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Baron Von Humongous
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 Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:29 pm Post subject: Andrew Sharp: "Why Rockets, 76ers have failed to launch" |
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Basically, the league has adapted quickly to Morey and Hinkie's "The Process" (except the Kings), and have incorporated effective analytics-based techniques into a holistic team-building approach that is the foundation for the most successful teams like GSW and the Spurs.
I can't copy and paste excerpts, but it's a quick, fun read that takes a fairly even-handed crack at assessing "The Process" in 2016: Link |
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Worthy42
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Never realzied Hinkie was Morey's protege. Makes so much sense now.  |
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Dreamshake
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The writer is way, wayyyyy off. For starters, Morey and Hinkie's process is nothing alike. Morey does not believe in tanking. Well, the owner (Les Alexander) won't allow him to tank, so his job was to accumulate assets in order to upgrade talent until a team becomes a contender. Once his moves led to star players (and they did) and that team looked like a contender, he stopped flipping folks and pretty much brought the entire team back (Josh Smith left for less $$). When he took over in Houston and had established stars in Yao/T-Mac, he wasn't trading everyone trying to land stars either. Harden looked like a great leader last year, when Morey's moves had Houston in contender status. But it's kinda silly to say the strategy of flipping assets to land star players doesn't work because you were able to land the wrong star players. If the star players appeared to be great star players previously then your assets won't be able to acquire them. The writer also incorrectly notes that Bosh didn't come to Houston because of the stars here, when he chose to stay in Miami because they gave him a full 5 year max that only they could provide.
Hinkie's process is to acquire star talent via the draft and let them grow together. The writer even notes that Philly bet their future on lottery odds. That's exactly what Les won't allow Morey to do, which is why his only options are to accumulate assets to trade (since he can't get a pick high enough to draft a star) or create caproom to sign one.
Pretty bad article. The only thing in common between the two is one worked for the other. But their process to team building is nothing alike. I would be as silly to try and link Morey's team building to how Ainge builds teams simply because he used to work under him. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Dreamshake wrote: | The writer is way, wayyyyy off. For starters, Morey and Hinkie's process is nothing alike. Morey does not believe in tanking. Well, the owner (Les Alexander) won't allow him to tank, so his job was to accumulate assets in order to upgrade talent until a team becomes a contender. Once his moves led to star players (and they did) and that team looked like a contender, he stopped flipping folks and pretty much brought the entire team back (Josh Smith left for less $$). When he took over in Houston and had established stars in Yao/T-Mac, he wasn't trading everyone trying to land stars either. Harden looked like a great leader last year, when Morey's moves had Houston in contender status. But it's kinda silly to say the strategy of flipping assets to land star players doesn't work because you were able to land the wrong star players. If the star players appeared to be great star players previously then your assets won't be able to acquire them. The writer also incorrectly notes that Bosh didn't come to Houston because of the stars here, when he chose to stay in Miami because they gave him a full 5 year max that only they could provide.
Hinkie's process is to acquire star talent via the draft and let them grow together. The writer even notes that Philly bet their future on lottery odds. That's exactly what Les won't allow Morey to do, which is why his only options are to accumulate assets to trade (since he can't get a pick high enough to draft a star) or create caproom to sign one.
Pretty bad article. The only thing in common between the two is one worked for the other. But their process to team building is nothing alike. I would be as silly to try and link Morey's team building to how Ainge builds teams simply because he used to work under him. |
Except when he trades one young player after winning ROY and shopping their high first round pick from last season. I think that Morey makes some good decisions analytically, but fails in assessing personalities and developing team chemistry. Hinkie just seems to be running by the seat of his pants.
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Dreamshake
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: | The writer is way, wayyyyy off. For starters, Morey and Hinkie's process is nothing alike. Morey does not believe in tanking. Well, the owner (Les Alexander) won't allow him to tank, so his job was to accumulate assets in order to upgrade talent until a team becomes a contender. Once his moves led to star players (and they did) and that team looked like a contender, he stopped flipping folks and pretty much brought the entire team back (Josh Smith left for less $$). When he took over in Houston and had established stars in Yao/T-Mac, he wasn't trading everyone trying to land stars either. Harden looked like a great leader last year, when Morey's moves had Houston in contender status. But it's kinda silly to say the strategy of flipping assets to land star players doesn't work because you were able to land the wrong star players. If the star players appeared to be great star players previously then your assets won't be able to acquire them. The writer also incorrectly notes that Bosh didn't come to Houston because of the stars here, when he chose to stay in Miami because they gave him a full 5 year max that only they could provide.
Hinkie's process is to acquire star talent via the draft and let them grow together. The writer even notes that Philly bet their future on lottery odds. That's exactly what Les won't allow Morey to do, which is why his only options are to accumulate assets to trade (since he can't get a pick high enough to draft a star) or create caproom to sign one.
Pretty bad article. The only thing in common between the two is one worked for the other. But their process to team building is nothing alike. I would be as silly to try and link Morey's team building to how Ainge builds teams simply because he used to work under him. |
Except when he trades one young player after winning ROY and shopping their high first round pick from last season. I think that Morey makes some good decisions analytically, but fails in assessing personalities and developing team chemistry. Hinkie just seems to be running by the seat of his pants. |
While I don't agree with that assessment, that wasn't the writers point. He tries to compare two GM's that have a completely different model when it comes to putting a roster together. The Sixers don't care about winning games and are trying to build through the draft. The Rockets owner won't allow the team to tank and demands that we stay competitive even if rebuilding. We built via trades and free agency, not the draft. The teams strategies couldn't be more different. |
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VegasLakerFan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:48 am Post subject: Re: Andrew Sharp: "Why Rockets, 76ers have failed to launch" |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Basically, the league has adapted quickly to Morey and Hinkie's "The Process" (except the Kings), and have incorporated effective analytics-based techniques into a holistic team-building approach that is the foundation for the most successful teams like GSW and the Spurs.
I can't copy and paste excerpts, but it's a quick, fun read that takes a fairly even-handed crack at assessing "The Process" in 2016: Link |
Great article. Nice insight into the impersonal touch behind Hinkie's and Morey's failures. Makes sense now. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dreamshake wrote: | The writer is way, wayyyyy off. For starters, Morey and Hinkie's process is nothing alike. Morey does not believe in tanking. Well, the owner (Les Alexander) won't allow him to tank, so his job was to accumulate assets in order to upgrade talent until a team becomes a contender. Once his moves led to star players (and they did) and that team looked like a contender, he stopped flipping folks and pretty much brought the entire team back (Josh Smith left for less $$). When he took over in Houston and had established stars in Yao/T-Mac, he wasn't trading everyone trying to land stars either. Harden looked like a great leader last year, when Morey's moves had Houston in contender status. But it's kinda silly to say the strategy of flipping assets to land star players doesn't work because you were able to land the wrong star players. If the star players appeared to be great star players previously then your assets won't be able to acquire them. The writer also incorrectly notes that Bosh didn't come to Houston because of the stars here, when he chose to stay in Miami because they gave him a full 5 year max that only they could provide.
Hinkie's process is to acquire star talent via the draft and let them grow together. The writer even notes that Philly bet their future on lottery odds. That's exactly what Les won't allow Morey to do, which is why his only options are to accumulate assets to trade (since he can't get a pick high enough to draft a star) or create caproom to sign one.
Pretty bad article. The only thing in common between the two is one worked for the other. But their process to team building is nothing alike. I would be as silly to try and link Morey's team building to how Ainge builds teams simply because he used to work under him. |
Except when he trades one young player after winning ROY and shopping their high first round pick from last season. I think that Morey makes some good decisions analytically, but fails in assessing personalities and developing team chemistry. Hinkie just seems to be running by the seat of his pants. |
While I don't agree with that assessment, that wasn't the writers point. He tries to compare two GM's that have a completely different model when it comes to putting a roster together. The Sixers don't care about winning games and are trying to build through the draft. The Rockets owner won't allow the team to tank and demands that we stay competitive even if rebuilding. We built via trades and free agency, not the draft. The teams strategies couldn't be more different. |
I probably stated it poorly but I was agreeing with you. They aren't similar.
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