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KobeRe-Loaded Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:19 pm Post subject: What is DLo's true position? |
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So I've read a comment where he says he has never played PG.
So LG, which position do you think DLo should play?
Me, I think he likes to freestyle and play whatever the game tempo dictates. Ultimately SG with occasional ball handling duties.
Yeah, I purposely left the "Combo" guard choice out. _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Lakers are grooming him as a "PG."
If he was playing pure "SG," I don't think Scott would jerk him around as much if his only job was to score. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers are grooming him as a "PG."
If he was playing pure "SG," I don't think Scott would jerk him around as much if his only job was to score. |
I think that is the problem. _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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He's a modern center that can play the 6 and maybe even the 7 _________________ Kobe |
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers are grooming him as a "PG."
If he was playing pure "SG," I don't think Scott would jerk him around as much if his only job was to score. |
I think that is the problem. |
So your solution is what exactly? I think it's a waste of JC's talents to have him "set up" Byron's offense each time. I toyed around with the idea of DLO being a shooting guard earlier this year too, but I think he just facilitates passing better than any of the PG options we have. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers are grooming him as a "PG."
If he was playing pure "SG," I don't think Scott would jerk him around as much if his only job was to score. |
I think that is the problem. |
So your solution is what exactly? I think it's a waste of JC's talents to have him "set up" Byron's offense each time. I toyed around with the idea of DLO being a shooting guard earlier this year too, but I think he just facilitates passing better than any of the PG options we have. |
Solution, let him play SG more and learn.
I'm not sold on JC and locking him up this summer. I'm open to the idea of getting a TRUE PG to run the team ... Mike Conley or Jeff Teague.
I like the versatility of DLo at 6'5" to defend both the 1 & 2.
If the Lakers whiff on Durant, my dream scenario is to have Westbrook as our PG. DLo play the 2. DeRozan at the 3.
Use DLo almost like a swiss army knife at the Guard spot. _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Meh... I think we are at the point where pigeonholing a player doesn't have much significance. It used to be that the PG would bring the ball up, initiate the offense and find the open man. Now you have guys like Draymond Green doing all of that and more.
Curry is the prototypical roboshooter "guard" and guys like Lillard are following suit. You have to be able to shoot to stay on the floor. It's the reason guys like Hibbert are antiquated now.
If we're talking about match-ups, Russell is more of a PG in a SGs body. He has no business guarding guys like Tony Parker or Ty Lawson. That should be Clarkson's role since he's supposedly faster and more athletic.
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers are grooming him as a "PG."
If he was playing pure "SG," I don't think Scott would jerk him around as much if his only job was to score. |
I think that is the problem. |
So your solution is what exactly? I think it's a waste of JC's talents to have him "set up" Byron's offense each time. I toyed around with the idea of DLO being a shooting guard earlier this year too, but I think he just facilitates passing better than any of the PG options we have. |
Solution, let him play SG more and learn.
I'm not sold on JC and locking him up this summer. I'm open to the idea of getting a TRUE PG to run the team ... Mike Conley or Jeff Teague.
I like the versatility of DLo at 6'5" to defend both the 1 & 2.
If the Lakers whiff on Durant, my dream scenario is to have Westbrook as our PG. DLo play the 2. DeRozan at the 3.
Use DLo almost like a swiss army knife at the Guard spot. |
I have thought about the bolded. This is where I see DLO being valuable b/c he could fit in with those two ball dominant guys (actually that's my NBA 2K16 team ). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers are grooming him as a "PG."
If he was playing pure "SG," I don't think Scott would jerk him around as much if his only job was to score. |
I think that is the problem. |
So your solution is what exactly? I think it's a waste of JC's talents to have him "set up" Byron's offense each time. I toyed around with the idea of DLO being a shooting guard earlier this year too, but I think he just facilitates passing better than any of the PG options we have. |
Solution, let him play SG more and learn.
I'm not sold on JC and locking him up this summer. I'm open to the idea of getting a TRUE PG to run the team ... Mike Conley or Jeff Teague.
I like the versatility of DLo at 6'5" to defend both the 1 & 2.
If the Lakers whiff on Durant, my dream scenario is to have Westbrook as our PG. DLo play the 2. DeRozan at the 3.
Use DLo almost like a swiss army knife at the Guard spot. |
I have thought about the bolded. This is where I see DLO being valuable b/c he could fit in with those two ball dominant guys (actually that's my NBA 2K16 team ). |
Did you grab Larry sanders as a FA? He's a solid pickup in 2k16. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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I think he should be a play making 2, like he was in college. I mean he loves steph curry, but wanted to be like ginobli. |
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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He's a combo guard, can work either on or off the ball. |
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers are grooming him as a "PG."
If he was playing pure "SG," I don't think Scott would jerk him around as much if his only job was to score. |
I think that is the problem. |
So your solution is what exactly? I think it's a waste of JC's talents to have him "set up" Byron's offense each time. I toyed around with the idea of DLO being a shooting guard earlier this year too, but I think he just facilitates passing better than any of the PG options we have. |
Solution, let him play SG more and learn.
I'm not sold on JC and locking him up this summer. I'm open to the idea of getting a TRUE PG to run the team ... Mike Conley or Jeff Teague.
I like the versatility of DLo at 6'5" to defend both the 1 & 2.
If the Lakers whiff on Durant, my dream scenario is to have Westbrook as our PG. DLo play the 2. DeRozan at the 3.
Use DLo almost like a swiss army knife at the Guard spot. |
I agree with that but if the backcourt of the future is DLO and JC then DLO needs to be the PG. |
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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The nice thing about a possible DLO/WB backcourt is that as WB ages, DLO will just start entering his early 20s...think about that. Once WB hits 32 for example, DLO will be what, 23? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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I think Russell would get abused by the better SG's. This is why I believe we need a big SG who can play some defense. That leaves Russell at the PG or traded. |
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defense wrote: | I think Russell would get abused by the better SG's. This is why I believe we need a big SG who can play some defense. That leaves Russell at the PG or traded. |
Well, theoretically, could put on more muscle. Has a long frame that can add weight. But the team will have to decide which way it wants to go with him.
Byron isn't exactly helping that cause. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Apparently, the Lakers and Byron Scott aren't the only ones stuck in the 90s.
He's a PG. Just a modern PG. Like Curry. |
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Ginobli type of SG.
Harden if he peaks as a scorer and learns to act like Harden has (to draw extra FT's he doesn't really deserve).
Even defensively, in his peak, with about 10 pounds on him, do we really want him defending the quicker PG's in the league? We want him at 2 match up wise.
Success wise it's been shown - GST or great Triangle teams or the Spurs - multiple playmakers is what works. Not one ball dominant PG who runs everything ala Chris Paul. |
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | Apparently, the Lakers and Byron Scott aren't the only ones stuck in the 90s.
He's a PG. Just a modern PG. Like Curry. |
He's nothing close to Curry. _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
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KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Apparently, the Lakers and Byron Scott aren't the only ones stuck in the 90s.
He's a PG. Just a modern PG. Like Curry. |
He's nothing close to Curry. |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | Ginobli type of SG.
Harden if he peaks as a scorer and learns to act like Harden has (to draw extra FT's he doesn't really deserve).
Even defensively, in his peak, with about 10 pounds on him, do we really want him defending the quicker PG's in the league? We want him at 2 match up wise.
Success wise it's been shown - GST or great Triangle teams or the Spurs - multiple playmakers is what works. Not one ball dominant PG who runs everything ala Chris Paul. |
I disagree but I suppose we will find out one way or the other. I would try to make him a PG to use his size as an advantage as opposed to making him a SG which negates his size on both offense and defense. Hes big for a PG but hes a bit small and unathletic for SG. Of course I could be wrong and he turns out to be a great SG. I just don't see it. |
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ringfinger wrote: | Apparently, the Lakers and Byron Scott aren't the only ones stuck in the 90s.
He's a PG. Just a modern PG. Like Curry. |
I agree with your interpretation. I would just word it differently.
Russell and Curry are guards. Not so much point guards.
I take "point" by its literal meaning, point-of-attack. In that sense. GS starting lineup has a point forward (Draymond leading the team in assists by a healthy margin). And Curry and Thompson are both guards. If I had to give them adjectives I would say both are "shooting guards".
But long story short, you're right. It's stupid to apply traditional expectations of what a point guard should be when evaluating DLO.
And in general, if teams league-wide continue to mimic GS offensive principles. The league as a whole will move toward position-less basketball.
Looking at the allstar starters this year. If you wanted to enforce traditional positions on the starting lineups, Durant and Paul George would be considered the Centers. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Apparently, the Lakers and Byron Scott aren't the only ones stuck in the 90s.
He's a PG. Just a modern PG. Like Curry. |
He's nothing close to Curry. |
He's not talking about Curry's level of play, he's talking about the style of play. |
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | Ginobli type of SG.
Harden if he peaks as a scorer and learns to act like Harden has (to draw extra FT's he doesn't really deserve).
Even defensively, in his peak, with about 10 pounds on him, do we really want him defending the quicker PG's in the league? We want him at 2 match up wise.
Success wise it's been shown - GST or great Triangle teams or the Spurs - multiple playmakers is what works. Not one ball dominant PG who runs everything ala Chris Paul. |
This is true; although its necessary for at least one of the ballhandlers to be adept off ball. Right now Clarkson and Russell can barely fill the lanes correctly when running a fastbreak, let alone moving without the ball in halfcourt.
Otherwise its just taking turns in iso and spotting/posting up, i.e. the Byrangle |
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Apparently, the Lakers and Byron Scott aren't the only ones stuck in the 90s.
He's a PG. Just a modern PG. Like Curry. |
He's nothing close to Curry. |
curry wasn't close to this curry his rookie year, but he's referring to style of play. |
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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Combo guard that plays pg. _________________ Music is my medicine |
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