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DrDoom Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:36 am Post subject: No Lamar = No Wins |
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Let's face it. Lamar is the workhorse of this team. He is the guy that takes this team from below average to above. Kobe is needed to make this team elite, and he does that very well. With him and the rest of the lakers, including a healthy lamar, the sky is the limit.
But the reality is that Kobe cannot carry this team on his own. That is not the type of player he is. Lamar Odom is the one that got everyone involved in the game. He is the one that hustled after all of the lakers bricks for putbacks and somehow made it to looseballs. He is the one that brought the contagious "play all out" mentality to the team.
Last year we saw what happened to this team without lamar odom. Unfortunately, I think we are going to see it again.
Lamar haters are going to learn REAL FAST how important this guy really is.
-Doom |
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Drifts Retired Number
Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Posts: 28374
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:44 am Post subject: |
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oh come on Doom...that's too simplistic. Of course we'll struggle without the 2nd most important piece in our lineup - whoever that is, Lamar or not.
A healthy Lamar playing hasn't delivered the sky and stars either. The only mentality Lamar has shown so far is his lack of aggressiveness.
There were too many factors that brought the Lakers' demise last year, it wasn't just about losing Odom. It was Hamblen coaching, learning the tri on the fly, the team losing focus after dropping out of the playoff race and the tougher schedule. _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it." |
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junebug Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:47 am Post subject: |
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We need LAmar because our depth sucks. That's all. we've missed Profit since we lost him. That's what this team is now. |
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Steady Mobbin Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:48 am Post subject: |
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last yr we only won 2 games after Lamar went out with that injury.
people love to bash Lamar but without Lamar we are back to being that same team who finished 2-18 last yr. |
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junebug Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Steady Mobbin wrote: | last yr we only won 2 games after Lamar went out with that injury.
people love to bash Lamar but without Lamar we are back to being that same team who finished 2-18 last yr. |
But he deserves a lot of criticism last two weeks. He simply did nothing. Our depth is so thin that we can't afford someone's injury. |
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Steady Mobbin Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:01 am Post subject: |
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junebug wrote: | Steady Mobbin wrote: | last yr we only won 2 games after Lamar went out with that injury.
people love to bash Lamar but without Lamar we are back to being that same team who finished 2-18 last yr. |
But he deserves a lot of criticism last two weeks. He simply did nothing. Our depth is so thin that we can't afford someone's injury. |
he still manages to put up rebs & assist even when he doesn't score much. theres a reason we lost to a team whos been on a 13 losing streak tonight. theres a reason lakers finshed 2-18 last yr.
people take Lamar Odom for granted untill they realize we can't win a game without him.
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DrDoom Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Drifts wrote: | oh come on Doom...that's too simplistic. Of course we'll struggle without the 2nd most important piece in our lineup - whoever that is, Lamar or not.
A healthy Lamar playing hasn't delivered the sky and stars either. The only mentality Lamar has shown so far is his lack of aggressiveness.
There were too many factors that brought the Lakers' demise last year, it wasn't just about losing Odom. It was Hamblen coaching, learning the tri on the fly, the team losing focus after dropping out of the playoff race and the tougher schedule. |
It is the truth.
Last year without Kobe this team did decent. The reason being even with the rule changes it is hard for a guard to lead a team in this league. Kobe is the necessary piece in turning a GOOD team into a GREAT team. Unfortunately he is unable to turn a below average team into an above average one.
Enter Lamar.
This is the guy who does the things that the Kobe's, AI's, and LeBron's of the world simply cannot. First, he hustles without worry of injury after loose balls (Think Rodman but not quite that relentless). Next, he is a small forward that can change the outcome of the game with TIMELY rebounding and the uncanny ability to be in position for EVERY critical offensive board (i cannot count the number of times this year we were in a close game and Kobe bricked an important shot only to have lamar grab the off board and restart the offense). Next, he creates an obvious mismatch that teams CANNOT ignore. Say what you want, but if teams played Lamar like they did George tonight the guy would go for 25+ easy. Whether you know it or not Lamar takes tremendous pressure off of Bryant.
Now is he clutch??? Heck no. Does he always make the right decision in the most important of times?? Double no.
But he doesn't need to. That is what Bryant is for.
Kobes takes the team that lamar makes above average and turns it into a possible darkhorse for the title. That is the ability of Bryant. To take an average and above average team and make them spectacular.
But he needs that team to at least be average.
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KA_2 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:01 am Post subject: |
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The Lakers have little to no good players outside of Kobe and Odom. It's not that Odom is good, it's that the Lakers aren't. _________________ Westside |
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PiPisKobesByatch Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:03 am Post subject: |
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please.. i'll take his 11 million and get a much better player elsewhere. |
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KA_2 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:05 am Post subject: |
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DrDoom wrote: | Drifts wrote: | oh come on Doom...that's too simplistic. Of course we'll struggle without the 2nd most important piece in our lineup - whoever that is, Lamar or not.
A healthy Lamar playing hasn't delivered the sky and stars either. The only mentality Lamar has shown so far is his lack of aggressiveness.
There were too many factors that brought the Lakers' demise last year, it wasn't just about losing Odom. It was Hamblen coaching, learning the tri on the fly, the team losing focus after dropping out of the playoff race and the tougher schedule. |
It is the truth.
Last year without Kobe this team did decent. The reason being even with the rule changes it is hard for a guard to lead a team in this league. Kobe is the necessary piece in turning a GOOD team into a GREAT team. Unfortunately he is unable to turn a below average team into an above average one.
Enter Lamar.
This is the guy who does the things that the Kobe's, AI's, and LeBron's of the world simply cannot. First, he hustles without worry of injury after loose balls (Think Rodman but not quite that relentless). Next, he is a small forward that can change the outcome of the game with TIMELY rebounding and the uncanny ability to be in position for EVERY critical offensive board (i cannot count the number of times this year we were in a close game and Kobe bricked an important shot only to have lamar grab the off board and restart the offense). Next, he creates an obvious mismatch that teams CANNOT ignore. Say what you want, but if teams played Lamar like they did George tonight the guy would go for 25+ easy. Whether you know it or not Lamar takes tremendous pressure off of Bryant.
Now is he clutch??? Heck no. Does he always make the right decision in the most important of times?? Double no.
But he doesn't need to. That is what Bryant is for.
Kobes takes the team that lamar makes above average and turns it into a possible darkhorse for the title. That is the ability of Bryant. To take an average and above average team and make them spectacular.
But he needs that team to at least be average.
-Doom |
Is this a joke? The Lakers without Kobe last season played against teams with a combined winning percentage of .398, with 74% of those games at Staples. Whereas the Lakers without Odom last season played against teams witih a combined winning percentage of .630, with 70% of those games being on the road, with more back-to-backs to boot.
Think. _________________ Westside |
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critical_beatdown Star Player
Joined: 01 Jan 2006 Posts: 2072
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:05 am Post subject: |
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No you won't. Only KG gives better production in every facet of the game (and maybe Kirilenko).
It's amazing the fools who write as if they know basketball, or ever played it, on this forum. |
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junebug Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Steady Mobbin wrote: | junebug wrote: | Steady Mobbin wrote: | last yr we only won 2 games after Lamar went out with that injury.
people love to bash Lamar but without Lamar we are back to being that same team who finished 2-18 last yr. |
But he deserves a lot of criticism last two weeks. He simply did nothing. Our depth is so thin that we can't afford someone's injury. |
he still manages to put up rebs & assist even when he doesn't score much. theres a reason we lost to a team whos been on a 13 losing streak tonight. theres a reason lakers finshed 2-18 last yr.
people take Lamar Odom for granted untill they realize we can't win a game without him. |
There were several reasons we were that bad without Lamar last season. I'm not hating him. Im just saying Lamar or not this team is incredibly bad and we have been getting worse since Sac game. |
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critical_beatdown Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:10 am Post subject: |
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The main reason is we did not have Lamar doing all he does as 1 player...and far more than Kobe does. |
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junebug Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:12 am Post subject: |
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critical_beatdown wrote: | The main reason is we did not have Lamar doing all he does as 1 player...and far more than Kobe does. |
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critical_beatdown Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:15 am Post subject: |
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Kobe scores...Lamar does everything else. Play a game sometime...you'll understand. It's not a criticism of Kobe, by any means. b |
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KA_2 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:23 am Post subject: |
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critical_beatdown wrote: | Kobe scores...Lamar does everything else. Play a game sometime...you'll understand. It's not a criticism of Kobe, by any means. b |
You've never played real organized basketball in your life, nor do you understand anything about defensive or offensive schemes, including the triangle. Why are you speaking at all?
By the way, you once said Odom was a future All Star, excellent 3-point shooter, solid defender, and that Kobe and Odom were one of the best duos in the league/all-time. I suggest you not pretend to be a keen basketball mind. _________________ Westside |
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8750 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: |
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ok, let's praise as player without charcater and pride, without any intensity, without any passion...
by the way, if you look at the stats tonight walton had nine points, seven rebounds and five assists in 25 minutes... very lamaresque... |
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critical_beatdown Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:26 am Post subject: |
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KA_2, it's obvious you've never played the game. Give up.
And no, you're lying and misleading about what I said.
Straw man master...I hope the LG guys take you up on it. I doubt it. No guts. |
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KA_2 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:30 am Post subject: |
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critical_beatdown wrote: | KA_2, it's obvious you've never played the game. Give up. |
Nah dude, I've already tore you to bits about your basketball "knowledge". It's clear you just started watching ball. It's OK man, just admit it and move on.
Quote: | And no, you're lying and misleading about what I said. |
Which part? You said Odom was a solid defender. You said Odom was a future All Star? Do you deny these thigns?
Fact is it's exactly what you said, and you know you can't prove otherwise, because it's right here (and on RealGM) for everyone to see. It's quite hilarious actually.
Quote: | Straw man master...I hope the LG guys take you up on it. I doubt it. No guts. |
You have spouted a lot of crap here critical, I'm just regurgatating your garbage so that younger posters aren't fooled into thinking you're some shrewd basketball mind. _________________ Westside |
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shnjb Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:35 am Post subject: |
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critical_beatdown wrote: | Kobe scores...Lamar does everything else. Play a game sometime...you'll understand. It's not a criticism of Kobe, by any means. b |
No, NBA Live doesn't count. |
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critical_beatdown Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Play a real game troll...on the playground. |
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shnjb Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:38 am Post subject: |
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Critical
Aren't you the one who said Lamar's an excellent 3 point shooter?
And now KA tells me that you also said he's a good defender among other things?
You must either live in a foreign country and only go by stats for evaluation of players or mentally stunted. |
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KA_2 Star Player
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shnjb Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:39 am Post subject: |
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critical_beatdown wrote: | Play a real game troll...on the playground. |
Right.......
And no, playground in some suburb doesn't really count as real basketball experience either. |
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KA_2 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:40 am Post subject: |
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shnjb wrote: | critical_beatdown wrote: | Play a real game troll...on the playground. |
Right.......
And no, playground in some suburb doesn't really count as real basketball experience either. |
Yup. _________________ Westside |
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