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oldschool32
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This is the reason Byron was hired. He's Kobe's guy for his last few years.
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BennyLava
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| silkwilkes wrote: | Good lord that read was painful... so because Kobe has 20 years, he can play any way he wants to the detriment of the team and we should all be thankful for it.
Can someone please make Byron shut the f up before i go crazy. |
Ironically, there are several on this forum that subscribe to that view of appreciating our greats especially in a curtain call. I am one of them, with the caveat that we call a spade a spade and acknowledge that this is about Kobe and development of the youth and not "wins". |
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greenfrog
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| CandyCanes wrote: | | CBaller8 wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | Man, I wonder what Byron is going to do when Kobe retires and can't protect him anymore. |
He has the Showtime squad for that. |
Who? Magic isn't part-owner anymore and Worthy is just a TWC analyst.
There's Kupchak too, I guess, but don't know if he and Scott are really all that close. |
There's Cooper on ABC's Sunday postgame, although IIRC he liked MDA. |
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KBH
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Lol Bryon's daily offering of stupidity. |
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DRuss+Jules=Chip
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, he's right. |
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silkwilkes
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| BennyLava wrote: | | silkwilkes wrote: | Good lord that read was painful... so because Kobe has 20 years, he can play any way he wants to the detriment of the team and we should all be thankful for it.
Can someone please make Byron shut the f up before i go crazy. |
Ironically, there are several on this forum that subscribe to that view of appreciating our greats especially in a curtain call. I am one of them, with the caveat that we call a spade a spade and acknowledge that this is about Kobe and development of the youth and not "wins". |
West, Baylor, Wilkes, Wilt, Kareem, Worthy and Scott were never afforded this.... Magic never got a chance. Norm Nixon was traded before his decline. Shaq as well. Why should Kobe get treatment to the detriment of the team? It's mind boggling.
It not only hurts our chances to win... it also hurts this so-called "development" where we're developing bad habits!!!
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LakersMDGurl
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Ladies and gentlemen, we got a winner!!!! THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE ISSUE WITH THIS ball club. This is NOT a team!!!!!!! But the Lakers are tanking again, that is obvious to me. SO we might as well just keep Byron and get that 3rd pick back from philly
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LakerDYnasty72
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Personally, I'm glad he said that. Not that I agree with it. I'm looking at the big picture. Kobe's last year. Byron's last year. A valuable year's growth for our youngsters. |
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numero-ocho
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| oldschool32 wrote: | | This is the reason Byron was hired. He's Kobe's guy for his last few years. |
Pretty much. May also be a subtle hint to Kobe that he's come full circle.
It still irks me Byron is preaching all this stuff about trust and playing the right way to the young guys then doesn't say a word about Kobe's shot selection or spotty effort on defense. Still, none of Kobe's previous coaches Since First-Run Phil did either. However, those coaches never had to worry about alienating a group of young players that will become the faces of the franchise after Kobe retires either.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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It isn't uncommon in sports and life for vets to get more leash than youngsters. If what Kobe was doing in games was making the team better I wouldn't complain, but it isn't.
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| LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | Personally, I'm glad he said that. Not that I agree with it. I'm looking at the big picture. Kobe's last year. Byron's last year. A valuable year's growth for our youngsters. |
The next coach is going to have his work cut out for him trying to get these guys to break from all the bad habits they've acquired this season. Randle in particular I worry might be scarred. Calipari had a better handle on him.
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Hammett
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Oh no, not Kobe fans vs. Lakers fans again.
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Kobe has a few more games to jack up shots. Until then the FO and Byron will keep backing him. Right now the hope is that he needs to get his legs under him and shake off the rust. I pegged they'd give him about 20 games into the season, and his time is almost up.
I'm hopeful he has some good game left in him and he will figure it out soon. If he doesn't I think you'll start seeing full time facilitator Kobe because Byron and the FO will back him only for so long. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | It isn't uncommon in sports and life for vets to get more leash than youngsters. If what Kobe was doing in games was making the team better I wouldn't complain, but it isn't. |
He's not helping, but they're not very good regardless. If you take away Kobe I don't see our record being any different than it is now. |
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Purp 32
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| Oh brother... |
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44TheLogo
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anyone who has ever gone into work at a company as a young person, working hard to do a good job, while watching an older "veteran" slack off and make mistakes would sympathize with the resentment that builds for that kind of work culture. coddling veterans in an unequal manner is a very good way to lose talented young employees. and let's get it straight - the NBA is a business.
of course it's a part of life and not uncommon, but it's not ideal. |
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Mini Mamba
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| 44TheLogo wrote: | | anyone who has ever gone into work at a company as a young person, working hard to do a good job, while watching an older "veteran" slack off and make mistakes would sympathize with the resentment that builds for that kind of work culture. coddling veterans in an unequal manner is a very good way to lose talented young employees. and let's get it straight - the NBA is a business. |
I don't feel that Kobe is "slacking off" by any means.
He is in a slump and the best way to get out of one is to keep shooting although obviously his shot selection could be better.
In okay with Byron giving Kobe a longer leash than our young guys as this is most likely his last season. |
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greenfrog
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Snipes wrote: | Kobe has a few more games to jack up shots. Until then the FO and Byron will keep backing him. Right now the hope is that he needs to get his legs under him and shake off the rust. I pegged they'd give him about 20 games into the season, and his time is almost up.
I'm hopeful he has some good game left in him and he will figure it out soon. If he doesn't I think you'll start seeing full time facilitator Kobe because Byron and the FO will back him only for so long. |
Full time facilitating would even be more damaging to Russell, and he's barely learning point guard skills in this remedial offense as it is.
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frijolero01
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | CBaller8 wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | Man, I wonder what Byron is going to do when Kobe retires and can't protect him anymore. |
He has the Showtime squad for that. |
For all of the zipped mouths from them on Scotts incompetence, I can't wait to hear what they say when he's fired this summer. They're so irrational, I can see Worthy getting pissed and doing something crazy like leaving TWC. I can see Magic waging a media war. lol . |
Mychal Thompson is the only Showtime member who's criticized Byron |
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| Mini Mamba wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | anyone who has ever gone into work at a company as a young person, working hard to do a good job, while watching an older "veteran" slack off and make mistakes would sympathize with the resentment that builds for that kind of work culture. coddling veterans in an unequal manner is a very good way to lose talented young employees. and let's get it straight - the NBA is a business. |
I don't feel that Kobe is "slacking off" by any means.
He is in a slump and the best way to get out of one is to keep shooting although obviously his shot selection could be better.
In okay with Byron giving Kobe a longer leash than our young guys as this is most likely his last season. |
It's been a 3 season slump. It is what it is. The sooner everyone recognizes that and adapts the better the team will be.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Byron is terrible, but he’s kind of powerless in this situation. The front office has committed to making this season the Kobe farewell tour. What is Byron really supposed to do? Sit him on the bench instead of putting him in for all the casual fans who bought tickets to see Kobe live one last time? |
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FromMagicToKobe
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He doesn't need to sit Kobe on the bench, but he does need to tell him to cut the crap. I like seeing Kobe out there as much as anybody, even at this old age. But the 22 shots crap is garbage. Byron needs to let it be known that isn't acceptable. The way Kobe played on Friday was fine. Theres been several games where Kobe worked moreso within the offense and let things flow. He even had a pretty solid 7-15 shooting night a few games back. On Sunday he just went backwards and went stupid with the shots. He started off hot too, but couldn't contain himself.
It disappointed me and Byron's lack of even ANY accountability is just devastating. No one has the privilege to play the way Kobe did on Sunday. And mind you, Im not even apart of the "Clarkson/DLO/Randle should all be taking more shots than Kobe" crowd. Im perfectly fine with Kobe taking 14-18 shots a game and make 40-43% of them if its within the offense. But just ending a game 6-22 after starting 3-5? A 3-17 stretch? He lost the game for us.
Byron needs to acknowledge this. "I don't like seeing Kobe take as many shots as he did tonight. I'd definitely like to see him play within the offense more, initiate the ball movement like we know he can. " is really all he needs to say. We're not expecting him to take hard shots at Kobe but say SOMETHING except the "he has privilege" SMH |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Mini Mamba wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | anyone who has ever gone into work at a company as a young person, working hard to do a good job, while watching an older "veteran" slack off and make mistakes would sympathize with the resentment that builds for that kind of work culture. coddling veterans in an unequal manner is a very good way to lose talented young employees. and let's get it straight - the NBA is a business. |
I don't feel that Kobe is "slacking off" by any means.
He is in a slump and the best way to get out of one is to keep shooting although obviously his shot selection could be better.
In okay with Byron giving Kobe a longer leash than our young guys as this is most likely his last season. |
It's been a 3 season slump. It is what it is. The sooner everyone recognizes that and adapts the better the team will be. |
Better like 25 wins instead of 15 to 20?
I want our top 3 pick! 
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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What has Byron earned as a coach to be so close-minded, condescending, and arrogant?
I mean Phil earned the ability to bash players in the media, right Byron?
Can't wait til this clown is gone. He's never getting another NBA job so I hope he enjoys these next several months. |
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