO. By then Sacre, had hit his ceiling and established himself as a 3rd string C at best.
I'm pretty sure Whiteside and his agent picked the Lakers to tryout for because the Lakers needed a C. At worst, they were confident that he could beat out Sacre for a spot. That's all on the FO to not realize Whiteside's potential over Sacre's talent, or lack of, after having Whiteside in for a workout.
Eh. All 30 teams had many chances over many years to get him and didn't. When he signed with the Heat, no one paid it any attention. His performance was a shocker. Complaining that the Lakers didn't see what he would become is like complaining that we didn't predict the sleeper in the draft that another team got.
I mean, if Miami is so smart why didn't they draft Whiteside in 2010 instead of Dexter Pittman (Whiteside was chosen in the next slot after Miami chose Pittman).
I'm not talking about right after college. The summer prior to the 14/15 season he worked out in front of the Lakers front office. They decided not to invite him to camp even. That is a major miss to not see the potential compared to Sacre. He didn't work out for everyone, so some teams completely ignored him, but he was in the Lakers gym and the FO passed.
You don't rebuild with a nice guy with very limited ability. By then the FO knew that Sacre is a stiff, yet they continue to keep him because he's a great cheerleader and a big body.
I hope Robert Upshaw stays with the Laker organization and is able to mimic Whiteside's success. It's about time for us to get one right. Only time will tell but I'm sure hoping RU pans out for us.
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