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Would you trade Lou Williams + #3 pick for CJ Miles, Myles Turner, and a Cap filler? |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:33 am Post subject: LAL/IND trade idea? |
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Off the top of my head. I didn't look into matching salaries or anything else.
The goal here is just to get increased spacing for the Lakers. The trade is contingent on landing a Top 3 pick.
The idea is to land:
Myles Turner
CJ Miles
Cap filler
For
Draft pick
Player to match the salaries. (Lou Williams? Nick Young?)
This kind of trade idea usually goes against what I usually think, but now that I am confident enough in Myles Turner's health and with the Lakers' previous interest in landing CJ Miles, would anyone do this kind of trade?
PG needs another stud player. Dunn, fits them perfectly... As much as I know the Lakers need franchise talent, they can do that through FA. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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KobeRe-Loaded Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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I'll pass since we already have Randle.
CJ Miles could have been had but the Lakers passed on him and gave Nick Young a 4 yr deal.
Plus having a top 3 pick guarantees at least Ingram or Dunn. I rather stock pile talent and use them to make a trade.
KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | If the Lakers have the #3 or #4 overall pick I would target Myles Turner out of Texas. He would be my PF of the future.
I know we have Randle but I would offer him to the Celtics for their lotto pick which should be around 8-12, if they don't budge I would throw in our Houston pick. At that range I would pick Willie Cauley Stein.
In FA, I'd target Omer Asik since Marc Gasol is a long shot. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I think there are better trade options with a #3 pick than Myles Turner/Miles. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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scoobs Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't do it. I like Turner's ability to space the floor and block shots but he is not worth a top 3 pick. |
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Mini Mamba Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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If we trade the pick it will be a veteran who can help us win sooner although I do like Turner's potential.
How about Lou Williams + #3 for Danilo Gallinari and #17?
Then in free agency sign DeRozan and Whiteside.
Russell/Clarkson
DeRozan/Young
Gallinari/Brown
Randle/Nance
Whiteside/Black |
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oldschool32 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Hell no to that one. If they get the pick, they better keep it, unless they are getting a star in return, which isn't happening. _________________ "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."-The Greatest |
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indy_dave000 Sixth Man
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Don't worry the Pacers are not trading the 19 year old Myles Turner who after coming back after missing 20 games is starting to produce big numbers.
If you watched tonight's game vs the Warriors he had 31 points, 8 boards and 2 blocks. On the 3 game road trip he has scored 71 points on 30 of 41 fga only 5 have been dunks he has very good range and quickness. He has also grabbed 20 rebounds and blocked 8 shots in those 3 games. He has done this playing 29 minutes a night off the bench.
Turner is already producing as an NBA Center/Power Forward
As far as I'm concerned you can have C J Miles but I want no part of Nick Young , I already prefer our Young Joe better. Nor do I want Lou Williams he is pretty much a lesser Monta Ellis clone.
In addition the Pacers will have cap space after the season to go after a pretty good free agent, they'll only have 56 mil in salary after the season. |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Turner will grow into the stretch 5 that Randle needs, gunna be an elite shot blocker. And also great in the P/R/pop with Russell. yes yes yes. He's a better fit than Dunn and after that he's a better prospect than the rest of the guys in this draft.
Cj Miles would also be a good pickup! |
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The Logo Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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His flashes show like Ralph Sampson, the more highlights I'm watching from him. I'd definitely do it, the question is whether Indiana would do it. Take away Turner and that leaves them without their best defensive big. |
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indy_dave000 Sixth Man
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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The Pacers would not do it. He's only 19, the last 5 games he's averaging 19.6 ppg (42/65 fga) 6 rpg and 2.8 ppg in 27minutes a night. He missed 20 games prior to coming back in late December.
He is seen as the building block of youth to add with Paul George. He showed what he can do vs the Warriors last week 28 minutes 31 points (12/17 fga's) 8 boards and 2 blocks .
He turns 20 in March, he's actually younger than Kentucky's highly regarded freshman Skal Labissier, only 7 months older than Jaylen Brown, 2yrs younger than Kris Dunn, younger than Jacob Poetl all considered lottery picks this year. Ben Simmons is only 4 months younger than Myles Turner.
Why would the Pacers move a young big already producing when healthy who was considered the #2 recruit prior to last college season for players with less upside? Aside from Ben Simmons who has no jump shot. The jumper with range is Turner's strong suit.
You could have CJ Miles for a 2nd round pick as far as I'm concerned, but I don't see Larry Bird dealing Myles Turner any time soon
In his last game vs the Clippers he had 16 points, 6 boards,and a block in 18 minutes. He was 7 of 11 from the field |
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22 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:13 am Post subject: |
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YES.
After we SEENT Turner in SPL and how his body/gait changed I was sold on Turner.
I'd do this deal in a heartbeat |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Indy, I understand how much value the Pacers have in Myles Turner.
My question to them is, how much would they value guys like Simmons, Ingram, or especially Kris Dunn. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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22 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Mike.
#1 overall for Turner and Mighty Joe? |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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22 wrote: | Mike.
#1 overall for Turner and Mighty Joe? |
I'll take CJ Miles to give up Lou Williams to help balance out the contracts. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Why don't we see:
1. if we get a top 3 pick;
2. if Turner can last the season and possibly playoffs. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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22 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | 22 wrote: | Mike.
#1 overall for Turner and Mighty Joe? |
I'll take CJ Miles to give up Lou Williams to help balance out the contracts. |
Fair enough. I'd still say yes either way |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Why don't we see:
1. if we get a top 3 pick;
2. if Turner can last the season and possibly playoffs. |
It's an idea that would be ready by the offseason. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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indy_dave000 Sixth Man
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Simmons and Ingram are gone at 1 and 2, so they don't enter into the discussion. The Kentucky big Skal Labissier is the same age as Myles . Dunn is 2 years older. Even Ben Simmons is only 4 months younger than Turner.
Dunn is a pg, I'd value a 6'11 19 yr old over a point guard.
Tonight in his 1st career start at power forward; Myles Turner went for 20 points and 6, with a block in 26 minutes. LaVoy Allen forced to the bench by the move responded with 4 points and 12 rebounds in 20 minutes good production from the power forwards.
After reading an interview of Larry Bird today, he said Myles was his target before the draft but didn't expect him to be there at11, Bird has a man crush on Turner if you read the interview or watch him talk about him. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Indy, the Lakers haven't even landed the pick yet. It's possible that Indiana could acquire Simmons or Ingram.
Also, once again, totally understand that Bird loves Myles Turner. But also think Bird has to consider Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, whoever he wants if the Lakers even consider it. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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indy_dave000 Sixth Man
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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You obviously don't understand Larry Bird when he gets a man crush on a player, he sees Turner as the prototype stretch 4 or stretch 5 , who can also protect the rim. He picked Myles with the plan of changing the way the team played he is Larry's new favorite toy.
Ben Simmons is many ways a Lamar Odom ( at his best clone). Bird sees Turner as a game changer big something that is very hard to find. Within a year or so Turner will prob add 10-15 pounds of muscle and become a much harder to guard down low.
We obviously disagree on Turner's upside and how much Bird likes him.
Turner was the 2nd ranked high school recruit behind Okafor coming out of high school, but Rick Barnes was clueless on how to use him at Texas. That and his odd running style drove his draft stock down.
Bird feels much like with Paul George that with Myles Turner, he found a star others overlooked. Larry will attempt to polish his diamond either for better or worse. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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indy_dave000 wrote: | You obviously don't understand Larry Bird when he gets a man crush on a player, he sees Turner as the prototype stretch 4 or stretch 5 , who can also protect the rim. He picked Myles with the plan of changing the way the team played he is Larry's new favorite toy.
Ben Simmons is many ways a Lamar Odom ( at his best clone). Bird sees Turner as a game changer big something that is very hard to find. Within a year or so Turner will prob add 10-15 pounds of muscle and become a much harder to guard down low.
We obviously disagree on Turner's upside and how much Bird likes him.
Turner was the 2nd ranked high school recruit behind Okafor coming out of high school, but Rick Barnes was clueless on how to use him at Texas. That and his odd running style drove his draft stock down.
Bird feels much like with Paul George that with Myles Turner, he found a star others overlooked. Larry will attempt to polish his diamond either for better or worse. |
No I don't. But I think that a GM that has a chance to get a rookie contract and potential franchise player and flat out refuses to look, isn't being a smart GM too.
We don't disagree on how much Bird likes him. We disagree on his upside.
I'm more than aware of Turner's past credentials and where the holes are in his game. I am also aware of his abilities.
But unless you know Bird sees Turner as a franchise player, something I don't think he's ever admitted, he has to at least think and explore the idea. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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indy_dave000 Sixth Man
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Bird has never had a top 9 pick in the draft. Not sure he'd know what to do with one. |
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22 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Dave, stop your arguing and agree to trade us Turner for the top 3 we don't have yet!
Really high on Turner. I hope Bird gets caught up in the Simmons hype and the Lakers get the pick and make the call |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:55 am Post subject: |
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22 wrote: | Dave, stop your arguing and agree to trade us Turner for the top 3 we don't have yet!
Really high on Turner. I hope Bird gets caught up in the Simmons hype and the Lakers get the pick and make the call |
I don't think they will. It's a great problem to have Ben Simmons. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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... And there goes any thought of any kind of tiny chance of trading #3 for Myles Turner. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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