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OscarWang
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 Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: Drew Gooden on the block |
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According to RealGM, Chic and Cle are talking about a Gooden deal.
I'd send Smush, Cook, Slava, and a 1st for him anyday!
In other words....Mitch should be on the phone now |
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eldrunko714
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Gooden has been on the block his whole career. We collected enough of those type of players already. Pass |
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Socks
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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I kinda like Gooden. He seems a bit underrated and could be a solid double double guy, though he makes some bone headed plays.
We just don't have what it would take to get him though. Cleveland is looking for a solid point guard and we don't have one. |
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lakeshow03
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| whats his contract? |
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gill2k
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Can you say "Undersized PF"?
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MAJIC
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Cook Smush and a #1???
Your serious?
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently he is. He must be Mitch Kupchak.  |
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Das
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| MOVING ON TO THE NEXT TRADE RUMOR... |
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Dr. Laker
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Gooden is better than any of our PFs.
He schooled Lamar and Kwame. 11 pts/9 reb/ 53% FG in 28 minutes ain't bad at all. 6'10" 250 is not "undersized."
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teej
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Gooden can block shots but is an awful man defender. (bleep) awful.  |
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The Dagger
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | Gooden is better than any of our PFs.
He schooled Lamar and Kwame. 11 pts/9 reb/ 53% FG in 28 minutes ain't bad at all. 6'10" 250 is not "undersized." |
Yeah but he's the smallest 6'10" PF in the league.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Das wrote: | | MOVING ON TO THE NEXT TRADE RUMOR... |
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KobeFTW
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most inconsistent player in the league
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lakeshow03
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| KobeFTW wrote: | | most inconsistent player in the league |
we have about 7 of those |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| KobeFTW wrote: | | most inconsistent player in the league |
Then he would fit right in on this team.
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| lakeshow03 wrote: | | KobeFTW wrote: | | most inconsistent player in the league |
we have about 7 of those |
so we dont need another
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magic_bryant
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Gooden is as undersized at PF as Lamar is. In fact, Lamar is a better man defender at the 4 than Gooden. He's a SF in a PF body, like Lamar, only he doesn't have the strength to guard opposing 4s, or the handles to play the 3.
And Logo drafted him 3rd!!!  What a waste.
Edit: 4th, my bad.
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KobeFTW
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| magic_bryant wrote: | Gooden is as undersized at PF as Lamar is. In fact, Lamar is a better man defender at the 4 than Gooden. He's a SF in a PF body, like Lamar, only he doesn't have the strength to guard opposing 4s, or the handles to play the 3.
And Logo drafted him 3rd!!! What a waste. |
gooden has a kwame like body, wat you talking about.
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magic_bryant
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Gooden may have a Kwame like body, but he doesn't have any strength.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | Gooden is better than any of our PFs.
He schooled Lamar and Kwame. 11 pts/9 reb/ 53% FG in 28 minutes ain't bad at all. 6'10" 250 is not "undersized." |
Gooden is definitely better than any PF on our roster. He's providing 11 & 9 as the fourth option in Cleveland. With his solid FT% and work in the low post, it's not hard to imagine him being an 18-20 ppg player if made into a second option (something I believe he's capable of). He'd probably give you double-digits in rebounding as well (but I doubt if he'd ever be considered "dominant" in that facet.
There are legit issues concerning a Laker attempt to acquire him:
1) Defense: Simply put, dude hasn't been strong in this area. He ain't as bad as 'Toine or Zach Randolph, but nearly as good as you'd like to see. Not sure if it's a lack of ability or motivation. As is the case with most NBA players, it's probably the latter;
2) He's schedule to become a restricted FA this summer. As he's a likely double-double guy that primarily works in the low post, it's forseeable that he'd get an offer (where someone is likely to overpay) and he'll be ghost. I'm sure this is why the Cavs have been shopping him since the beginning of the season; and,
3) It's rumored that the Cavs are interested in getting a PG for Gooden. The Lakers can't help them. |
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| KobeFTW wrote: | | most inconsistent player in the league |
I think an explanation for this comment is in order.
When you're the 4th option on a team that features two explosive scorers (LBJ and Larry Hughes) and a solid center (Z), I think it's fair to say that, scoring-wise, you haveto make due with whatever attempts you get.
As for inconsistency in the rebounding area, I just don't see it. It's not like Gooden is grabbing 20 boards one night and 3 the next. |
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| KobeFTW wrote: | | magic_bryant wrote: | Gooden is as undersized at PF as Lamar is. In fact, Lamar is a better man defender at the 4 than Gooden. He's a SF in a PF body, like Lamar, only he doesn't have the strength to guard opposing 4s, or the handles to play the 3.
And Logo drafted him 3rd!!! What a waste. |
gooden has a kwame like body, wat you talking about. |
Gooden's body, in no way, shape, or form, resembles that of Kwame.
As for the remark about Gooden being a SF trapped in a PF's body, his offensive work in the low post might lead to a different conclusion.
Defensively, he has issues. |
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magic_bryant
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| And 1 wrote: | | KobeFTW wrote: | | magic_bryant wrote: | Gooden is as undersized at PF as Lamar is. In fact, Lamar is a better man defender at the 4 than Gooden. He's a SF in a PF body, like Lamar, only he doesn't have the strength to guard opposing 4s, or the handles to play the 3.
And Logo drafted him 3rd!!! What a waste. |
gooden has a kwame like body, wat you talking about. |
Gooden's body, in no way, shape, or form, resembles that of Kwame.
As for the remark about Gooden being a SF trapped in a PF's body, his offensive work in the low post might lead to a different conclusion.
Defensively, he has issues. |
LO has postup ability. Doesn't make him a 4 by any stretch of the imagination though. Gooden doesn't really "post up" anyhow. He catches the ball in the post, sure. But once he has it there, he faces up and either shoots or makes a quick dribble move to the basket.
But I do agree with you on the "inconsistency" issues. He's a consistent player, just doesn't consistent opportunities. However, he plays worse D at the 4 than LO. So yeah, he'll score 15-20 points some nights, but give up 20+ NIGHTLY.
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Ank
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| lakeshow03 wrote: | | whats his contract? |
This is the important question. If we can trade Kwame + Miami for Gooden, and still keep top the 2007 plan, I'm down. Other trades imvolving ending contracts: George + Slava etc. or Cook+George+1 are all fine too.
Give up Smush? Well, I would make that trade too, because I think Smush is replaceable, but we would definatly have to make another trade for a PG.
The crucial question again tho is contract. He must expire in 2007 or be very cheap. |
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magic_bryant
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btw, I think he meant that Gooden resembled Kwame's body in the sense that he's muscular and strong "looking". However, he simply isn't.
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