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| If KD is interested, GSW will make it happen. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | And based on Ezeli's inability to stay healthy I doubt they eagerly dump bogut. |
I wouldn't. Ezeli's 'surgery' is more of a check up to see if all is well and a risk they felt they could take at this point in the season. He should be ready and fine for the playoffs. They have a far enough lead they could do that. It was non-invasive. It's the kind of thing they do for someone they're thinking of investing in next year. So take that as a sign. |
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| MJST wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | And based on Ezeli's inability to stay healthy I doubt they eagerly dump bogut. |
I wouldn't. Ezeli's 'surgery' is more of a check up to see if all is well and a risk they felt they could take at this point in the season. He should be ready and fine for the playoffs. They have a far enough lead they could do that. It was non-invasive. It's the kind of thing they do for someone they're thinking of investing in next year. So take that as a sign. |
And the year before?
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| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| If KD to GSW happens, we need to take a shot at Barnes/Bogart. |
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| silkwilkes wrote: | Again... GS will likely get the best all time record in the regular season and win b2b titles... and you peeps really think they're going to overhaul the roster, who is still very young, just for Durant?? Why would they do that?????
I actually hope they do since it would likely screw things up  Send Barnes, Iggy and Bogut our way. We'll send a box of cookies back |
That is what I am asking, I would be pissed if the Lakers did that.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Again. Barnes's cap hold is 9.6m and Ezeli is around 5m. Please read the CBA. |
Then that frees 26 instead of 22. And again, Barnes would be gone in order for them to get Durant. Which is what would happen.
Again, moving Bogut and letting the Lakers sign Barnes is all they'd really need to do.
And again, Durant would be very worth it. Particularly with the rise of Ezeli. |
Most projections I've seen have Iggy, bogut and Barnes gone. |
Cap space is also projected to be 89-90 million next off-season. Before even moving Bogut the Warriors would have 74 of that taken up.
Which means essentially they'd enter free agency with 16m of cap space.
Moving Bogut gives them 27m cap space (enough to max Durant) and removing Barnes 8m cap hold once he signs with the team that gave him the offer sheet agreement means they'd have 35m cap space. Which in turn leaves them enough space to max Durant for 25 million leaving 10m left, which would be enough to bring back Livingston, barbosa and Speights if they wished to and that's not even with moving Jason Thompson which would free an additional 6.8 million and leave them 16.8 million left AFTER maxing Durant.
So yeah. they only need to move Bogut and let Barnes go to the Lakers or somewhere. |
I don't think you're accounting for required minimum cap holds. |
With guaranteed contracts and cap holds they will be at about $90 mil. Pay KD max and they would be at around $115 mil, meaning they need to dump about $25 mil.
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| MJST wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Again. Barnes's cap hold is 9.6m and Ezeli is around 5m. Please read the CBA. |
Then that frees 26 instead of 22. And again, Barnes would be gone in order for them to get Durant. Which is what would happen.
Again, moving Bogut and letting the Lakers sign Barnes is all they'd really need to do.
And again, Durant would be very worth it. Particularly with the rise of Ezeli.
Cap space is also projected to be 89-90 million next off-season. Before even moving Bogut the Warriors would have 74 of that taken up.
Which means essentially they'd enter free agency with 16m of cap space.
Moving Bogut gives them 27m cap space (enough to max Durant) and removing Barnes 8m cap hold once he signs with the team that gave him the offer sheet agreement means they'd have 35m cap space. Which in turn leaves them enough space to max Durant for 25 million leaving 10m left, which would be enough to bring back Livingston, barbosa and Speights if they wished to and that's not even with moving Jason Thompson which would free an additional 6.8 million and leave them 16.8 million left AFTER maxing Durant.
So yeah. they only need to move Bogut and let Barnes go to the Lakers or somewhere. |
With Jason Thomson stretch waived by the late June deadline on his partial guarantee.
$16,662,500..... Klay Thompson
$15,300,000......Draymond Green
$11,027,027......Curry
$1,182,840........Looney
$973,000...........2016 First Round pick (Cap Hold)
$5,000,000........Festus Ezeli (Cap Hold)
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #1
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #2
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #3
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #4
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #5
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #6
$883,000...........Jason Thompson (stretched)
$0.....................Andrew Bogut
$0.....................Iguodola
$0.....................Barnes
$0.....................Livingston
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$54,289,193
$25,000,000........Durant
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$79,289,193
With a Cap figure of $90 million, that leaves roughly $11 million to spend on paying players above the minimum of $543,471.
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Edit: Forgot to subtract out a minimum salary once Durant was signed.
$16,662,500..... Klay Thompson
$15,300,000......Draymond Green
$11,027,027......Curry
$1,182,840........Looney
$973,000...........2016 First Round pick (Cap Hold)
$5,000,000........Festus Ezeli (Cap Hold)
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #1
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #2
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #3
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #4
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #5
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #6
$883,000...........Jason Thompson (stretched)
$0.....................Andrew Bogut
$0.....................Iguodola
$0.....................Barnes
$0.....................Livingston
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$54,289,193
$25,000,000........Durant
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$79,289,193
-$543,471...........Subtract one minimum salary
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$78,745,722.00
So about $11.3 million to use. |
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KD-25.2M
Klay-16.6M
Green-15.3M
Curry-12.1M
Barnes-9.6M-(QO)
Ezeli-5.0M-(QO)
J.Thompson-2.75M (Waive)
Looney-1.2M
Cap holds-2.5M
Would put GS right at 90M. Would require dumping Bogut/Livingston/Iggy
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Which is why Bobby marks suggested Livingston.
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Hmm. For Thompson's unguaranteed contract do you just stretch the guaranteed part?
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Which is why Bobby marks suggested Livingston. |
Why not just keep Barnes? Worst case he is a better trade asset
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thats like stripping naked the entire GSW roster to get a max.
what makes them so good is guys like Bogut, Iggy, Livingston and barbosa. they won last yr because of their depth.
i dont know if its worth it for a team who may have won b2b and just broke the 72 win record |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Hmm. For Thompson's unguaranteed contract do you just stretch the guaranteed part? |
I think so provided it is done by the late June deadline.
Bobby Marks used to work in the Nets FO and has a good twitter feed.
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| Jim99187 wrote: | thats like stripping naked the entire GSW roster to get a max.
what makes them so good is guys like Bogut, Iggy, Livingston and barbosa. they won last yr because of their depth.
i dont know if its worth it for a team who may have won b2b and just broke the 72 win record |
You only need 6-7 good players to win. KD/Curry/Thompson/Green/Ezeli/Barnes/Looney/FA guard would more than enough. They would have Harrison Barnes as their 6th man now instead of Iggy
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | thats like stripping naked the entire GSW roster to get a max.
what makes them so good is guys like Bogut, Iggy, Livingston and barbosa. they won last yr because of their depth.
i dont know if its worth it for a team who may have won b2b and just broke the 72 win record |
You only need 6-7 good players to win. KD/Curry/Thompson/Green/Ezeli/Barnes/Looney/FA guard would more than enough. They would Harrison Barnes as their 6th man now instead of Iggy |
huh? how are u going to pay Barnes 21m extension and Ezeli around 20million even with recent knee injury?
or the cap space doesnt apply for warriors? |
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That's not true anymore. With the current pace of the game and spacing of the floor, you need to go min 8 and preferably 9 deep. Even the Lakers of PJ went 8 deep with Fox/Fish/Horry and then Odom/Brown/Farmar followed by Odom/Barnes/Blake...
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | thats like stripping naked the entire GSW roster to get a max.
what makes them so good is guys like Bogut, Iggy, Livingston and barbosa. they won last yr because of their depth.
i dont know if its worth it for a team who may have won b2b and just broke the 72 win record |
You only need 6-7 good players to win. KD/Curry/Thompson/Green/Ezeli/Barnes/Looney/FA guard would more than enough. They would Harrison Barnes as their 6th man now instead of Iggy |
huh? how are u going to pay Barnes 21m extension and Ezeli around 20million even with recent knee injury?
or the cap space doesnt apply for warriors? |
They would have their rights. Depends on how much GS would want to spend. If Banres get 20M and Ezeli get 15M. They would be at about 120M. Only 10M over the luxury tax
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| Jim99187 wrote: | thats like stripping naked the entire GSW roster to get a max.
what makes them so good is guys like Bogut, Iggy, Livingston and barbosa. they won last yr because of their depth.
i dont know if its worth it for a team who may have won b2b and just broke the 72 win record |
Not really.
$11.3 about a 3rd of that brings back livingston, they don't need to lose Iggy. Barbosa will be 34. Everyone else can and would be brought back for the vets minimum, guys like Speights.
So again, roster looks like this
Stephen Curry
Klay Thompson
Kevin Durant
Draymond Green
Festus Ezeli
Bench:
Shaun Livingston
Igoudala
Speights
Looney
McAdoo
So again... what have they lost?
Diddily. |
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| silkwilkes wrote: | | That's not true anymore. With the current pace of the game and spacing of the floor, you need to go min 8 and preferably 9 deep. Even the Lakers of PJ went 8 deep with Fox/Fish/Horry and then Odom/Brown/Farmar followed by Odom/Barnes/Blake... |
Of course you need an 8-9 man rotation, but I'm saying you only 6-7 good players. The Warriors could find 2 end of rotation players for cheap to play 12 mins. Back up C would be their main concern
Ezeli-24
Green-34/Looney-14
KD-34/Barnes-14
Thompson-34/Barnes-14
Curry-34/Ian Clark(?)-14
I'm sure Green would get some of those back up minutes at the 5 but you see they wont have many holes left to fill outside of the back up C
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| Jim99187 wrote: | thats like stripping naked the entire GSW roster to get a max.
what makes them so good is guys like Bogut, Iggy, Livingston and barbosa. they won last yr because of their depth.
i dont know if its worth it for a team who may have won b2b and just broke the 72 win record |
And the cap goes up and FAs are taking a minimum deal to play there?
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Durant's salary is going to be a percentage of the Salary Cap, so the $25 million that I used is just a ballpark number for now.
If the Cap Holds for Barnes ($9.6 million) and Ezeli ($5 million) are correct, then:
$25,000,000.....Durant
$16,662,500......Klay Thompson
$15,300,000......Draymond Green
$11,027,027......Curry
$1,182,840........Looney
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #1
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #2
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #3
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #4
$9,600,000........Barnes (Cap Hold)
$5,000,000........Festus Ezeli (Cap Hold)
$973,000.......... 2016 First Round pick (Cap Hold)
$883,000...........Jason Thompson (stretched)
$0......................Andrew Bogut
$0......................Iguodola
$0......................Livingston
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | thats like stripping naked the entire GSW roster to get a max.
what makes them so good is guys like Bogut, Iggy, Livingston and barbosa. they won last yr because of their depth.
i dont know if its worth it for a team who may have won b2b and just broke the 72 win record |
You only need 6-7 good players to win. KD/Curry/Thompson/Green/Ezeli/Barnes/Looney/FA guard would more than enough. They would Harrison Barnes as their 6th man now instead of Iggy |
huh? how are u going to pay Barnes 21m extension and Ezeli around 20million even with recent knee injury?
or the cap space doesnt apply for warriors? |
They would have their rights. Depends on how much GS would want to spend. If Banres get 20M and Ezeli get 15M. They would be at about 120M. Only 10M over the luxury tax |
I don't see the Warriors trusting Ezeli as the starting center. Plus you're not replacing the production and experience of bogut for a minimum deal.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | thats like stripping naked the entire GSW roster to get a max.
what makes them so good is guys like Bogut, Iggy, Livingston and barbosa. they won last yr because of their depth.
i dont know if its worth it for a team who may have won b2b and just broke the 72 win record |
And the cap goes up and FAs are taking a minimum deal to play there? |
They re-sign Livingston, they don't let go of Iggy. Speights is brought back with the vets min. And they lose nothing but a 34 yo Barbosa. |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | silkwilkes wrote: | | That's not true anymore. With the current pace of the game and spacing of the floor, you need to go min 8 and preferably 9 deep. Even the Lakers of PJ went 8 deep with Fox/Fish/Horry and then Odom/Brown/Farmar followed by Odom/Barnes/Blake... |
Of course you need an 8-9 man rotation, but I'm saying you only 6-7 good players. The Warriors could find 2 end of rotation players for cheap to play 12 mins. Back up C would be their main concern
Ezeli-24
Green-34/Looney-14
KD-34/Barnes-14
Thompson-34/Barnes-14
Curry-34/Ian Clark(?)-14
I'm sure Green would get some of those back up minutes at the 5 but you see they wont have many holes left to fill outside of the back up C |
I think starting center is a bigger concern. I don't see Ezeli as a starting center. Too injury prone.
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| Bard207 wrote: | Durant's salary is going to be a percentage of the Salary Cap, so the $25 million that I used is just a ballpark number for now.
If the Cap Holds for Barnes ($9.6 million) and Ezeli ($5 million) are correct, then:
$25,000,000.....Durant
$16,662,500......Klay Thompson
$15,300,000......Draymond Green
$11,027,027......Curry
$1,182,840........Looney
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #1
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #2
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #3
$543,471...........Minimum Salary #4
$9,600,000........Barnes (Cap Hold)
$5,000,000........Festus Ezeli (Cap Hold)
$973,000.......... 2016 First Round pick (Cap Hold)
$883,000...........Jason Thompson (stretched)
$0......................Andrew Bogut
$0......................Iguodola
$0......................Livingston
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$87,802,251 |
barnes Cap hold are gone the moment he signs elsewhere correct? As in the moment he signs the offer sheet that Golden State won't match. That or if I remember correctly you can renounce a players cap hold. Renouncing their cap hold doesn't mean you can't re-sign him but it's implied. I'd assume if they are getting Durant, they'll renounce Barnes cap hold and that will be that.
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