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| KBH wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | gorila wrote: | Also it's kinda funny how everyone probably thought this would be still Lebrons era and here comes this guy taking it away  |
Yeah, the script said that the baton would go from Lebron to Durant. No one saw Curry coming. |
part of the reason why no one saw curry coming is because it is partly a creation. media and the warriors have really run with the idea that curry is responsible for all this vs the sophisticated strategy they've come up...which is such that you can stick any talented 3point shooter in curry's spot and it will do fine. |
Curry is shooting 43% from 27 feet plus. To put this in perspective, you're elite if you hit that percentage from midrange. But yeah, Curry is just any three point shooter. lmao |
That's not actually happening you know. The media made it up. It's a conspiracy! Like parenting! |
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For those who are screaming "STEPHEN CURRY DOESN'T GET DOUBLE OR TRIPLE TEAMED", when was the last time we've seen a team give up a layup rather than a three on a fastbreak?
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During the Spurs game last week, I noticed they made a clear rule to stick with you behind the 3-point arc in transition, even if they allowed in a dunk in doing that. Have you noticed teams doing that more? |
| Quote: | Yes. The last four games, it has happened two or three times each game. People ignore all their defensive principles in transition. They end up just confused about which way to go. Draymond might be coming down in transition, and I'm running the wing, and a big man will run the lane, and you just see the moment of decision for whoever is in that position: Do they take away the dunk, or the 3?
And they are starting to cater to the 3. That is pretty entertaining at this point. I'm not even expecting to get the ball anymore. It almost confuses the guy that is passing. As a player who has an IQ for the game, you know the guy running the the lane is gonna be covered, and you throw it to the wing. To see it the other way is counterintuitive. |
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | gorila wrote: | | Also it's kinda funny how everyone probably thought this would be still Lebrons era and here comes this guy taking it away |
Yeah, the script said that the baton would go from Lebron to Durant. No one saw Curry coming. |
part of the reason why no one saw curry coming is because it is partly a creation. media and the warriors have really run with the idea that curry is responsible for all this vs the sophisticated strategy they've come up...which is such that you can stick any talented 3point shooter in curry's spot and it will do fine. |
Oh right, the media again. Is this what folks resort to when there are no more straws to grasp? It's, frankly, embarrassing. |
that's right, the media. it's embarrassing that you don't acknowledge the role of media in all of this. it's a big part of the basketball world, you know. |
The media has no impact on Curry's scoring prowess. They don't lower the basket, credit him for made baskets on missed shots, etc. Just stop.
When you've gotten to the point where you are, you've lost the discussion. By a landslide. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | KBH wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | gorila wrote: | | Also it's kinda funny how everyone probably thought this would be still Lebrons era and here comes this guy taking it away |
Yeah, the script said that the baton would go from Lebron to Durant. No one saw Curry coming. |
part of the reason why no one saw curry coming is because it is partly a creation. media and the warriors have really run with the idea that curry is responsible for all this vs the sophisticated strategy they've come up...which is such that you can stick any talented 3point shooter in curry's spot and it will do fine. |
Curry is shooting 43% from 27 feet plus. To put this in perspective, you're elite if you hit that percentage from midrange. But yeah, Curry is just any three point shooter. lmao |
That's not actually happening you know. The media made it up. It's a conspiracy! Like parenting! |
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BT-AG551_COUNT_16U_20160124141808.jpg
Actually, it seems I sold Curry a bit short. He's shooting 44.9% from 27-34 feet. But alas, we must accept that this is simply a mirage created by the media. |
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| KBH wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | KBH wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | gorila wrote: | | Also it's kinda funny how everyone probably thought this would be still Lebrons era and here comes this guy taking it away |
Yeah, the script said that the baton would go from Lebron to Durant. No one saw Curry coming. |
part of the reason why no one saw curry coming is because it is partly a creation. media and the warriors have really run with the idea that curry is responsible for all this vs the sophisticated strategy they've come up...which is such that you can stick any talented 3point shooter in curry's spot and it will do fine. |
Curry is shooting 43% from 27 feet plus. To put this in perspective, you're elite if you hit that percentage from midrange. But yeah, Curry is just any three point shooter. lmao |
That's not actually happening you know. The media made it up. It's a conspiracy! Like parenting! |
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BT-AG551_COUNT_16U_20160124141808.jpg
Actually, it seems I sold Curry a bit short. He's shooting 44.9% from 27-34 feet. But alas, we must accept that this is simply a mirage created by the media. |
What else can one say but zone! And era? And ... Media!!!!
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| ringfinger wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | gorila wrote: | | Also it's kinda funny how everyone probably thought this would be still Lebrons era and here comes this guy taking it away |
Yeah, the script said that the baton would go from Lebron to Durant. No one saw Curry coming. |
part of the reason why no one saw curry coming is because it is partly a creation. media and the warriors have really run with the idea that curry is responsible for all this vs the sophisticated strategy they've come up...which is such that you can stick any talented 3point shooter in curry's spot and it will do fine. |
Oh right, the media again. Is this what folks resort to when there are no more straws to grasp? It's, frankly, embarrassing. |
that's right, the media. it's embarrassing that you don't acknowledge the role of media in all of this. it's a big part of the basketball world, you know. |
The media has no impact on Curry's scoring prowess. They don't lower the basket, credit him for made baskets on missed shots, etc. Just stop.
When you've gotten to the point where you are, you've lost the discussion. By a landslide. |
This Media guy is definitely comparable to Kobe in his prime. Superboy mentions him in every discussion about Kobe and other elite players. |
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| KBH wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | gorila wrote: | | Also it's kinda funny how everyone probably thought this would be still Lebrons era and here comes this guy taking it away |
Yeah, the script said that the baton would go from Lebron to Durant. No one saw Curry coming. |
part of the reason why no one saw curry coming is because it is partly a creation. media and the warriors have really run with the idea that curry is responsible for all this vs the sophisticated strategy they've come up...which is such that you can stick any talented 3point shooter in curry's spot and it will do fine. |
Oh right, the media again. Is this what folks resort to when there are no more straws to grasp? It's, frankly, embarrassing. |
that's right, the media. it's embarrassing that you don't acknowledge the role of media in all of this. it's a big part of the basketball world, you know. |
The media has no impact on Curry's scoring prowess. They don't lower the basket, credit him for made baskets on missed shots, etc. Just stop.
When you've gotten to the point where you are, you've lost the discussion. By a landslide. |
This Media guy is definitely comparable to Kobe in his prime. Superboy mentions him in every discussion about Kobe and other elite players. |
you guys are silly.
the topic is about "seeing" curry coming, which is like how come the general public wasn't aware of how godly good curry is before? well, this awareness is a media issue and that's why i bring it up. you guys are usually the only ones lobbing personal stuff around these threads, and you do it whenever you don't like the way the discussion goes. nobody else is really getting personal in these threads. |
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | KBH wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | gorila wrote: | | Also it's kinda funny how everyone probably thought this would be still Lebrons era and here comes this guy taking it away |
Yeah, the script said that the baton would go from Lebron to Durant. No one saw Curry coming. |
part of the reason why no one saw curry coming is because it is partly a creation. media and the warriors have really run with the idea that curry is responsible for all this vs the sophisticated strategy they've come up...which is such that you can stick any talented 3point shooter in curry's spot and it will do fine. |
Oh right, the media again. Is this what folks resort to when there are no more straws to grasp? It's, frankly, embarrassing. |
that's right, the media. it's embarrassing that you don't acknowledge the role of media in all of this. it's a big part of the basketball world, you know. |
The media has no impact on Curry's scoring prowess. They don't lower the basket, credit him for made baskets on missed shots, etc. Just stop.
When you've gotten to the point where you are, you've lost the discussion. By a landslide. |
This Media guy is definitely comparable to Kobe in his prime. Superboy mentions him in every discussion about Kobe and other elite players. |
you guys are silly.
the topic is about "seeing" curry coming, which is like how come the general public wasn't aware of how godly good curry is before? well, this awareness is a media issue and that's why i bring it up. you guys are usually the only ones lobbing personal stuff around these threads, and you do it whenever you don't like the way the discussion goes. nobody else is really getting personal in these threads. |
No one made any personal comments. I'll post this graphic again.
http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BT-AG551_COUNT_16U_20160124141808.jpg
Like ringfinger said, we didn't see Curry coming because he's worked on his game and is getting better every year. No media narrative or offense can make you shoot the way he shoots. No media narrative or offense can make you shoot 44.9% from 27 to 34 feet. But when you predictably default to the same notes and arguments in every discussion about Kobe and X, you make yourself very easy to parody. |
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| Curry gets double teamed every single game many, many times. I hate to be disrespectful, but are you guys really watching the games or just spitting out some narrative? What do you think is the genesis of all those 4on3s that help Draymond rack up triple doubles? Teams are doubling Steph Curry on pick and rolls ABOVE THE ARC. That is something that has almost never been done before in the history of the game. The reason why is because Steph makes threes off the dribble at the same rate that most elite shooters make open spot up threes. You cannot easily replace that with any other shooter because virtually no one else has that kind of range or skill off the dribble. He can kill you from four feet behind the line on a pull three with elite efficiency. NO ONE ELSE IN THE LEAGUE IS DOING THIS. No one. He takes 5-6 threes like that per game and makes them at a 43% clip. This is forcing teams to double pick and rolls above the arc. I'm reiterating in case you don't understand the gravity of a player being so good that teams are conceding 4on3 action 25-28 feet away from the hoop. |
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| L4L wrote: | | Curry gets double teamed every single game many, many times. I hate to be disrespectful, but are you guys really watching the games or just spitting out some narrative? What do you think is the genesis of all those 4on3s that help Draymond rack up triple doubles? Teams are doubling Steph Curry on pick and rolls ABOVE THE ARC. That is something that has almost never been done before in the history of the game. The reason why is because Steph makes threes off the dribble at the same rate that most elite shooters make open spot up threes. You cannot easily replace that with any other shooter because virtually no one else has that kind of range or skill off the dribble. He can kill you from four feet behind the line on a pull three with elite efficiency. NO ONE ELSE IN THE LEAGUE IS DOING THIS. No one. He takes 5-6 threes like that per game and makes them at a 43% clip. This is forcing teams to double pick and rolls above the arc. I'm reiterating in case you don't understand the gravity of a player being so good that teams are conceding 4on3 action 25-28 feet away from the hoop. |
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| L4L wrote: | | Curry gets double teamed every single game many, many times. I hate to be disrespectful, but are you guys really watching the games or just spitting out some narrative? What do you think is the genesis of all those 4on3s that help Draymond rack up triple doubles? Teams are doubling Steph Curry on pick and rolls ABOVE THE ARC. That is something that has almost never been done before in the history of the game. The reason why is because Steph makes threes off the dribble at the same rate that most elite shooters make open spot up threes. You cannot easily replace that with any other shooter because virtually no one else has that kind of range or skill off the dribble. He can kill you from four feet behind the line on a pull three with elite efficiency. NO ONE ELSE IN THE LEAGUE IS DOING THIS. No one. He takes 5-6 threes like that per game and makes them at a 43% clip. This is forcing teams to double pick and rolls above the arc. I'm reiterating in case you don't understand the gravity of a player being so good that teams are conceding 4on3 action 25-28 feet away from the hoop. |
Are you dat media?
Great post BTW. But in before someone says Curry is open cuz Raymond Grain. |
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| L4L wrote: | | Curry gets double teamed every single game many, many times. I hate to be disrespectful, but are you guys really watching the games or just spitting out some narrative? What do you think is the genesis of all those 4on3s that help Draymond rack up triple doubles? Teams are doubling Steph Curry on pick and rolls ABOVE THE ARC. That is something that has almost never been done before in the history of the game. The reason why is because Steph makes threes off the dribble at the same rate that most elite shooters make open spot up threes. You cannot easily replace that with any other shooter because virtually no one else has that kind of range or skill off the dribble. He can kill you from four feet behind the line on a pull three with elite efficiency. NO ONE ELSE IN THE LEAGUE IS DOING THIS. No one. He takes 5-6 threes like that per game and makes them at a 43% clip. This is forcing teams to double pick and rolls above the arc. I'm reiterating in case you don't understand the gravity of a player being so good that teams are conceding 4on3 action 25-28 feet away from the hoop. |
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been preaching this and the only thing LG has given me is "DID HE SCORE 81 POINTS THOUGH?!
wtf is that lmaooo |
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Let's post the actual data:
Off The Dribble Threes:
3PA, 3P%
Curry: 5.7, 43.1%
McCollum: 2.5, 39.7%
Durant: 2.6, 38.6%
Paul: 2.8, 35.2%
Harden: 4.5, 33.9%
Lillard: 4.5, 32.0%
This list only includes players who average at least one three made off the dribble per game.
As you can see, there is absolutely no one in the league who takes as many of these shots as Steph and still makes them at an elite level. Off the dribble threes, particularly deep ones, used to be considered some of the worst shots in basketball.
Steph has changed the math. And he's really the only doing so in volume. |
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| L4L wrote: | Let's post the actual data:
Off The Dribble Threes:
3PA, 3P%
Curry: 5.7, 43.1%
McCollum: 2.5, 39.7%
Durant: 2.6, 38.6%
Paul: 2.8, 35.2%
Harden: 4.5, 33.9%
Lillard: 4.5, 32.0%
This list only includes players who average at least one three made off the dribble per game.
As you can see, there is absolutely no one in the league who takes as many of these shots as Steph and still makes them at an elite level. Off the dribble threes, particularly deep ones, used to be considered some of the worst shots in basketball.
Steph has changed the math. And he's really the only doing so in volume. |
again, you are very incorrectly attributing this to Curry, when it is in fact the warriors system that allows him to pull this increased numbers off. durant, for sure, swapped with curry would be more impressive. not sure about the others except lilliard, who i am high on also.
you have these names with the numbers listed. do you ever wonder or ask yourself if it's a coincidence that the guy with the highest percentage is also on the team that is designed uniquely for this kind of play? you can literally drop any of those players in there and their numbers would go up if they played that role. |
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | L4L wrote: | Let's post the actual data:
Off The Dribble Threes:
3PA, 3P%
Curry: 5.7, 43.1%
McCollum: 2.5, 39.7%
Durant: 2.6, 38.6%
Paul: 2.8, 35.2%
Harden: 4.5, 33.9%
Lillard: 4.5, 32.0%
This list only includes players who average at least one three made off the dribble per game.
As you can see, there is absolutely no one in the league who takes as many of these shots as Steph and still makes them at an elite level. Off the dribble threes, particularly deep ones, used to be considered some of the worst shots in basketball.
Steph has changed the math. And he's really the only doing so in volume. |
again, you are very incorrectly attributing this to Curry, when it is in fact the warriors system that allows him to pull this increased numbers off. durant, for sure, swapped with curry would be more impressive. not sure about the others except lilliard, who i am high on also.
you have these names with the numbers listed. do you ever wonder or ask yourself if it's a coincidence that the guy with the highest percentage is also on the team that is designed uniquely for this kind of play? you can literally drop any of those players in there and their numbers would go up if they played that role. |
This is insanity. What offense makes it easier for you to to make threes off the dribble? Why isn't every team running this system? What system enables you to shoot 44.9% on 27-34 foot threes? Why isn't every team running that system? Why isn't Steve Kerr running plays for Klay to take and make nearly 43% of his threes off the dribble since you said Curry is barely a better three point shooter than Klay? Why isn't Klay hitting nearly 44.9% of his threes from 27-34 feet since he's nearly as good a shooter as Curry?
The fact of the matter is Curry takes and makes these shots because he can no matter how much you plead that a system and the media can guide a basketball through a hoop. |
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SBR, how does system allow a player to make threes off the dribble at a higher rate than other players?
Seriously. Please give me the rationale instead of just repeating "system". Exactly what part of the system? What action? What play types?
Are you contending that Steph gets more uncontested looks than these other players? |
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| i think superboyreformed is trolling you guys |
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| FromMagicToKobe wrote: | | i think superboyreformed is trolling you guys |
At this point, trolling would make more sense. |
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| Money23 wrote: | https://t.co/fet1lITrBU
Horry says Curry is better the Kobe in his prime hmmm offensively
Former NBA player Robert Horry was put on the spot during an interview with Justin Termine on SiriusXM NBA Radio when asked to choose between Stephen Curry and peak Kobe Bryant as the most dangerous offensive player.
Horry, who played six and a half years and won three NBA championships next to Bryant, surprisingly picked Curry.
“Kobe in his prime really wasn’t that great of a three-point shooter,” Horry said. “He was a drive, get-to-the-hole, dunk-on-you type of guy. Steph can drive and float you. He can shoot it from half court. You have to guard him at all times.” |
The same Robert Horry that said Kobe is greatest player he has ever played with above guys like Shaq, Hakeem and Duncan. |
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| Arguing with super boy is a disservice to yourself. Don't take the bait. |
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Freaking PER and EFF garbage has made the whole world stupid. Kobe will bust Curry down to his tighty whities and make that boy go run off a screen all the way his bench.
There isn't any comparison. None... It's this type of stuff that makes me start to root against Curry. People need to keep everything he does in about 4 or 5 different perspectives. This new age small ball swagg generation garbage isn't basketball.
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| Darth Los Angeles wrote: | Freaking PER and EFF garbage has made the whole world stupid. Kobe will bust Curry down to his tighty whities and make that boy go run off a screen all the way his bench.
There isn't any comparison. None... It's this type of stuff that makes me start to root against Curry. People need to keep everything he does in about 4 or 5 different perspectives. This new age small ball swagg generation garbage isn't basketball. |
No comparison? What a (bleep) joke.
Take away every stat and if you're not blind and deaf you will see and hear Curry playing like very few others in NBA history. Stats are just the cherry on top. Almost every kind of statistical measure favors Curry. He is having a once in a generation season and you guys just plain need to appreciate that.
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| All I know is that Steph and Kobe are two different players with vastly different styles. They had teams built around their kind of offense in their prime so you can't really drop them into each others team and have them perform at optimum levels. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | All I know is that Steph and Kobe are two different players with vastly different styles. They had teams built around their kind of offense in their prime so you can't really drop them into each others team and have them perform at optimum levels. |
Not necessarily. You can't say that they are in similar situations. Kobe's team wasn't built for him the way Curry's team is built for him.
The Warriors are specifically built for small ball. And it is built in an age where zone is mature. And it was also specifically built because of the Curry/Thompson availability. it's not like any team can succeed with such a plan. In other words, it's not a general basketball strategy like the Princeton offense or something.
Kobe had to learn and adapt to an EXISTING style, the triangle brought by PJ and proven by the Bulls dynasty. So this represents Kobe doing the hard legwork to make himself fit and succeed in such a system. And people need to recognize this about him because it represents an individual accomplishment that Curry has not yet demonstrated. For Curry, the success is more handed to him on a silver platter. In Kobe's case, he had to work for it. Kobe was handed Shaq on a silver platter, you can say, but that works both ways and still a more difficult task than what Curry had to go through. |
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| Nightwalker wrote: | | Money23 wrote: | https://t.co/fet1lITrBU
Horry says Curry is better the Kobe in his prime hmmm offensively
Former NBA player Robert Horry was put on the spot during an interview with Justin Termine on SiriusXM NBA Radio when asked to choose between Stephen Curry and peak Kobe Bryant as the most dangerous offensive player.
Horry, who played six and a half years and won three NBA championships next to Bryant, surprisingly picked Curry.
“Kobe in his prime really wasn’t that great of a three-point shooter,” Horry said. “He was a drive, get-to-the-hole, dunk-on-you type of guy. Steph can drive and float you. He can shoot it from half court. You have to guard him at all times.” |
The same Robert Horry that said Kobe is greatest player he has ever played with above guys like Shaq, Hakeem and Duncan. |
see...here's where we can be glad we are in the internet. Horry can be right or wrong, he's human. if he says he wasn't that great of a three point shooter, what does he mean by that? I'm not sure...he himself is kind of a 3point specialist, so maybe he's talking about some subtle thing.
But we do have the internet, and we can see tons of highlights of Kobe shooting threes in a way that would be hard to distinguish from a specialist. he holds the record too. I don't think anyone else on the record list or close to it is a Kobe, in the sense that they are NOT the 3point specialist of the team.
So i wish people would talk more about video than numbers. You guys are not using numbers the right way. You can say I'm trolling or whatever, but if you really want...find anyone who is a stat expert and independently ask that person if you can draw the conclusions that you are so certain of based on the numbers you are providing. |
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