Curry is the best player I've seen since prime Jordan. Kobe was great but he was never this good and efficient. Neither was Lebron, Wade, or Durant. All those guys had great teammates as well but could never be this efficient.
If he stays healthy he's going to go down as one of the top 5 players ever. Those 4 I mentioned are also ball stoppers and iso players. Curry for the most part plays in a ball movement system. He realistically could finish with 4 to 5 MVP's and the same number of championships. He's also doing it in a much better era as far as competition. Kobe's era didn't have the best all around competition like Curry is now.
is this still a debate??? is anyone watching whats he doing tonight to the Wizards???
36 pts on 13-14 shooting 8-9 from 3!!!!!!!!!! unreal!!!!
Perspective people. Curry is playing great right now, no doubt, but he is first and foremost a scorer and despite that has never scored 25 PPG in a season yet. His shooting this year is fantastic, and it's over 50% but that's for 1/2 season. He's never shot 50% for an entire season and people act like he's been playing at this level for years. He has never made a single all defensive team. He has a long way to go to achieve what Kobe has achieved
Stop with the defensive team crap, we are talking single season best
06 Kobe vs 16 Curry thats the census on what primes we are using to compare when those two were at their peaks
06 Kobe vs 16 Curry defensively is actually pretty close
Offensively Curry is better than Kobe and Curry will finish with a 50/40/90 season. I know Kobe is one of the GOATs but you cant deny what Steph Curry is doing right now is the GOAT SEASON and im a Kobe fan and i cant ignore what im seeing from a nightly basis. His impact is unimaginable!!!
I won't agree that offensively Curry is better than 05 - 06 Kobe, because Curry has way better teammates than Kobe had then. Kobe was carrying his team avg 35ppg. Curry is avg 29 and those numbers could go down. I take it you didn't watch Kobe play in 05 - 06.
Curry's WS is 10.9
Kobe's WS was 15.3
Yeah Kobe was definitely better at his peak than Curry, that is not taking anything away from Curry because he has been amazing given his size, but he has plenty of help. And his numbers will go down as the season goes along.
Back to Kobe's 2 year prime. You guys arguing that probably don't realize it, but you are selling Kobe short by saying his prime was only 2 years.
Smh VLF you were better off not posting anything at all. 05 - 06 was Kobe at his absolute peak season statistically. Again the comparison is Curry's absolute peak season vs Kobe's absolute peak season. No one is selling Kobe short, it's merely a meaningless discussion on a discussion board.
And common sense would tell you that was because those were the seasons that his teams were horrible and he was allowed to shoot almost 30 times a game. So sure, his stats would look better. When he played on good teams his stats dropped significantly. Curry is doing what he is on more than 10 FGA per game less on a team that is tearing up the league. As I said, you are selling Kobe short by using those two seasons as examples, you are basically saying Kobe is really good when his team sucks and he is allowed to go straight ball hog. And that is flattering for no player.
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Curry is the best player I've seen since prime Jordan. Kobe was great but he was never this good and efficient. Neither was Lebron, Wade, or Durant. All those guys had great teammates as well but could never be this efficient.
If he stays healthy he's going to go down as one of the top 5 players ever. Those 4 I mentioned are also ball stoppers and iso players. Curry for the most part plays in a ball movement system. He realistically could finish with 4 to 5 MVP's and the same number of championships. He's also doing it in a much better era as far as competition. Kobe's era didn't have the best all around competition like Curry is now.
Yeah not sure how Curry is better than Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Duncan and than guys like KG, Wade, and Dirk.
Nope, Curry is only good in this era where hard foul isn't allow. Imagine curry having to face prime Gary Payton and the Warrior do not even reach the conference final let alone the final.
Curry is good but he cannot play in the 90's or early 2000's. _________________ I will make better threads.
Those players in the 90's would have problems playing in this era without a consistent jumpshot. Curry has changed the way the game is played. You guys think prime Shaq would want to hedge on Curry in P&R?
As great as Shaq was he'd get worn out trying to defend Curry on a ball screen. All those slow lumbering centers would have a tough time defending him.
After watching Curry's 25 point first-quarter, I couldn't help but remember Kobe's 30 point third-quarter against the Jazz:
Why Kobe's scoring was way more impressive IMO:
1) Slower pace back then. Today's pace favors three-point shooting teams and the Warriors run a D'Antoni-style offense. Imagine Kobe in a run and gun offense.
2) Kobe's doing it with a really mediocre supporting cast and he has to isolate a lot, while Curry's is within the flow of the offense. A lot of the shots are created for him.
3) He's going up against one of the leagues premiere defenders in Kirilenko.
4) Curry is arguably playing for the best team in NBA history. Kobe's playing for one of the worst teams in Laker history.
If Curry were not on the Warriors, they would not even be the best team in the current league, let alone "best team in history" discussion.
That is pretty funny. Hey, so and so is having an amazing, one of a kind season this year on the PGa Tour.
"No, he's not, he's arguably the best golfer in history so it doesn't count".
Not sure why people have to complicate it. I'd have to imagine the conversation feels threatening? Maybe they made a bold prediction about Curry sucking and they're trying to defend it? Hardcore Kobe fans, etc.
To me, it's simple. Curry is doing things that have never been done by a center let alone point guard. He is well on his way to having the finest statistical season of any human being to have ever played the game.
If he ends the season on these kinds of number, it's an easy candidate for a GOAT caliber season. But to be a GOAT candidate ya gotta consistently maintain a high level of play over time.
So when you're debating this, you have to come at it from the same perspective. Are we talking this season compared to Kobe's prime season? Then yes, it meets if not exceeds it. But of we're talking about comparing prime eras in totality, Kobe wins easily IMO.
Nope, Curry is only good in this era where hard foul isn't allow. Imagine curry having to face prime Gary Payton and the Warrior do not even reach the conference final let alone the final.
Curry is good but he cannot play in the 90's or early 2000's.
Nope, Curry is only good in this era where hard foul isn't allow. Imagine curry having to face prime Gary Payton and the Warrior do not even reach the conference final let alone the final.
Curry is good but he cannot play in the 90's or early 2000's.
Curry would have it easier in the 80s. The defenses back then encouraged outside shots.
Curry is the best player I've seen since prime Jordan. Kobe was great but he was never this good and efficient. Neither was Lebron, Wade, or Durant. All those guys had great teammates as well but could never be this efficient.
If he stays healthy he's going to go down as one of the top 5 players ever. Those 4 I mentioned are also ball stoppers and iso players. Curry for the most part plays in a ball movement system. He realistically could finish with 4 to 5 MVP's and the same number of championships. He's also doing it in a much better era as far as competition. Kobe's era didn't have the best all around competition like Curry is now.
Yeah not sure how Curry is better than Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Duncan and than guys like KG, Wade, and Dirk.
i know. dudes just LOVE being all giddy and hyped and go overboard.
Curry definitely has all time great potential, he looks to be on his way. But how the hell is he better than any of the guys you just named. Longevity is a big part of this, you got to sustain this for years to be listed above other all time greats. As far as this season specifically, Curry is having one of the best seasons ever. Maybe even the best when its all said and done. 50/40/90, 70+ wins and a title would be off the charts
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:05 pm Post subject:
ringfinger wrote:
thehotsung8701A wrote:
Nope, Curry is only good in this era where hard foul isn't allow. Imagine curry having to face prime Gary Payton and the Warrior do not even reach the conference final let alone the final.
Curry is good but he cannot play in the 90's or early 2000's.
Why would he have to be good in the 50s???
Your comment makes no sense.
I do agree that Curry is top 2 during his era, and also that Kobe was top 2 during his era. Isn't that good enough? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Those players in the 90's would have problems playing in this era without a consistent jumpshot. Curry has changed the way the game is played. You guys think prime Shaq would want to hedge on Curry in P&R?
As great as Shaq was he'd get worn out trying to defend Curry on a ball screen. All those slow lumbering centers would have a tough time defending him.
so you mean this era golden state will win against the Kings, Spurs, Blzaers and mostly lakers of 2000, 2001, 2003 and then Pistons of 2004 or the boston and lakers of 2008 thru 2010?
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Shaq, Iverson, Pippen, Sheed Wallace, Stoudamire (blazers), Rick Hamilton, Big Ben, Nash, Tmac, Yao Ming, The Admiral, Bruce Lee Bowen, Payton Manning, MJ, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson, Jason Kidd, Ray Allen, Webber, Vlade Divac,
Just to mention a few players in Kobe prime years.
2. Near Retirement
Tim Duncan, Pierce, KG, Kobe Bryant, Wade, Bosh, Dirk,
3. Kobe stoppers
Battier, Pippen, Mj, Reggie Miller, Artest, Patterson. All Suns Players, All Boston Players, All Raptors players, All Dalaas Mavericks, Bron, Wade, Durant, Melo, Tmac, kirlinko, etc
4 Washed ups
Too many to mention
5 Getting old
Tony Parker, Bron, David West, Aldriege, Gasol brothers, Melo, Williams (once a great pg), etc
Dude, Curry never faces the defenses thrwlown at Kobe. Or face a dominant defensive team like Spurs. Remember the Suns with Nash at the prime? They got punked by Duncan n Spurs also at their prime.
1. RETIRED
Shaq, Iverson, Pippen, Sheed Wallace, Stoudamire (blazers), Rick Hamilton, Big Ben, Nash, Tmac, Yao Ming, The Admiral, Bruce Lee Bowen, Payton Manning, MJ, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson, Jason Kidd, Ray Allen, Webber, Vlade Divac,
Just to mention a few players in Kobe prime years.
2. Near Retirement
Tim Duncan, Pierce, KG, Kobe Bryant, Wade, Bosh, Dirk,
3. Kobe stoppers
Battier, Pippen, Mj, Reggie Miller, Artest, Patterson. All Suns Players, All Boston Players, All Raptors players, All Dalaas Mavericks, Bron, Wade, Durant, Melo, Tmac, kirlinko, etc
4 Washed ups
Too many to mention
5 Getting old
Tony Parker, Bron, David West, Aldriege, Gasol brothers, Melo, Williams (once a great pg), etc
Dude, Curry never faces the defenses thrwlown at Kobe. Or face a dominant defensive team like Spurs. Remember the Suns with Nash at the prime? They got punked by Duncan n Spurs also at their prime.
GS is a good team. Spurs will stop them in the western finals.
Of course Curry never faces the defenses thrown at Kobe in his prime.
I'm not sure if you've been asleep but Kobe's prime was a decade ago!!
1. RETIRED
Shaq, Iverson, Pippen, Sheed Wallace, Stoudamire (blazers), Rick Hamilton, Big Ben, Nash, Tmac, Yao Ming, The Admiral, Bruce Lee Bowen, Payton Manning, MJ, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson, Jason Kidd, Ray Allen, Webber, Vlade Divac,
Just to mention a few players in Kobe prime years.
2. Near Retirement
Tim Duncan, Pierce, KG, Kobe Bryant, Wade, Bosh, Dirk,
3. Kobe stoppers
Battier, Pippen, Mj, Reggie Miller, Artest, Patterson. All Suns Players, All Boston Players, All Raptors players, All Dalaas Mavericks, Bron, Wade, Durant, Melo, Tmac, kirlinko, etc
4 Washed ups
Too many to mention
5 Getting old
Tony Parker, Bron, David West, Aldriege, Gasol brothers, Melo, Williams (once a great pg), etc
^ You're being too sensitive about this. I don't think most people are saying Curry is better than Kobe. Is that what you thought?
It's whether what Curry is doing this season, is right up there in terms of dominance, the way some of Kobe's seasons were.
It's not really Curry vs Kobe. It's Curry's play vs a standard of play.
the distinction doesn't make any sense.
i actually do think people are saying curry is better than kobe. i don't think all the comments i am hearing are being as subtle as what you wrote there...and it is very subtle.
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:57 pm Post subject:
ringfinger wrote:
^ You're being too sensitive about this. I don't think most people are saying Curry is better than Kobe. Is that what you thought?
It's whether what Curry is doing this season, is right up there in terms of dominance, the way some of Kobe's seasons were.
It's not really Curry vs Kobe. It's Curry's play vs a standard of play.
And the only way to compare different eras is to compare them to their peers. That is why the argument ends for me with Kobe being top 2 in his prime and Steph being top 2 in his prime. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
^ You're being too sensitive about this. I don't think most people are saying Curry is better than Kobe. Is that what you thought?
It's whether what Curry is doing this season, is right up there in terms of dominance, the way some of Kobe's seasons were.
It's not really Curry vs Kobe. It's Curry's play vs a standard of play.
the distinction doesn't make any sense.
i actually do think people are saying curry is better than kobe. i don't think all the comments i am hearing are being as subtle as what you wrote there...and it is very subtle.
Of course you do. You can tell from your posts. I think we all need to regain some perspective. Because we can't even compare primes yet. Curry's still in his.
So anyone comparing entire primes, on either side of the discussion, would be a moot point since Curry's prime is ongoing.
To me, there is only one discussion. Is what Curry doing comparable, to the level of domination we saw with Kobe? I think it is comparable.
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Apparently, the only person lacking common sense here is you, so give it up. Also try improving your reading comprehension first before quoting me.
