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sodapoppenski Star Player
Joined: 24 Apr 2005 Posts: 7364 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject: 3 Game Slide: Kobe 48.5% FG, other Lakers 34.1% FG |
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Not a surprise to most of us, I'm sure. But from latimes.com's most
recent Laker Report...
Last 3 Games:
Kobe: 48.5 FG% (32ppg)
Others: 34.1 FG%
Without a doubt the loss of Odom and Mihm has hurt us in those games
as well, and it's only three games - so it's a small sample with which to
discredit the entire remainder of the team offensively...
...but that's with doubles on Kobe on most every play. In other
words, we're missing alot of shots to begin with, but we have guys open
even more often than other games where he's been doubled with
less frequency.
All season my friend and I (he's a Suns fan) have watched most every
Laker game over at my place... and for the last couple years we've
always noticed Kobe's "would-be assists": those passes which are
clearly to an open shooter where the receiver either doesn't take the
shot or simply misses what should be a make.
We've talked most of this season about how often we've seen that, but
these last three games in particular have been loaded with would-be
assists from Kobe, and it's really getting old.
I'm really tired of hearing the media question his willingness to pass the
ball, and of every "away game announcer" (League Pass here) always
dropping jabs about how rare it is for him to make a pass.
The guy's played alot more SF and non-initiator in the triangle this year
than in years past, and he simply doesn't have talent around him lately,
especially with Mihm and Odom both out.
Sorry for turning this into a rant, but I welcome any thoughts/comments.
Gotta lean on my Laker brethren at the moment cuz this slump is just
straight-up painful.
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Braaten Starting Rotation
Joined: 23 Jul 2005 Posts: 372 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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sad part is that it seems kobe is the only one working hard enough in the offseason to improve his shot (even though he is the one that needs it the least on this team).
kobe should lead a shooting practice over all of next summer. everyone should make a thousand jumpers every day like kobe does. this wide open bricking is getting sickening |
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Vlade Star Player
Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 2373 Location: valley of dry bone dreams
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Christ I didn't know the numbers were that skewed! I don't have any answers... _________________ -
"All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie." |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
Joined: 24 Apr 2005 Posts: 7364 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Vlade wrote: | Christ I didn't know the numbers were that skewed! I don't have any answers... |
That's why I posted it.
I know 34% doesn't sound so terrible for one player, in an off-game, etc...
...but for a roster of guys? Over three games?
That's a much more disparaging stat than it looks like on a casual glance |
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bambam Star Player
Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 9013
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Kobe Bryant
35.7 PPG
5.6 RPG
4.3 AST
5.0 Would Be AST
1.4 STL |
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samsl Starting Rotation
Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 854 Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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I just hate how in each of the last few games...the recaps say that Team X "stopped" or "slowed" Kobe, when he's scoring 35ppg at about 50% from the field. ESPECIALLY when his shooting percentage is far above: (1) the rest of the team as a whole, AND (2) all but 1 or 2 other players on the roster individually.
With all the injuries, we might have to get used to it for the near future too.
If we had problems with talent before, we have 7th and 8th men that we need 5th starter and 6th man production from now.
Every team suffers from the injury bug, but with a squad like ours, we really need production out of every role player. It just makes me think about how different things might be if we had Laron, Lamar and Mihm healthy all season. Laron was really helping the rotation and give Kobe and Smush some rest time before he went down.
Well, Kobe's been carrying us for this long - lets see how far this backpack will go.....
(Kobe's tech count is at 10 now, right?) _________________ "Everyone wants to be Mamba-licious." - me
If Sun Yue is the Chinese Magic Johnson...I'm the Chinese Brad Pitt... |
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tgf5 Franchise Player
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 11581 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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5 would be assists bambam? I'd honestly kick it up to 10.
Thompson: Here's Kobe feeding the open Walton... off the mark there, failed to draw iron that time.
Thompson: Kobe to Vujacic straightaway from the top of the arc. He's got to hit that shot Spero.
Thompson: Cook from the corner. Flat looking shot there, Kobe upset with his teammates.
Thompson: Here's Kobe for 3, buries it!
Spero: Kobe keeping the Lakers in this game.
Thompson: Wafer just checking in. Gets the pass from Bryant, decides to shoot the wide open 3... no good from 26 feet.
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OshadowO Star Player
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:17 am Post subject: |
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tgf5 wrote: | 5 would be assists bambam? I'd honestly kick it up to 10.
Thompson: Here's Kobe feeding the open Walton... off the mark there, failed to draw iron that time.
Thompson: Kobe to Vujacic straightaway from the top of the arc. He's got to hit that shot Spero.
Thompson: Cook from the corner. Flat looking shot there, Kobe upset with his teammates.
Thompson: Here's Kobe for 3, buries it!
Spero: Kobe keeping the Lakers in this game.
Thompson: Wafer just checking in. Gets the pass from Bryant, decides to shoot the wide open 3... no good from 26 feet.
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the problem is that guys are settling for the long range shot. No one (bleep) cuts to the basket. When Kobe has 3 guys on him. that means two guys are open. One can spot up and the other should cut to the hoop in hopes of an easy layup.
(bleep) it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Why are the guys on our team so dense? |
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Socks Franchise Player
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 10761 Location: Bay Area, CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:19 am Post subject: |
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the problem is that guys are settling for the long range shot. No one (bleep) cuts to the basket. When Kobe has 3 guys on him. that means two guys are open. One can spot up and the other should cut to the hoop in hopes of an easy layup.
(bleep) it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Why are the guys on our team so dense? |
And when anyone does cut to the hoop and gets the ball, they don't go up strong with the ball. Instead of finishing with a power dunk, most of the time our guys try a soft layup. Smush likes to cram it, but everyone else goes up soft and we end up missing. |
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angel Franchise Player
Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 14226 Location: city of angels
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:46 am Post subject: |
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It's a team game. Kobe needs help. Nobody can do it alone. _________________ "Darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate. Only love can do that." ~~Martin Luther King Jr.~~ |
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osj Star Player
Joined: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 2819 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: |
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wonder how long it'll take before the media spins this into kobe's fault...then again, 81 points appears to have finally got them to give him respect. |
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angel Franchise Player
Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 14226 Location: city of angels
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:43 am Post subject: |
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That was as close as I have ever seen any one individual totally dominate a game. I think Jordan once had a 69 point OT game. Kobe's scoring in the second half was an entire team's output. He needed the team to play defense, but it was total offensive domination. He scored roughly two thirds of all the points the Lakers scored. _________________ "Darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate. Only love can do that." ~~Martin Luther King Jr.~~ |
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Lakers 71-72 Star Player
Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 5059
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: |
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OshadowO wrote: | tgf5 wrote: | 5 would be assists bambam? I'd honestly kick it up to 10.
Thompson: Here's Kobe feeding the open Walton... off the mark there, failed to draw iron that time.
Thompson: Kobe to Vujacic straightaway from the top of the arc. He's got to hit that shot Spero.
Thompson: Cook from the corner. Flat looking shot there, Kobe upset with his teammates.
Thompson: Here's Kobe for 3, buries it!
Spero: Kobe keeping the Lakers in this game.
Thompson: Wafer just checking in. Gets the pass from Bryant, decides to shoot the wide open 3... no good from 26 feet.
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the problem is that guys are settling for the long range shot. No one (bleep) cuts to the basket. When Kobe has 3 guys on him. that means two guys are open. One can spot up and the other should cut to the hoop in hopes of an easy layup.
(bleep) it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Why are the guys on our team so dense? |
Excellent point. But you'd still expect these chokers to make an open shot. |
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PiPisKobesByatch Star Player
Joined: 20 Nov 2001 Posts: 8038
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: |
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34% on WIDE OPEN SHOTS.
why are they in the nb-freakin-a? |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
Joined: 29 May 2002 Posts: 58344
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Well who's really a shooter on this team?
I am bashed for liking shooters to much - well there it is - what happens when you don't have a shooter on the team.
Most teams have atleast 2 good shooters. One from mid-range and one from outside.
The Lakers traded their shooters away. Caron was a solid mid-range shooter. Chucky was a good 3 point shooter and JJ was a dangerous outside shooter too.
We must hope that the defensive impact of Kwame Brown and Devean George outweights what those guys would've brought offensively. |
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hoopschick29 Franchise Player
Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 12898 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | Well who's really a shooter on this team?
I am bashed for liking shooters to much - well there it is - what happens when you don't have a shooter on the team.
Most teams have atleast 2 good shooters. One from mid-range and one from outside.
The Lakers traded their shooters away. Caron was a solid mid-range shooter. Chucky was a good 3 point shooter and JJ was a dangerous outside shooter too.
We must hope that the defensive impact of Kwame Brown and Devean George outweights what those guys would've brought offensively. |
And then there's Steve Nash who has at least 5 good shooters at his disposal. |
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Scherm Star Player
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: |
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From the LA Times today: "Bryant has continued to make shots but his teammates have not, a primary reason the Lakers went empty-handed against Indiana, Charlotte and New Orleans.
Bryant averaged 32 points and shot 48.5% but the rest of the team shot only 34.1%. Not surprisingly, the Lakers have not had a lead in more than 127 minutes of play.
Teams have dared other Lakers to shoot by double-teaming and trapping Bryant just inside halfcourt or above the three-point line.
Bryant has done a credible job of finding open teammates, although his turnover level has almost doubled over the last three games, which led to a question of whether he could figure out how to be more effective in breaking double teams single-handedly.
"To say 'yeah' would be to say I need to get 45 points to win a game," Bryant said. "Is that what we need to win ball games?"[/b]
Unfortunately Kobe, with this roster, the answer is yes. You need to score 45+ per game because it's unfair to expect that your teammates can hit more than 34% of their wide open shots. |
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Exick Site Staff
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: |
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It's actually even more skewed than that. I, like everyone else, have noticed the dismal shooting percentage the last 3 games and I also knew that Kobe was shooting much better than the rest. In Indiana, Kobe was right there with the rest of them shooting 33%, which is why his overall percentage for the last 3 games is "only" 48.5%. He's shot better than 56% over the last two games.
Honestly, I'm not as panicked as some others seem to be. There's a mixed bag of problems right now both on offense and defense, but I think the bad shooting is something that will eventually work itself out. The things that really need work are team defense especially against the smaller lineups, reliance on the long jumpers/3s instead of getting open looks with penetration, free throws, and cheap turnovers. |
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tgf5 Franchise Player
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 11581 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:35 am Post subject: |
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OshadowO wrote: | tgf5 wrote: | 5 would be assists bambam? I'd honestly kick it up to 10.
Thompson: Here's Kobe feeding the open Walton... off the mark there, failed to draw iron that time.
Thompson: Kobe to Vujacic straightaway from the top of the arc. He's got to hit that shot Spero.
Thompson: Cook from the corner. Flat looking shot there, Kobe upset with his teammates.
Thompson: Here's Kobe for 3, buries it!
Spero: Kobe keeping the Lakers in this game.
Thompson: Wafer just checking in. Gets the pass from Bryant, decides to shoot the wide open 3... no good from 26 feet.
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the problem is that guys are settling for the long range shot. No one (bleep) cuts to the basket. When Kobe has 3 guys on him. that means two guys are open. One can spot up and the other should cut to the hoop in hopes of an easy layup.
(bleep) it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Why are the guys on our team so dense? |
The problem is, those guys suck so bad that driving is not in their arsenal so they settle for the jumpshot. I mean, Luke Walton can penetrate, but does he occasionally get the basket? Hell no. So hey, let's take the 27 footer and clank it off the rim |
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PiPisKobesByatch Star Player
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Exick wrote: | It's actually even more skewed than that. I, like everyone else, have noticed the dismal shooting percentage the last 3 games and I also knew that Kobe was shooting much better than the rest. In Indiana, Kobe was right there with the rest of them shooting 33%, which is why his overall percentage for the last 3 games is "only" 48.5%. He's shot better than 56% over the last two games.
Honestly, I'm not as panicked as some others seem to be. There's a mixed bag of problems right now both on offense and defense, but I think the bad shooting is something that will eventually work itself out. The things that really need work are team defense especially against the smaller lineups, reliance on the long jumpers/3s instead of getting open looks with penetration, free throws, and cheap turnovers. |
and even in that indiana game, supposedly kobe was puking before tip off. so if he was healthy, he'd probably be pushing a 60% clip in the last 3... sadly enough, that still isn't enough to have won any of those games |
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Tarzan008 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:50 am Post subject: |
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25 for 43 in the past two games...... Besides his great FT % in the past months.......He scores 44+ for some 16 games or so leading into the incredible 81.......Than suddenly he turns off the total "Strike mode",and goes into semi strike mode,mostly due to attempting to get teamates involved and build there confidence along with seeing traps and triples even more so............
The strange thing is why have the other guys lost 10% off of there shooting % suddenly when they are even more open?.............I can only think and hope it is a slump,and soon they will pick it up to a normal clip,this than will give Kobe that slight bit of extra light to get back into total strike mode.....Because to win more games than we lose he has to be extra aggressive...........They way it is going now,the facts all point to Kobe must totally take over for us to even win one game......
Until Bynum grows up and we get this "Dream" 07' hot top end FA Kobe must be ultra aggressive.......But to be in this attack mode,the others must hit at least some shots.......They must take it to the hoop....Can they?
But I think the real problem has been "D"....the offense has been getting about as many points as usual,it's the "D" that has gone bad......
Funny thing is......It is a fact that Kobe has to score 45 a game to win......he has to break the other teams back......when he gets going the lakers go with him,when he plays "Team ball" with extra passes,it's always quite clear they are always trailing and get themselves into early deficets......
Until he gets help from growth within or a FA comes along he must be in strike mode....break those triples Kobe............ |
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angel Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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It's hard when you are used to having Odom to set up your shots. We know nearly all the team cannot create their own shot. Kobe is the exception. Mihm who shoots over 50% was also out of the lineup in the last game. That leaves perimeter shooters to take the heat. When you have to shoot outside, it's easier to pressure those shooters. _________________ "Darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate. Only love can do that." ~~Martin Luther King Jr.~~ |
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Drifts Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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OshadowO wrote: | tgf5 wrote: | 5 would be assists bambam? I'd honestly kick it up to 10.
Thompson: Here's Kobe feeding the open Walton... off the mark there, failed to draw iron that time.
Thompson: Kobe to Vujacic straightaway from the top of the arc. He's got to hit that shot Spero.
Thompson: Cook from the corner. Flat looking shot there, Kobe upset with his teammates.
Thompson: Here's Kobe for 3, buries it!
Spero: Kobe keeping the Lakers in this game.
Thompson: Wafer just checking in. Gets the pass from Bryant, decides to shoot the wide open 3... no good from 26 feet.
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the problem is that guys are settling for the long range shot. No one (bleep) cuts to the basket. When Kobe has 3 guys on him. that means two guys are open. One can spot up and the other should cut to the hoop in hopes of an easy layup.
(bleep) it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Why are the guys on our team so dense? |
unathletic freaks. _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it." |
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Drifts Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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angel wrote: | It's hard when you are used to having Odom to set up your shots. We know nearly all the team cannot create their own shot. Kobe is the exception. Mihm who shoots over 50% was also out of the lineup in the last game. That leaves perimeter shooters to take the heat. When you have to shoot outside, it's easier to pressure those shooters. |
please...open shots are open shot. Stop overrating Lamar. _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it." |
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