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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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4stargeneralbulldog Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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From 1-20 is going to be controversial for a lot of NBA fans as do most of these lists. I guess ESPN needs the hits. |
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It will be interesting to see where current players Kobe, Duncan and Lebron end up on this list. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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ksmgf Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | It will be interesting to see where current players Kobe, Duncan and Lebron end up on this list. |
I just got this feeling that ESPN will rank Lebron higher than kobe |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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They're gonna put Kobe at #11 or #12, it's too easy to stir up some controversy and get a bunch of clicks from angry Kobe fans. Lebron & Duncan inside Top 10 |
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | They're gonna put Kobe at #11 or #12, it's too easy to stir up some controversy and get a bunch of clicks from angry Kobe fans. Lebron & Duncan inside Top 10 |
The way they did the list -- having voters do thousands of side by side comparisons -- make it hard if not impossible to position a player in a certain spot on purpose. I don't believe people like Larry Coon are making choices they don't agree with just to create clicks for this list.
My guess is all three of them make the top 10.
Think it will be, in some order:
Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, Bird, Jordan, Kobe, Magic.
It is conceivable that Kobe gets knocked down to 11 by Hakeem, but that's as low as I could see him going. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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They had a roundtable of four ESPN writers where I think unanimously they all put him in the 11-15 range. IIRC Hakeem & the Big O were the two guys who pushed him out of the Top-10 outside of the 9 guys you already listed. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Oscar Robertson was in some top 10's for awhile. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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saetarubia Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Few of their analysts put Kobe outside the top 10 when he announced his retirement. |
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999 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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if they put AI, Garnett, Dirk, Lebron, Melo, Curry, and Wade over Kobe I think my lose my S*** |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | if they put AI, Garnett, Dirk, Lebron, Melo, Curry, and Wade over Kobe I think my lose my S*** |
They already ranked Kobe over Wade and AI. Melo didn't make the top 10 at his position. I expect that Lebron will rank above Kobe, but that Garnett, Dirk, and Curry will not. I expect Kobe to fall somewhere in the 9-14 range. I guess we'll find out sometime around the end of next week. |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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I'm surprised Thurmond is so low. |
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activeverb Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | if they put AI, Garnett, Dirk, Lebron, Melo, Curry, and Wade over Kobe I think my lose my S*** |
I could see them ranking Lebron higher than Kobe, but not any of the others. |
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Treble Clef Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | if they put AI, Garnett, Dirk, Lebron, Melo, Curry, and Wade over Kobe I think my lose my S*** |
I could see them ranking Lebron higher than Kobe, but not any of the others. |
Yeah I can only see Duncan and LeBron being ranked in front of him. KG, Dirk, and Wade will be a few spots down. AI and Melo won't be close. |
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non-player zealot Franchise Player
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vanexelent Retired Number
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non-player zealot wrote: | Kevin Love. Don't buy that'n. Who would rather have him over Marc Gasol? |
I haven't sat down to do a top 100, but my feeling is Kevin Love isn't one of the best 100 guys to ever play. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:32 am Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | They had a roundtable of four ESPN writers where I think unanimously they all put him in the 11-15 range. IIRC Hakeem & the Big O were the two guys who pushed him out of the Top-10 outside of the 9 guys you already listed. |
One of the writers, I recall placed, him 6-12 or something like that. The concensus was that he fell just outside the top 10, 11 or 12. However, this is a different process. The voters don't specifically rank players. They are given tons of players to compare (is X better than Y) and the listings are based on that. My guess is Kobe will fall 8-12 on this list.
I'd put him in the top 10 myself, but I can understand people who would knock him off the top 10 in place of Hakeem and Oscar. In my view, there are at least a dozen guys who are reasonable choices for the top 10, so inevitably someone has to be left off. |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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ksmgf Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank160121/all-nbarank-81-90
The next wave. Still nothing terribly interesting. Some people will think that Billups and DJ should rank higher. |
Chris Bosh should be higher |
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4stargeneralbulldog Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:49 am Post subject: |
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I was thinking a guy like Brad Daugherty would be in the 90-100 range. He played 8 seasons and had 6 healthy ones, which were really good for those years he was healthy. |
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4stargeneralbulldog Starting Rotation
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kaoss128 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Mo Cheeks in the top 100? Seriously? |
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kaoss128 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Mutombo over Pistol Pete? Come on ESPN. |
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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kaoss128 wrote: | Mutombo over Pistol Pete? Come on ESPN. |
Well, if I were starting a team or doing a playground choose-up with one or the other, I'd choose Mutombo. Pete was fun to watch, but for my franchise's future, pure basketball entertainment comes second to tenacity. |
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richsmith Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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The top 12 should be, in some order, Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Hakeem, Oscar, and LeBron. I personally think Hakeem shades it over the latter two, but as it's ESPN, there's almost no chance LeBron doesn't make the top ten, probably at Hakeem's expense but possibly at Kobe's.
It will be interesting to see, as time goes on, how people end up separating Shaq, Kobe and Duncan. To me, it's almost impossible to separate the three, I see them all ranked equally at #7. I guess if Duncan wins another ring, and puts in a very strong playoff performance as he usually does, he make get some separation from O'Neal and Bryant. |
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