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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Big Game James wrote: | | I'm 100% for trading Clarkson. I just don't see him as a $22 million dollar player and that is what I think we will have to offer him to stay. |
Oh hell no, I wouldn't give Clarkson 1 penny over 8 mil/year. His guy brings nothing else to the table other than scoring on broken and iso plays. with his kind of athleticism and still being a poor defender tells me the guy only cares about scoring, individual stats than helping team win games |
yupe.
I prefer to see what we can get for him at this deadline tough. |
You won't get much with a couple of million in salary coming back. Better to wait until the offseason. |
u can add up and make 10mil around bass + kelly + sacre + clarkson
if guy around 20mil u can do hibbert + clarkson
i want to call utah and see if they want something around clarkson for Favours
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Big Game James wrote: | | I'm 100% for trading Clarkson. I just don't see him as a $22 million dollar player and that is what I think we will have to offer him to stay. |
Oh hell no, I wouldn't give Clarkson 1 penny over 8 mil/year. His guy brings nothing else to the table other than scoring on broken and iso plays. with his kind of athleticism and still being a poor defender tells me the guy only cares about scoring, individual stats than helping team win games |
yupe.
I prefer to see what we can get for him at this deadline tough. |
You won't get much with a couple of million in salary coming back. Better to wait until the offseason. |
u can add up and make 10mil around bass + kelly + sacre + clarkson
if guy around 2mil u can do hibbert + clarkson |
Yeah, 4 for 1 trades are so common in the NBA.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | rebirth wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | I will speculate that there will be no in season trades. |
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I think you guys are right. I don't see any trades happening.
Not for lack of trying. We just won't get the value we want for our assets. |
If this is truly a speculation thread then you have to take history into account, and the Lakers typically aren't very active mid-season. If it is just a fantasy thread then, of course, you don't have to take anything into account.
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Jim99187
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| venturalakersfan wrote: |
Yeah, 4 for 1 trades are so common in the NBA. |
no but 3 team trades are |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| clarkson is easily our best player and we want to trade him??? |
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| cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | clarkson is easily our best player and we want to trade him??? |
If it makes the team better? Hell yes.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | clarkson is easily our best player and we want to trade him??? |
Didn't you know this is the 2K world? You don't hoard talent anymore. Look at Golden State they didn't home grow a thing or build a system around it that works...wait... |
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| cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | clarkson is easily our best player and we want to trade him??? |
Dr Buss culture: championship or bust
Jim/Jenny Buss culture: lets get rid of our best player or make bim 6th man, it's lotery or bust time  |
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| cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | clarkson is easily our best player and we want to trade him??? |
I guess u r one of those guys or gals just looking at the scoring column of the stat sheet after each game |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | clarkson is easily our best player and we want to trade him??? |
I guess u r one of those guys or gals just looking at the scoring column of the stat sheet after each game |
Nope i see a player that has the athletic tools, can drive, shoot, and create for others but is being used incorrectly trying to make Russell a PG. |
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Well Russell will be our point guard for the next decade or so.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Well Russell will be our point guard for the next decade or so. |
Also russell/clarkson doesnt work cause both dont play defense. Clarkson as 6th man or trade chip |
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Sam Dekker for Kelly & Black
Dwight has been in and out of the lineup and Black was a very good stopgap for Houston at Center. Kelly gives them a second stretch PF options (DMO being the other). Potentially, if DMO gets a monster offer in July, Kelly could be a cheaper alternative if Morey has a great opportunity with his cap room elsewhere. With Kelly's Duke pedigree and Black's familiarity with their strategies, the fit quality is high.
Dekker just had back surgery and this year will likely be a wash for him. Houston has Ariza, Brewer, McDaniels and already fired McHale b/c they want a shot at the ring this year.
For LA, Dekker has a shot at being a long term solution at a position of need on a cost controlled contract.
Edit: Didn't realize DMO has been out due to surgery. Could make Kelly even more appealing as a healthy body now.
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| Big Game James wrote: | | I'm 100% for trading Clarkson. I just don't see him as a $22 million dollar player and that is what I think we will have to offer him to stay. |
Um.. huh? |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| DrumR wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | clarkson is easily our best player and we want to trade him??? |
Didn't you know this is the 2K world? You don't hoard talent anymore. Look at Golden State they didn't home grow a thing or build a system around it that works...wait... |
to be fair.. they did trade for Andrew Bogut lol.
But yeah.. you're right.. they did a helluva job building that team. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Well Russell will be our point guard for the next decade or so. |
Also russell/clarkson doesnt work cause both dont play defense. Clarkson as 6th man or trade chip |
Russell plays defense, he is already pretty good at cutting his man off from penetrating. He needs work on closing out on the 3 point shot. Even Clarkson has shown some improvement so far this season. The offensive and defensive ratings of our starters do not show defense as a real issue, at least not the past few games anyway.
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| cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | clarkson is easily our best player and we want to trade him??? |
I guess u r one of those guys or gals just looking at the scoring column of the stat sheet after each game |
Nope i see a player that has the athletic tools, can drive, shoot, and create for others but is being used incorrectly trying to make Russell a PG. |
You forgot about the high fg% and the fact he is not complaining about giving his job to a lesser player. |
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| DrumR wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | clarkson is easily our best player and we want to trade him??? |
Didn't you know this is the 2K world? You don't hoard talent anymore. Look at Golden State they didn't home grow a thing or build a system around it that works...wait... |
When I was a young boy in the early 70s I traded baseball cards with my friends, played little league and was enthralled by the magic of Dodger baseball. Those of you who grew up in the LA area at that time also remember the talented infield of Lopes, Garvey, Cey and Russel. These were all home grown guys who came up nearly together and we're the Dodgers starting infield for more than 8 successful seasons. During that time they played in three championship series and three World Series and each played in the All-Star game at least three times. I mention this because I just can't shake how much Clarkson, Russel and Randal remind me of that time and that infield. I enjoy reading all the give and take here, how Randel is too small and Russel too slow. How Clarkson is no more than a 6th man. But it's not each individual I see as the key to the Lakers re birth but the growth of this core. I am excited for the future of this team and will watch each game not for the wins and losses but for the beginning of what I see as something that can be long lastng success. Go Lakers!! |
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| nash wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | clarkson is easily our best player and we want to trade him??? |
I guess u r one of those guys or gals just looking at the scoring column of the stat sheet after each game |
Nope i see a player that has the athletic tools, can drive, shoot, and create for others but is being used incorrectly trying to make Russell a PG. |
You forgot about the high fg% and the fact he is not complaining about giving his job to a lesser player. |
the guy outplayed westbrook head 2 head last yr and people want to trade him blows my mind |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Well Russell will be our point guard for the next decade or so. |
I think it's ok tanking for a couple of years, but do you really believe in 10 years of tanking?
I'd wait for a dozen of 8 assist games before I call someone the PG for the next 10 years. Let the boy prove he can be a better distributor than K.Marshall before making bold statments. |
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It isn't a bold statement, it has been made by the Lakers as well. And there are many more stats to measure a good PG by than assists.
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| If the Rockets don't turn it around soon could they become sellers at the trade deadline? I'd love it if we could bring Ariza back. Perfect fit for us at SF. |
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| nash wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Well Russell will be our point guard for the next decade or so. |
I think it's ok tanking for a couple of years, but do you really believe in 10 years of tanking?
I'd wait for a dozen of 8 assist games before I call someone the PG for the next 10 years. Let the boy prove he can be a better distributor than K.Marshall before making bold statments. |
Says a guy whose username is nash. How many yrs it took nash to be decent? |
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| Mini Mamba wrote: | | If the Rockets don't turn it around soon could they become sellers at the trade deadline? I'd love it if we could bring Ariza back. Perfect fit for us at SF. |
I'm guessing Houston won't be out of the playoff picture and will at the very least feel they can pull it together for the post season even if they approach it as a lower seed. Ariza is a core guy so its tough imagining they would make that kind of change.
If it helps their run this year, I expect McDaniels or Decker could be had for the right return. McD can't shoot and Decker is out 3+ months, so Morey may not get a return worth giving a cost controlled wing up. Is offer Kelly/Black for the latter. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | It isn't a bold statement, it has been made by the Lakers as well. And there are many more stats to measure a good PG by than assists. |
Notice the trend here, all Clarkson jockers r only care about stats |
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