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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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Lakers#1fan wrote: | Russell1 wrote: | Lakers#1fan wrote: | Thugnomoe wrote: | I'd do JC randle for Blake in a heartbeat.. |
Really?...Really?? In a heartbeat.
I don't think this trade makes us any better at all. We have a mini Griffin in Randle. Clarkson is a keeper (valuable role player).
This is Randles first season and we are giving up on him? How many seasons has Griffin played before he's playing consistent basketball like this? Answer that question for me.
I say we don't break up this young core of Russell, Randle, and Clarkson. They deserve a chance by themselves next year.
Hopefully we can get Simmons. I like the position this team is in currently.
Before you google that. Griffin was drafted in 2009. Do the math, and give these kids a chance. You don't want to be kicking yourself 2 years down the line when Griffin's explosiveness is gone. |
If you can trade JC and Randle for Blake you do it. That makes KD think twice about coming here. We would be able to Max KD and Whiteside because Blake is only making like 20 million next year. We would still have to dump Lou or Nick |
Blake Griffin is not a winner. Durant, Griffin, Russell, Whiteside, and ???.
That is not a winning team. GRIFFIN is the problem! You can not win with him. If you want to get him as a way to attract Durant...fine. But you are losing a potential Star in Randle as well and Clarkson. Not worth it I believe. |
30 out of 30GM's will throw away that deal saying thats a crap package for Griffin.
but here we are people saying they won't trade clarkson/randle for griffin
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Jim99187 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Dave20 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Dave20 wrote: | I think Doc want proven players back not picks. He's trying to win not rebuild. |
Crowder was almost an all-star. I'm saying that would be the formation of the trade. Could add other fillers, but you get present (Crowder) and future (Nets pick). | He's a good player but Griffin's value is worth much more then that. Doc wouldn't do that deal. I think he'd want someone like Paul George or Jimmy Butler. |
They're not getting that for him b/c his hand's broken and he may not be ready for the playoffs.
I think you are totally undervaluing Crowder. He may be a top 5-6 wing defender in the NBA, and ALSO getting a possible top 3 pick is a coup for the Clippers. |
just because zach lowe a celtics homer says Crowder can be a central asset to get love doesn't mean he is that good
he is ok not somebody who can get u a superstar. ya ya i know he punched a guy and what not |
And I'll take Zach Lowe over your opinion...no disrespect.
Reason why we're even talking about Blake is just how monumentally stupid of a decision he made, especially with the Clippers humming right along without him (and since he may be out until the playoffs since it's his shooting/dunking hand). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Jim99187 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Dave20 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Dave20 wrote: | I think Doc want proven players back not picks. He's trying to win not rebuild. |
Crowder was almost an all-star. I'm saying that would be the formation of the trade. Could add other fillers, but you get present (Crowder) and future (Nets pick). | He's a good player but Griffin's value is worth much more then that. Doc wouldn't do that deal. I think he'd want someone like Paul George or Jimmy Butler. |
They're not getting that for him b/c his hand's broken and he may not be ready for the playoffs.
I think you are totally undervaluing Crowder. He may be a top 5-6 wing defender in the NBA, and ALSO getting a possible top 3 pick is a coup for the Clippers. |
just because zach lowe a celtics homer says Crowder can be a central asset to get love doesn't mean he is that good
he is ok not somebody who can get u a superstar. ya ya i know he punched a guy and what not |
And I'll take Zach Lowe over your opinion...no disrespect.
Reason why we're even talking about Blake is just how monumentally stupid of a decision he made, especially with the Clippers humming right along without him (and since he may be out until the playoffs since it's his shooting/dunking hand). |
no worries, i am not dying here to convince u to agree with my opinion.
so u just massacre people who make stupid dumb mistakes in real life as well, is it? i see a pattern with Ok4, griffin and kief. somehow ur expectation that these guys are saints and are good citizen is wrong. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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And it's not just Lowe who is saying that Crowder is becoming one of the top and versatile defenders. I've heard it from lots of nationally syndicated folks. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Jim99187 wrote: | Lakers#1fan wrote: | Russell1 wrote: | Lakers#1fan wrote: | Thugnomoe wrote: | I'd do JC randle for Blake in a heartbeat.. |
Really?...Really?? In a heartbeat.
I don't think this trade makes us any better at all. We have a mini Griffin in Randle. Clarkson is a keeper (valuable role player).
This is Randles first season and we are giving up on him? How many seasons has Griffin played before he's playing consistent basketball like this? Answer that question for me.
I say we don't break up this young core of Russell, Randle, and Clarkson. They deserve a chance by themselves next year.
Hopefully we can get Simmons. I like the position this team is in currently.
Before you google that. Griffin was drafted in 2009. Do the math, and give these kids a chance. You don't want to be kicking yourself 2 years down the line when Griffin's explosiveness is gone. |
If you can trade JC and Randle for Blake you do it. That makes KD think twice about coming here. We would be able to Max KD and Whiteside because Blake is only making like 20 million next year. We would still have to dump Lou or Nick |
Blake Griffin is not a winner. Durant, Griffin, Russell, Whiteside, and ???.
That is not a winning team. GRIFFIN is the problem! You can not win with him. If you want to get him as a way to attract Durant...fine. But you are losing a potential Star in Randle as well and Clarkson. Not worth it I believe. |
30 out of 30GM's will throw away that deal saying thats a crap package for Griffin.
but here we are people saying they won't trade clarkson/randle for griffin
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Ok Jimmy, or shall I call you Jim Buss!
Jim Buss would certainly make that deal looking at the here and now, but completely disregarding the future. I guarantee you a Griffin trade will not make this a better team. I am certain.
Russell, Randle, Clarkson is a much better scenario and one we must stick to.
P.S. I hope I don't have to eat my words in the future.
I am sure you have this bookmarked by now Jim99187 |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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Lakers#1fan wrote: |
Ok Jimmy, or shall I call you Jim Buss!
Jim Buss would certainly make that deal looking at the here and now, but completely disregarding the future. I guarantee you a Griffin trade will not make this a better team. I am certain.
Russell, Randle, Clarkson is a much better scenario and one we must stick to.
P.S. I hope I don't have to eat my words in the future.
I am sure you have this bookmarked by now Jim99187 |
relax bro and take it easy. the deal was Clarkson + Randle for Griffin.
We still would have Russell.
Griffin is out 2months that mean he will barely comeback in april. That means our tank is in full force we get the top 3 pick.
So Russell, Top 3 pick and griffin is not short term fix. its short term + long term.
Blake is only 26 and is only getting paid 20m next yr. u can still have 2 25m players with him. |
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Fastbreak32 Star Player
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Jim99187 wrote: | Lakers#1fan wrote: |
Ok Jimmy, or shall I call you Jim Buss!
Jim Buss would certainly make that deal looking at the here and now, but completely disregarding the future. I guarantee you a Griffin trade will not make this a better team. I am certain.
Russell, Randle, Clarkson is a much better scenario and one we must stick to.
P.S. I hope I don't have to eat my words in the future.
I am sure you have this bookmarked by now Jim99187 |
relax bro and take it easy. the deal was Clarkson + Randle for Griffin.
We still would have Russell.
Griffin is out 2months that mean he will barely comeback in april. That means our tank is in full force we get the top 3 pick.
So Russell, Top 3 pick and griffin is not short term fix. its short term + long term.
Blake is only 26 and is only getting paid 20m next yr. u can still have 2 25m players with him. |
I'm not sure that I like the trade, but I do agree it's a good example of a short-term/long-term trade.
He's a great talent, but I just don't like Griffin. _________________ LeBron, AD, & _________. Stay tuned.
"...there was a time when the Israelites were wandering in the desert and all of a sudden, bread came down from heaven,” Pelinka said. “That’s kind of what today feels like for us to have KCP join.” |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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Fastbreak32 wrote: |
I'm not sure that I like the trade, but I do agree it's a good example of a short-term/long-term trade.
He's a great talent, but I just don't like Griffin. |
i don't like griffin aswell and i don't care for him.
but thats a 1 sided laker trade for griffin. |
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Fastbreak32 Star Player
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Jim99187 wrote: | Fastbreak32 wrote: |
I'm not sure that I like the trade, but I do agree it's a good example of a short-term/long-term trade.
He's a great talent, but I just don't like Griffin. |
i don't like griffin aswell and i don't care for him.
but thats a 1 sided laker trade for griffin. |
I agree with that, too. _________________ LeBron, AD, & _________. Stay tuned.
"...there was a time when the Israelites were wandering in the desert and all of a sudden, bread came down from heaven,” Pelinka said. “That’s kind of what today feels like for us to have KCP join.” |
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Jim99187 wrote: | Fastbreak32 wrote: |
I'm not sure that I like the trade, but I do agree it's a good example of a short-term/long-term trade.
He's a great talent, but I just don't like Griffin. |
i don't like griffin aswell and i don't care for him.
but thats a 1 sided laker trade for griffin. |
Agreed. And I don't think it's debatable.
It's common sense.
Griffin is arguably the 1st or 2nd best Power Forward in the league. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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How many usernames has CK created today? _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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I'm sure its been discussed, but i haven't seen it on this page but a Griffin for Durant trade wouldn't shock me too much. I hope it doesn't happen, obviously. |
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Jim99187 wrote: | Lakers#1fan wrote: | Russell1 wrote: | Lakers#1fan wrote: | Thugnomoe wrote: | I'd do JC randle for Blake in a heartbeat.. |
Really?...Really?? In a heartbeat.
I don't think this trade makes us any better at all. We have a mini Griffin in Randle. Clarkson is a keeper (valuable role player).
This is Randles first season and we are giving up on him? How many seasons has Griffin played before he's playing consistent basketball like this? Answer that question for me.
I say we don't break up this young core of Russell, Randle, and Clarkson. They deserve a chance by themselves next year.
Hopefully we can get Simmons. I like the position this team is in currently.
Before you google that. Griffin was drafted in 2009. Do the math, and give these kids a chance. You don't want to be kicking yourself 2 years down the line when Griffin's explosiveness is gone. |
If you can trade JC and Randle for Blake you do it. That makes KD think twice about coming here. We would be able to Max KD and Whiteside because Blake is only making like 20 million next year. We would still have to dump Lou or Nick |
Blake Griffin is not a winner. Durant, Griffin, Russell, Whiteside, and ???.
That is not a winning team. GRIFFIN is the problem! You can not win with him. If you want to get him as a way to attract Durant...fine. But you are losing a potential Star in Randle as well and Clarkson. Not worth it I believe. |
30 out of 30GM's will throw away that deal saying thats a crap package for Griffin.
but here we are people saying they won't trade clarkson/randle for griffin
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I'm kind of in awe too Jim.
Randle and Clarkson for Blake Griffin?
Plus we get to dump Nick and Lou's deal for expirings.
And some people are saying no?
One of the leagues true young superstars for 2 nice young players with potential upside, but with obvious flaws?
I'm not even sure you'd get Ibaka for Randle and Clarkson, but Blake?
Lakers would do that deal so fast it would make your head spin.
Laker fans seriously over rate our assets. I am both high and hopeful on Randle and Clarkson, but come on. _________________ "Rangers lead the way!"
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27 wrote: | I'm sure its been discussed, but i haven't seen it on this page but a Griffin for Durant trade wouldn't shock me too much. I hope it doesn't happen, obviously. |
Ya it does make some sense for both sides, especially if OKC fears Durant leaving. _________________ "Rangers lead the way!"
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Robster8989 wrote: | 27 wrote: | I'm sure its been discussed, but i haven't seen it on this page but a Griffin for Durant trade wouldn't shock me too much. I hope it doesn't happen, obviously. |
Ya it does make some sense for both sides, especially if OKC fears Durant leaving. |
Not this year. OKC is going to see what they can do in the playoffs. Maybe workable in a sign and trade in the offseason. |
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kikanga wrote: | Jim99187 wrote: | Fastbreak32 wrote: |
I'm not sure that I like the trade, but I do agree it's a good example of a short-term/long-term trade.
He's a great talent, but I just don't like Griffin. |
i don't like griffin aswell and i don't care for him.
but thats a 1 sided laker trade for griffin. |
Agreed. And I don't think it's debatable.
It's common sense.
Griffin is arguably the 1st or 2nd best Power Forward in the league. |
And argurably a top 10 player. I wouldn't trade D'Angelo in that package, but if all you give up is Randle and Clarkson it's a no brainer.
Then you add Whiteside in the offseason and you may still have another trade chip in that top three pick.
Griffin is just hitting his prime. It would greatly increase our chances of adding Durant.
You have argurably two top ten players and a monster inside in Whiteside. _________________ #CowboysNation
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Robster8989 Star Player
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PG- Dunn (with #3 pick)
SG- Russell
SF- Durant/Brown
PF- Blake/Nance
C- Whiteside/Black
Plus 12-14 mil to fill out the bench
That would be sick.
You could even use the 12-14 mil in space on one year deals and still have enough to max Westbrook in 2017.
Never happen, but damn. _________________ "Rangers lead the way!"
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Jim99187 wrote: | Lakers#1fan wrote: | Russell1 wrote: | Lakers#1fan wrote: | Thugnomoe wrote: | I'd do JC randle for Blake in a heartbeat.. |
Really?...Really?? In a heartbeat.
I don't think this trade makes us any better at all. We have a mini Griffin in Randle. Clarkson is a keeper (valuable role player).
This is Randles first season and we are giving up on him? How many seasons has Griffin played before he's playing consistent basketball like this? Answer that question for me.
I say we don't break up this young core of Russell, Randle, and Clarkson. They deserve a chance by themselves next year.
Hopefully we can get Simmons. I like the position this team is in currently.
Before you google that. Griffin was drafted in 2009. Do the math, and give these kids a chance. You don't want to be kicking yourself 2 years down the line when Griffin's explosiveness is gone. |
If you can trade JC and Randle for Blake you do it. That makes KD think twice about coming here. We would be able to Max KD and Whiteside because Blake is only making like 20 million next year. We would still have to dump Lou or Nick |
Blake Griffin is not a winner. Durant, Griffin, Russell, Whiteside, and ???.
That is not a winning team. GRIFFIN is the problem! You can not win with him. If you want to get him as a way to attract Durant...fine. But you are losing a potential Star in Randle as well and Clarkson. Not worth it I believe. |
30 out of 30GM's will throw away that deal saying thats a crap package for Griffin.
but here we are people saying they won't trade clarkson/randle for griffin
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exactly.. complete lunacy here at LG. |
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Anyone think Hibbert might be bought out? It's gonna be hard to trade him. |
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Kobe2Dwight12 wrote: | Anyone think Hibbert might be bought out? It's gonna be hard to trade him. |
I think Hibbert to the Celtics for Lee and a 2nd makes sense.
Contracts are roughly equal and both expiring.
Lee is not playing there.
Hibbert would give them something they lack with their bigs (rim protection) that is valuable come playoff time.
Celtics have like 6 2nd rounders, what the heck are they going to do with all of them?
Celts are doing their diligence on other bigs like Griffin and Howard, but may circle back if all those fall through. _________________ "Rangers lead the way!"
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I do not think there is any need for the team so slow Hibbert center |
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Kobe2Dwight12 wrote: | Anyone think Hibbert might be bought out? It's gonna be hard to trade him. |
I've seen that elsewhere too and I don't get it. Why not just ride him out the rest of the season instead of buying him out? We'd be razor thin at the C spot the rest of the way. |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | Kobe2Dwight12 wrote: | Anyone think Hibbert might be bought out? It's gonna be hard to trade him. |
I've seen that elsewhere too and I don't get it. Why not just ride him out the rest of the season instead of buying him out? We'd be razor thin at the C spot the rest of the way. |
what if he wants a buyout? |
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Jim99187 wrote: | HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | Kobe2Dwight12 wrote: | Anyone think Hibbert might be bought out? It's gonna be hard to trade him. |
I've seen that elsewhere too and I don't get it. Why not just ride him out the rest of the season instead of buying him out? We'd be razor thin at the C spot the rest of the way. |
what if he wants a buyout? |
I haven't heard anything about that, have you? Didn't they just have one of their paintball outings? If he did, that's different, but to dump him before the season ends, that's putting a lot of pressure on guys like Tarik - who I'm not sure can handle the minutes and Sacre, who will foul out half the time as well. That leaves Bass? if he's still here, as the C? or... dare I say it, Ryan Kelly and Julius in a pinch... |
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HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | Jim99187 wrote: | HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | Kobe2Dwight12 wrote: | Anyone think Hibbert might be bought out? It's gonna be hard to trade him. |
I've seen that elsewhere too and I don't get it. Why not just ride him out the rest of the season instead of buying him out? We'd be razor thin at the C spot the rest of the way. |
what if he wants a buyout? |
I haven't heard anything about that, have you? Didn't they just have one of their paintball outings? If he did, that's different, but to dump him before the season ends, that's putting a lot of pressure on guys like Tarik - who I'm not sure can handle the minutes and Sacre, who will foul out half the time as well. That leaves Bass? if he's still here, as the C? or... dare I say it, Ryan Kelly and Julius in a pinch... |
I had read somewhere that the Lakers may do him a favor, and either trade him to a team in the playoff hunt or buy him out and allow him to sign with a team of his choosing, sort of as a thank you for waiving his trade kicker when he came here and for acting so professionally while he has been here.
I do not like his play, but have heard he is a great guy and team mate. _________________ "Rangers lead the way!"
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