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To be fair Deng hasnt been available for much of the preseason and he is suppose to be a major addition to our team although I do question the fit up front with Mozgov/Randle/Deng
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | To be fair Deng hasnt been available for much of the preseason and he is suppose to be a major addition to our team although I do question the fit up front with Mozgov/Randle/Deng |
Deng is a PF in 2016. |
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Luke has a bright and progressive mind. I am still thrilled that he is our coach.
I trust that he will figure it out and do what's best for the future development of the team.
I back him 110% and won't try to second guess him at this point. I'm confident that he knows this team better than anyone else. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | To be fair Deng hasnt been available for much of the preseason and he is suppose to be a major addition to our team although I do question the fit up front with Mozgov/Randle/Deng |
Deng is a PF in 2016. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | To be fair Deng hasnt been available for much of the preseason and he is suppose to be a major addition to our team although I do question the fit up front with Mozgov/Randle/Deng |
Deng is a PF in 2016. |
I thought you didnt believe in positions in 2016
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | yuurin98 wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | His rotations are terrible. I'm at a loss of words. |
To be honest, this is what the Warriors fans were unhappy about when Luke takes over as interim head coach. His rotations are weird.
Regardless, lets see how he does in the real season. Preseason rotations are nothing since some of the players won't be in the team anymore. |
The Warriors were at their best when Luke was in charge so if there was fans complaining, they shouldn't have been.
Dave expected JC to be treated as the best player. Since that isn't happening he is whining about anything he can think of. It's the preseason, let's not worry about the rotations until we play games that actually count. |
I've been following the Warriors for a while since the start of last season and stopped because how much I hate their arrogance, and indeed, this is what I've seen from their fans, they don't like how Luke is doing with their rotations despite they win alot of games, I don't remember the details but I do remember that during the 24-0 streak the Warriors were mostly the trailing one during the 1st-3rd quarter, and then Walton puts the starting lineup back in the 4th to let Steph & co. bail them out like crazy.
If you could check it out I'm sure you'll find out that the last few wins were not dominant as you think. That's why the Warriors were exhausted during the playoff run. They don't have energy to keep it up with the Cavaliers who sleepwalk through the season and the playoffs.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | Luke has a bright and progressive mind. I am still thrilled that he is our coach.
I trust that he will figure it out and do what's best for the future development of the team.
I back him 110% and won't try to second guess him at this point. I'm confident that he knows this team better than anyone else. |
Well, there's been a clear and consistent pattern in these preseason games, and whether it's against the lottery caliber Suns or the contending Warriors, the fast starts by the opposition have almost entirely to do with the defensive woes of the Lakers starting unit. Almost every recent analytical development supports the viewpoint that the rotations need to change if they even want a chance at winning 25-30 games this season. They can't rely on the bench to bring them back every game. And I'm not going to lie - last night felt like a carbon copy of Byron-ball.
I know Luke's a good coach, but his preseason rotations (minus the 2nd unit) have been quite bad. I'm aware some of it is experimentation, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt the first 5-10 games and see where it goes. Otherwise, continuing to play Lou and Randle heavy minutes while ignoring their defensive woes means he's as stubborn as Byron. |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | Also, another theory about why the starting lineup isn't working is that Luke kept changing it around game-to-game without letting them really play themselves into being more comfortable. But it's clear as day the construct isn't working either way, so, eh.
| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | Dlo
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IMO this has to be our starting 5. Does Luke have strength to bring jr off bench |
If he wants to win he's going to have to. |
I guess you somehow missed his comments regarding winning. He is interested in developing the players that will lead this team going forward. |
Yep. As I've said, personally I'd prefer Nance to start any day of the week. But Luke is stressing development and prioritizing Randle is high on his list. We got our development coach, so I can't argue here. |
Randle can develop on the 2nd team just as good as he can on the 1st team. Believing he can only develop with the 1st team is fallacy.
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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | Luke has a bright and progressive mind. I am still thrilled that he is our coach.
I trust that he will figure it out and do what's best for the future development of the team.
I back him 110% and won't try to second guess him at this point. I'm confident that he knows this team better than anyone else. |
Well, there's been a clear and consistent pattern in these preseason games, and whether it's against the lottery caliber Suns or the contending Warriors, the fast starts by the opposition have almost entirely to do with the defensive woes of the Lakers starting unit. Almost every recent analytical development supports the viewpoint that the rotations need to change if they even want a chance at winning 25-30 games this season. They can't rely on the bench to bring them back every game. And I'm not going to lie - last night felt like a carbon copy of Byron-ball.
I know Luke's a good coach, but his preseason rotations (minus the 2nd unit) have been quite bad. I'm aware some of it is experimentation, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt the first 5-10 games and see where it goes. Otherwise, continuing to play Lou and Randle heavy minutes while ignoring their defensive woes means he's as stubborn as Byron. |
I know someone has mentioned it, but your avatar is funny as hell. 
What Luke seems focus on is to build a solid second unit. To me I feel like his approach is a mistake. He should be focusing on making the best starting lineup by starting the players that plays the most effective first, and then build the second unit with the remaining pieces.
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | To be fair Deng hasnt been available for much of the preseason and he is suppose to be a major addition to our team although I do question the fit up front with Mozgov/Randle/Deng |
Deng is a PF in 2016. |
That's clear. But how does that fit in with Randle/Nance at the 4?
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| yuurin98 wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | pio2u wrote: | Luke has a bright and progressive mind. I am still thrilled that he is our coach.
I trust that he will figure it out and do what's best for the future development of the team.
I back him 110% and won't try to second guess him at this point. I'm confident that he knows this team better than anyone else. |
Well, there's been a clear and consistent pattern in these preseason games, and whether it's against the lottery caliber Suns or the contending Warriors, the fast starts by the opposition have almost entirely to do with the defensive woes of the Lakers starting unit. Almost every recent analytical development supports the viewpoint that the rotations need to change if they even want a chance at winning 25-30 games this season. They can't rely on the bench to bring them back every game. And I'm not going to lie - last night felt like a carbon copy of Byron-ball.
I know Luke's a good coach, but his preseason rotations (minus the 2nd unit) have been quite bad. I'm aware some of it is experimentation, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt the first 5-10 games and see where it goes. Otherwise, continuing to play Lou and Randle heavy minutes while ignoring their defensive woes means he's as stubborn as Byron. |
I know someone has mentioned it, but your avatar is funny as hell.
What Luke seems focus on is to build a solid second unit. To me I feel like his approach is a mistake. He should be focusing on making the best starting lineup by starting the players that plays the most effective first, and then build the second unit with the remaining pieces. |
1000% agree. I think the second unit is also so attractive because every player in it has a ROLE and they have great synergy. Luke's so locked in and encouraged by that. The reality is that, for the best lineup, he might need to bring some of the bench into the starting lineup and find another way to create a similar energy bench unit.
Also, great points brought up about being able to give Randle his minutes off the bench. I do think it's fair to say that giving Randle time with Russell, as a starter or bench player, is important if the team believes he's a starter for the franchise in the future. They need to improve their chemistry on the court. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Chronicle wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | To be fair Deng hasnt been available for much of the preseason and he is suppose to be a major addition to our team although I do question the fit up front with Mozgov/Randle/Deng |
Deng is a PF in 2016. |
I thought you didnt believe in positions in 2016 |
I believe that you need to have particular skill sets on the floor. So sure, he can play SF if you have a big who can run in transition, handle the ball, defend the perimeter, & stretch the floor on offense. We don't have that guy, so those skills would be coming from a smaller player. |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | To be fair Deng hasnt been available for much of the preseason and he is suppose to be a major addition to our team although I do question the fit up front with Mozgov/Randle/Deng |
Deng is a PF in 2016. |
That's clear. But how does that fit in with Randle/Nance at the 4? |
I think Deng should be getting about 20mpg at PF, and Randle/Nance can battle Mozgov & Black for the remaining 76mpg at PF & C. My distribution would be more Nance/Mozgov heavy. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | To be fair Deng hasnt been available for much of the preseason and he is suppose to be a major addition to our team although I do question the fit up front with Mozgov/Randle/Deng |
Deng is a PF in 2016. |
That's clear. But how does that fit in with Randle/Nance at the 4? |
I think Deng should be getting about 20mpg at PF, and Randle/Nance can battle Mozgov & Black for the remaining 76mpg at PF & C. My distribution would be more Nance/Mozgov heavy. |
We need Randle's rebounding and longer term to know if he can develop into a cornerstone piece. He's also the next guy up for serious contract discussions and management needs input for that decision (I'm actually a little worried there's a disconnect in how Randle sees himself and the reality of his performance. Could be a difficult negotiation that leads to a rFA play).
But if you're looking in the immediate, I agree Deng/Moz/Nance are more well rounded and thus make things run smoother. This season we are starting our ascent from the base of the mountain.
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| yuurin98 wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | yuurin98 wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | His rotations are terrible. I'm at a loss of words. |
To be honest, this is what the Warriors fans were unhappy about when Luke takes over as interim head coach. His rotations are weird.
Regardless, lets see how he does in the real season. Preseason rotations are nothing since some of the players won't be in the team anymore. |
The Warriors were at their best when Luke was in charge so if there was fans complaining, they shouldn't have been.
Dave expected JC to be treated as the best player. Since that isn't happening he is whining about anything he can think of. It's the preseason, let's not worry about the rotations until we play games that actually count. |
I've been following the Warriors for a while since the start of last season and stopped because how much I hate their arrogance, and indeed, this is what I've seen from their fans, they don't like how Luke is doing with their rotations despite they win alot of games, I don't remember the details but I do remember that during the 24-0 streak the Warriors were mostly the trailing one during the 1st-3rd quarter, and then Walton puts the starting lineup back in the 4th to let Steph & co. bail them out like crazy.
If you could check it out I'm sure you'll find out that the last few wins were not dominant as you think. That's why the Warriors were exhausted during the playoff run. They don't have energy to keep it up with the Cavaliers who sleepwalk through the season and the playoffs. |
The Warriors had what is probably the greatest 1st half of the season in NBA history while Luke was the coach. You can't complain about what a coach is doing if they are having that much success no matter how good his team is.
Blaming a finals loss on the rotations of an interim coach in the first half of the year is an example of why Warriors fans are so hated. They lost because they were outplayed(and Curry was hurt). |
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| Dave20 wrote: | | His rotations are terrible. I'm at a loss of words. |
I agree. I don't ever wanna see a lou/young starting lineup. I mean what have preseason really established from a starting standpoint? he doesn't even have a idea of the starting line up. lou is not a starter nor is young. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| yuurin98 wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | yuurin98 wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | His rotations are terrible. I'm at a loss of words. |
To be honest, this is what the Warriors fans were unhappy about when Luke takes over as interim head coach. His rotations are weird.
Regardless, lets see how he does in the real season. Preseason rotations are nothing since some of the players won't be in the team anymore. |
The Warriors were at their best when Luke was in charge so if there was fans complaining, they shouldn't have been.
Dave expected JC to be treated as the best player. Since that isn't happening he is whining about anything he can think of. It's the preseason, let's not worry about the rotations until we play games that actually count. |
I've been following the Warriors for a while since the start of last season and stopped because how much I hate their arrogance, and indeed, this is what I've seen from their fans, they don't like how Luke is doing with their rotations despite they win alot of games, I don't remember the details but I do remember that during the 24-0 streak the Warriors were mostly the trailing one during the 1st-3rd quarter, and then Walton puts the starting lineup back in the 4th to let Steph & co. bail them out like crazy.
If you could check it out I'm sure you'll find out that the last few wins were not dominant as you think. That's why the Warriors were exhausted during the playoff run. They don't have energy to keep it up with the Cavaliers who sleepwalk through the season and the playoffs. |
The biggest reasons the Warriors "didn't have energy" was because Dray was suspended for Game 5, Bogut got hurt game 6 and Igoudala hirt his back in either game 5 or 6. |
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| I love Luke but if our starters are struggling why not start super sub clarkson instead of super sub Lou/nick. |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | His rotations are terrible. I'm at a loss of words. |
I agree. I don't ever wanna see a lou/young starting lineup. I mean what have preseason really established from a starting standpoint? he doesn't even have a idea of the starting line up. lou is not a starter nor is young. |
And Young won't be once Deng starts on opening night. The only times when Nick started was because Deng was resting |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | His rotations are terrible. I'm at a loss of words. |
I agree. I don't ever wanna see a lou/young starting lineup. I mean what have preseason really established from a starting standpoint? he doesn't even have a idea of the starting line up. lou is not a starter nor is young. |
There has to be something else going on that we don't know about because there's no way Lou should ever start over Clarkson. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave20 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | His rotations are terrible. I'm at a loss of words. |
I agree. I don't ever wanna see a lou/young starting lineup. I mean what have preseason really established from a starting standpoint? he doesn't even have a idea of the starting line up. lou is not a starter nor is young. |
There has to be something else going on that we don't know about because there's no way Lou should ever start over Clarkson. |
We have 3 sixth men. Jc/Lou/nick. Jc is better at that roll than others. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | His rotations are terrible. I'm at a loss of words. |
I agree. I don't ever wanna see a lou/young starting lineup. I mean what have preseason really established from a starting standpoint? he doesn't even have a idea of the starting line up. lou is not a starter nor is young. |
There has to be something else going on that we don't know about because there's no way Lou should ever start over Clarkson. |
We have 3 sixth men. Jc/Lou/nick. Jc is better at that roll than others. |
Don't forget Julius as sixth man also. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | His rotations are terrible. I'm at a loss of words. |
I agree. I don't ever wanna see a lou/young starting lineup. I mean what have preseason really established from a starting standpoint? he doesn't even have a idea of the starting line up. lou is not a starter nor is young. |
There has to be something else going on that we don't know about because there's no way Lou should ever start over Clarkson. |
We have 3 sixth men. Jc/Lou/nick. Jc is better at that roll than others. |
JC has more room to grow than the others, but I wouldn't say he's better. We really don't have a starting caliber 2 on the team, and that's a huge problem. |
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| AllorNothing wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | His rotations are terrible. I'm at a loss of words. |
I agree. I don't ever wanna see a lou/young starting lineup. I mean what have preseason really established from a starting standpoint? he doesn't even have a idea of the starting line up. lou is not a starter nor is young. |
There has to be something else going on that we don't know about because there's no way Lou should ever start over Clarkson. |
We have 3 sixth men. Jc/Lou/nick. Jc is better at that roll than others. |
Don't forget Julius as sixth man also. |
Maybe but he gets rbs at a good rate. I think deng will open 1st unit up but if we aren't going to slug Calderon at 2 I would prefer Jc for now even though he is better suited or bench |
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