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LakerEric
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| 24ways2die wrote: | Wouldn't it ba an irony if he plays DLo more going forward. DLo does good and saves Byron for one more year.
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That's my fear. That Scott will say he was breaking him in slowly BS and he knew what he was doing and Mitch and Jim get on their knees and apologize to Doakes and...well you get the visual unfortunately.
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| Fastbreak32 wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | 999 wrote: | | I swear to (bleep) god. David stern is chancellor palpatine and that veto is order 66 What we see today has spiraled into a complete destruction of the laker republic |
pretty much how i see it.
remember how dr. buss came out saying how he's actually for all of this? but i don't remember him explaining why. i don't get it. maybe he was just being polite? i don't know. he was basically saying that he supports taking actions that benefit the rest of the league at the expense of the lakers, and pretty much ONLY the Lakers.
There's only one other team at the time that could be accused of causing non-parity, and that is the Spurs. but look...Spurs are still same ol. The only team that suffered after the cba was the Lakers. I honestly think the word wouldn't even exist in the nba if not for the Lakers.
I never understood that comment. |
If I remember correctly, he expressed his frustration at an owner's meeting where he asked if there would be revenue sharing of the other owner's business ventures outside of basketball. He made the point that the Lakers franchise was his main business while other owners might not invest as much in their franchise but benefit from his efforts. |
oh! wow, that makes a hell of a lot more sense. thanks.
that's very true. he was the oddball owner that really was just all in on the Lakers. All those other owners are billionaire corporate types. |
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| This makes me nervous. First, tons of research in human behavior and management theory demonstrate that it is quite easy for people or employees to change/improve in the short term to pacify a superior to seek reward, but often revert to previous behavior once reward is received. I don't put it past Byron to be just enough un-Byron like to string together some wins, etc., and our FO use it as an excuse to keep him. Second, if he suddenly shows improvement, we still go nowhere while losing our pick. |
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | Easiest part of the schedule came early and is long past. I don't think winning 2-3 games a month and sneaking in a few more wins near the end of the season, when teams are resting for the playoffs is going to save him.
I don't see the point of further torturing the fans...and the rookies, just do it now. |
Yeah, but the more we lose we keep our pick thus why the Lakers are not firing him now. |
Do you think we'll lose our pick if Mark Madsen coaches the rest of the season? I don't think so, but it will clear the air, so to speak |
I don't think we'd lose the pick if Madsen was coach. Frankly, I don't think it matters...Scott or Madsen. Look at the trend...Brown, Dantoni, Scott...it doesn't matter. If the organization intends to lose to help the rebuilding process (i.e. rhymes with cenk), then the coach has to basically carry out those orders. The coach is part of management, not part of labor (players). now, whether or not scott is aware of this plan or not doesn't even matter. but that is the plan. the proof is in the pudding. when you suck, and you change things, and you still suck, and you change things, and you still suck...sucking is the goal...or to say it differently, winning definitely is NOT the goal.
From a business perspective, it makes sense. From a trying to win perspective, which is how fans think, it doesn't make sense.
Also...if you are a true fan, i think tanking makes sense. What's the point of barely making playoffs, or having a medium good non-playoff team and lose picks? I'd rather tank and get a better chance at a good team later.
This is a problem for the NBA. Tanking is a sensible strategy, so the NBA has a problem if they care at all. Growing pains... |
I think this system of rewarding futility needs to be changed - for the good of the game. My idea has always been give all the non playoff teams equal chance at the no 1 pick. Basically have them draw one number each: 1 to 14 and be done with it. The Nba is becoming a joke like this: rooting for the tank has become necessary, it's true, but it's totally absurd as well.
Btw, I think your avatar and my avatar are from the same family tree 
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great win but they shot 57%
I blame you Byron |
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| Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Quote: | | Ironically, it appears the people who could save Scott are the ones he's been criticizing all year: Russell and Julius Randle. |
I know I've been throwing you guys under the bus and all, but I meant no disrespect. Please help me keep my job.
Sometimes I wish we had Lebron "coach killer" James to set things right. |
DLo: coach, it's good to be confident, but you don't want to be cocky. When you're cocky you stop putting the work in. I know you want to be the guy to coach us, but you're not that guy yet. |
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| Ziggy wrote: | | Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Quote: | | Ironically, it appears the people who could save Scott are the ones he's been criticizing all year: Russell and Julius Randle. |
I know I've been throwing you guys under the bus and all, but I meant no disrespect. Please help me keep my job.
Sometimes I wish we had Lebron "coach killer" James to set things right. |
DLo: coach, it's good to be confident, but you don't want to be cocky. When you're cocky you stop putting the work in. I know you want to be the guy to coach us, but you're not that guy yet. |
Classic. |
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| Ziggy wrote: | | Mindripper2000 wrote: | | Quote: | | Ironically, it appears the people who could save Scott are the ones he's been criticizing all year: Russell and Julius Randle. |
I know I've been throwing you guys under the bus and all, but I meant no disrespect. Please help me keep my job.
Sometimes I wish we had Lebron "coach killer" James to set things right. |
DLo: coach, it's good to be confident, but you don't want to be cocky. When you're cocky you stop putting the work in. I know you want to be the guy to coach us, but you're not that guy yet. |
So you want him to channel Eartha Kitt in The Emperors New Groove? |
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The ONLY thing that is gonna save this team is to land a top pick in the draft and get a Franchise player. Without that, we are going to be a cellar dweller for the next 20 years. We have to have enough talent to attract talent and we have to have a FO that people want to play for.
Jim Buss has been blacklisted for the way he treated everyone during the strike years ago, the continual hiring and firing of the coaches and the way he has treated players like Pau. They all add together to paint a bad picture for the man. He has to go, and a very credible/competent person needs to be brought in to run this team.
This team is going nowhere with him in charge!!!
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| Wino wrote: | The ONLY thing that is gonna save this team is to land a top pick in the draft and get a Franchise player. Without that, we are going to be a cellar dweller for the next 20 years. We have to have enough talent to attract talent and we have to have a FO that people want to play for.
Jim Buss has been blacklisted for the way he treated everyone during the strike years ago, the continual hiring and firing of the coaches and the way he has treated players like Pau. They all add together to paint a bad picture for the man. He has to go, and a very credible/competent person needs to be brought in to run this team.
This team is going nowhere with him in charge!!! |
But how do you feel about Mitch? |
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| Wino wrote: | The ONLY thing that is gonna save this team is to land a top pick in the draft and get a Franchise player. Without that, we are going to be a cellar dweller for the next 20 years. We have to have enough talent to attract talent and we have to have a FO that people want to play for.
Jim Buss has been blacklisted for the way he treated everyone during the strike years ago, the continual hiring and firing of the coaches and the way he has treated players like Pau. They all add together to paint a bad picture for the man. He has to go, and a very credible/competent person needs to be brought in to run this team.
This team is going nowhere with him in charge!!! |
We already have two potential franchise players in Randle and Russell. We'll be just fine. One kid is already averaging a double double as a rookie and undersized power forward which is something you rarely see. The other is averaging numbers at 19 that only one LeBron James did at the same age. This with a incompatent buffoon as a head coach with no system to best utilize their skill sets. They're both excelling on raw talent alone. Just imagine as they both get more experience and improve their games over the summer. They'll both be stars in this league and if we get Ben Simmons or Ingram we have without a doubt the best young core in basketball.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | The FO should tell him they will try him out for 20 games. |
133 games have not shown you enough?  |
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| Goldenwest wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | Easiest part of the schedule came early and is long past. I don't think winning 2-3 games a month and sneaking in a few more wins near the end of the season, when teams are resting for the playoffs is going to save him.
I don't see the point of further torturing the fans...and the rookies, just do it now. |
Yeah, but the more we lose we keep our pick thus why the Lakers are not firing him now. |
Do you think we'll lose our pick if Mark Madsen coaches the rest of the season? I don't think so, but it will clear the air, so to speak |
Even if you're right, why change what's working? Scott helped the team land the #2 pick last year and this year there is a realistic shot at the #1 pick. He could be the first Laker coach to ever do that. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Byron will demand a trial by combat!
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Losing that game to a bad team after a big lead and setting a franchise record for consecutive losses would have been a nice addition to Mitch's Fire Byron checklist.
He owes Kobe a few beers for last night.
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| numero-ocho wrote: | Losing that game to a bad team after a big lead and setting a franchise record for consecutive losses would have been a nice addition to Mitch's Fire Byron checklist.
He owes Kobe a few beers for last night. |
For the whole season actually. No KFT, no Byron.
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So after coaching the Lakers to the worst season and a half in franchise history, they come up with the genius idea to give him a trial, starting now?
If true, this just makes the FO look even more inept.
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | Free trial of AOL for 60 days! Where do I sign up? |
Lmao.
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| adkindo wrote: | | This makes me nervous. First, tons of research in human behavior and management theory demonstrate that it is quite easy for people or employees to change/improve in the short term to pacify a superior to seek reward, but often revert to previous behavior once reward is received. I don't put it past Byron to be just enough un-Byron like to string together some wins, etc., and our FO use it as an excuse to keep him. Second, if he suddenly shows improvement, we still go nowhere while losing our pick. |
Byron resorted to his old ways in the second half.
Respectable first half. Played DLO early and in heavy minutes (~15 mins). Played Tarik Black who was impactful to say the least.
Second half? Played most of the starting unit for the entire 3rd quarter, no Tarik Black until the 4th and pulled DLO like 2-3 mins again.
Sometimes, honestly, I think Byron thinks he's a player again. And he forgets about coaching when he's out there. |
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As Fiend aptly put it, I think the 2 month trial is the equivalent of Michael Corleone calling of killing his brother Freddo until his mother died.
In this case, Mitch/FO is holding off the hit on Freddo (Byron) until the matriarch (patriarch) of the team (Kobe) retires. No need in their minds to cause unnecessary controversy during the KFT. But once that's over, I hope the resolution to get rid of Scott will be swift. Take him out to a golf course where he thinks they'll be playing 36 holes...then finish the job. (while Mitch stares outside the window of his office).
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| ringfinger wrote: |
Byron resorted to his old ways in the second half.
Respectable first half. Played DLO early and in heavy minutes (~15 mins). Played Tarik Black who was impactful to say the least.
Second half? Played most of the starting unit for the entire 3rd quarter, no Tarik Black until the 4th and pulled DLO like 2-3 mins again. |
Nailed it.
I think it just points to the fact that Byron's one pride-filled stubborn SOB. He's like a captain that's fired cannons downward so he can prove that he's willing to go down with his ship.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | This makes me nervous. First, tons of research in human behavior and management theory demonstrate that it is quite easy for people or employees to change/improve in the short term to pacify a superior to seek reward, but often revert to previous behavior once reward is received. I don't put it past Byron to be just enough un-Byron like to string together some wins, etc., and our FO use it as an excuse to keep him. Second, if he suddenly shows improvement, we still go nowhere while losing our pick. |
Byron resorted to his old ways in the second half.
Respectable first half. Played DLO early and in heavy minutes (~15 mins). Played Tarik Black who was impactful to say the least.
Second half? Played most of the starting unit for the entire 3rd quarter, no Tarik Black until the 4th and pulled DLO like 2-3 mins again.
Sometimes, honestly, I think Byron thinks he's a player again. And he forgets about coaching when he's out there. |
The worst part was matching up Lou with Wiggins just because he wanted Lou to finish the game over DLo. I called game at that point, but Kobe went off and that's pretty much how we won.
It's not like this game played out any differently in terms of our offensive sequences and rotations. Almost everything was the same other than the addition of Black. |
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| Lakers2015 wrote: | | Wino wrote: | The ONLY thing that is gonna save this team is to land a top pick in the draft and get a Franchise player. Without that, we are going to be a cellar dweller for the next 20 years. We have to have enough talent to attract talent and we have to have a FO that people want to play for.
Jim Buss has been blacklisted for the way he treated everyone during the strike years ago, the continual hiring and firing of the coaches and the way he has treated players like Pau. They all add together to paint a bad picture for the man. He has to go, and a very credible/competent person needs to be brought in to run this team.
This team is going nowhere with him in charge!!! |
We already have two potential franchise players in Randle and Russell. We'll be just fine. One kid is already averaging a double double as a rookie and undersized power forward which is something you rarely see. The other is averaging numbers at 19 that only one LeBron James did at the same age. This with a incompatent buffoon as a head coach with no system to best utilize their skill sets. They're both excelling on raw talent alone. Just imagine as they both get more experience and improve their games over the summer. They'll both be stars in this league and if we get Ben Simmons or Ingram we have without a doubt the best young core in basketball. |
Come on potential franchise players please..lol These two are going to be good players but never superstar material needed to put the team in contention. I don't know what people in this place are smoking. Unless they can get a top super star from free agency they will be stuck in the mud and suck for the next 10 years. Until Jimbo gets his butt out of the FO we can keep changing coaches until the universe dies and nothing will change. Everybody at LG just loves to put blame on coaches when coaches are not the ones shooting dribbling and playing defense. There's not a coach in the world that can change this team into a playoff team. The nba is all about superstars and the Lakers don't have one. People need to get that through their thick skulls. Russell, Randle, Nance, and Clarkson are not superstars. With time they will get better but will never be the type of players that other coaches have to design defenses in other to stop them. I actually want the Lakers to fire Byron, and hire Walton so I can see this forum crying for Walton's head after a couple of seasons. Again it all starts at the top, Jim is a looser and has zero leadership skills. His name should not be associated with any basketball team period. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | As Fiend aptly put it, I think the 2 month trial is the equivalent of Michael Corleone calling of killing his brother Freddo until his mother died.
In this case, Mitch/FO is holding off the hit on Freddo (Byron) until the matriarch (patriarch) of the team (Kobe) retires. No need in their minds to cause unnecessary controversy during the KFT. But once that's over, I hope the resolution to get rid of Scott will be swift. Take him out to a golf course where he thinks they'll be playing 36 holes...then finish the job. (while Mitch stares outside the window of his office). |
I think they'll wait until after the lottery. His LP% is just too good to not take for one last spin. |
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