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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:06 am Post subject: |
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I still think our roster is in the bottom third of the league.
The fact that we've been playing this well is still a surprise to me.
Great job Luke. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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MJST Retired Number
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Yama Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:50 am Post subject: |
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mporter wrote: | Dare I say Mark Jackson? It's clear he wants the job. |
Haha I thought I was the only one who noticed that during the broadcast |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:41 am Post subject: |
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Mark Jackson wouldn't improve our offense.
That's the biggest problem. If we could keep our defensive identity but implement an ACTUAL offense and have a true X's and O's guy it would help us a ton. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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PayasoLoco Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:05 am Post subject: |
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What was Luke’s explanation for having Randle on Joel in the fourth? Guy seems like a moron at times with his subbing and line ups |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:39 am Post subject: |
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blackmamba08 wrote: | anpherknee wrote: | blackmamba08 wrote: | Again loss on Luke 100%.
Bogut played great game, should have been in the game last 4-5 min. Big mistake by Luke costing us the game. Randle cant guard my 80 years old grandmother.
Big big mistake Mr. Walton. I am still fan but not really patient person. He need to figure these things already. |
is she a free agent?
we need buckets on this team anyway we can get them fam |
I do not know her contract situation I will check. But for sure she can score if Randle is guarding her. My god he is so bad in defense. Its not even funny anymore. And some people wants him on C position. |
Putting Randle on Embiid would be dumb. That's not Randles game.
His game is better suited for switching defenses. And yes, small ball Randle is fine at the 5. But not against a top 5 center. |
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Outspoken Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Leaving randle to guard embiid is one of the worst coaching decision I have ever seen. |
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ShowtimeReturns Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Outspoken wrote: | Leaving randle to guard embiid is one of the worst coaching decision I have ever seen. |
Just when I think Walton's starting to become a decent coach he pulls this kind of crap |
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Don Draper Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:44 am Post subject: |
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ShowtimeReturns wrote: | Outspoken wrote: | Leaving randle to guard embiid is one of the worst coaching decision I have ever seen. |
Just when I think Walton's starting to become a decent coach he pulls this kind of crap |
Would not surprise me at all if Luke and co's rationale was that they thought it'd "build character" or "put Randle in his place" since he's been known to have attitude issues. |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:23 am Post subject: |
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I think Randle was our best option at Center last night. He was part of the squad who brought us back.
And Lopez and Bogut couldn't stop Embiid either. At least with Randle, there is a hope that he can beat Embiid up the floor and punish Embiid for his poor conditioning (which Joel admitted too).
All 3 of our "centers" were a - defensive matchup against Joel. But Randle was the biggest + offensively IMO. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:34 am Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | Right, it is Luke’s fault we don’t have any shooters and instead have 8 big men. The FO built this team, if anyone needs fired it is their amateur asses. |
I blame the horrible 3 point shooting. |
And that falls on personnel. Instead we loaded up on bigs, I guess that is because it worked in 1985. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:35 am Post subject: |
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PayasoLoco wrote: | What was Luke’s explanation for having Randle on Joel in the fourth? Guy seems like a moron at times with his subbing and line ups |
That Julius did well guarding Embiid earlier _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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noahp45 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:40 am Post subject: |
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4 min left in the game Lakers up 1. 6ers go in to Embiid on every play for a bucket. As a coach you call time out and switch it, you don't ride it out. This is all on garbage coaching |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Don Draper wrote: | ShowtimeReturns wrote: | Outspoken wrote: | Leaving randle to guard embiid is one of the worst coaching decision I have ever seen. |
Just when I think Walton's starting to become a decent coach he pulls this kind of crap |
Would not surprise me at all if Luke and co's rationale was that they thought it'd "build character" or "put Randle in his place" since he's been known to have attitude issues. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:15 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | I think Randle was our best option at Center last night. He was part of the squad who brought us back.
And Lopez and Bogut couldn't stop Embiid either. At least with Randle, there is a hope that he can beat Embiid up the floor and punish Embiid for his poor conditioning (which Joel admitted too).
All 3 of our "centers" were a - defensive matchup against Joel. But Randle was the biggest + offensively IMO. |
Do you mean in the 1st quarter? I think that was largely because Embiid and Simmons were out of the game.
Another component of Luke's awful decision was playing Julius 16 straight minutes to finish the game so he had nothing left in the tank to compete against Embiid. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Don Draper wrote: | ShowtimeReturns wrote: | Outspoken wrote: | Leaving randle to guard embiid is one of the worst coaching decision I have ever seen. |
Just when I think Walton's starting to become a decent coach he pulls this kind of crap |
Would not surprise me at all if Luke and co's rationale was that they thought it'd "build character" or "put Randle in his place" since he's been known to have attitude issues. |
If he sacrificed a potential win to make a point he needs to be gone now. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:36 am Post subject: |
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So even when he plays him extended minutes now it's a passive shot. Luke can just do nothing right to win these people over. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Alright, now that we've got our defense in place.
I'm confident the offense will start to get some focus.
I love hearing from Luke that guys will be practicing more 3s.
I'm hoping by mid December, we'll see the offense clicking a bit.
And by February, the staff should have an idea of who are keepers. |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone convinced yet if Luke somehow contributes to the poor shooting and offensive prowess of our young players?
They always seem to feel ... held back with him. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | Anyone convinced yet if Luke somehow contributes to the poor shooting and offensive prowess of our young players?
They always seem to feel ... held back with him. |
Like the times when a guy passes up a shot and he's on the sideline doing the "take the shot" motion? |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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greenfrog wrote: | kikanga wrote: | I think Randle was our best option at Center last night. He was part of the squad who brought us back.
And Lopez and Bogut couldn't stop Embiid either. At least with Randle, there is a hope that he can beat Embiid up the floor and punish Embiid for his poor conditioning (which Joel admitted too).
All 3 of our "centers" were a - defensive matchup against Joel. But Randle was the biggest + offensively IMO. |
Do you mean in the 1st quarter? I think that was largely because Embiid and Simmons were out of the game.
Another component of Luke's awful decision was playing Julius 16 straight minutes to finish the game so he had nothing left in the tank to compete against Embiid. |
I'm not a fan of any player playing more than 12 minutes straight for the reason you brought up. Nationally televised games do have longer commercial breaks than normal games. But still 16 minutes straight is asking alot.
Brook was -11 in his 15 minutes of play. Shooting 3 for 12. Don't blame Luke for not bringing him back in (even though some of that could be blamed on Lonzo).
Bogut was an option. But like I said earlier. I think our offense was better off with Randle in the game. And Bogut wasn't gonna stop Embiid either.
Philly has more talent than we do. I'm impressed we kept it close and almost won. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Anyone convinced yet if Luke somehow contributes to the poor shooting and offensive prowess of our young players?
They always seem to feel ... held back with him. |
Like the times when a guy passes up a shot and he's on the sideline doing the "take the shot" motion? |
No, I mean, more, how our young rookies seem to start out historically bad.
This isn't "Lonzo isnt a shooter" bad. It's among the worst in league history bad.
Kinda similar with Ingram too.
Maybe just a coincedence but severity of the suckiness has gotta make one wonder |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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ringfinger wrote: | epak wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Anyone convinced yet if Luke somehow contributes to the poor shooting and offensive prowess of our young players?
They always seem to feel ... held back with him. |
Like the times when a guy passes up a shot and he's on the sideline doing the "take the shot" motion? |
No, I mean, more, how our young rookies seem to start out historically bad.
This isn't "Lonzo isnt a shooter" bad. It's among the worst in league history bad.
Kinda similar with Ingram too.
Maybe just a coincedence but severity of the suckiness has gotta make one wonder |
I'd actually like to know how coaches coach.
Do they focus on one aspect during parts of the season? Such as focus on defense. Then focus on parts of the offense.
Or do they compartmentalize and focus on all aspects at the same time? |
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ringfinger Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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I'd also like to know what an experienced coach does as it relates to rookies.
Prior to becoming an NBA head coach, I don't think Luke ever had experience being responsible for a rookie. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Luke just does not have enough in-game or X and O experience. I still like the hire because I think he can create a cohesive group of guys who can play together. However, he needs a lot of help with in-game adjustments. As a whole, I think the entire Lakers team is missing experienced coaches who have a history of 1) teaching young players; and 2) reading and reacting to adjustments made by the other team. It reminds me of when Jerry West hired Hubie Brown to coach the Grizz. It was an odd choice but it made sense when Jerry said he wanted Hubie to teach the guys how to play basketball the right way. The Lakers need someone like that for their coaching staff. |
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