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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:32 pm    Post subject:

I agree with you guys that Nance shouldn't be starting, but the analytics guys would tell you not to read into a four game sample that includes the Warriors and Rockets.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:47 pm    Post subject:

fiendishoc wrote:
I agree with you guys that Nance shouldn't be starting, but the analytics guys would tell you not to read into a four game sample that includes the Warriors and Rockets.


How about reading into a 23 game sample in which our record is much better with Kuzma starting than Nance starting?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:15 pm    Post subject:

Here's something to think about

Pick and Roll Ball Handler Defensive %ile


Julius Randle: 86th %ile
Kyle Kuzma: 29th %ile
Larry Nance Jr: 7th %ile

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject:

plus Kooz did IIRC the best job according to GT in guarding Harden when switched onto him
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:47 pm    Post subject:

fiendishoc wrote:
I agree with you guys that Nance shouldn't be starting, but the analytics guys would tell you not to read into a four game sample that includes the Warriors and Rockets.


I’m not sure they would actually. If they are looking at the right analytics, it wouldn’t matter too much who they play.

The analytics should, if done right, account for that.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:48 pm    Post subject:

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fiendishoc wrote:
I agree with you guys that Nance shouldn't be starting, but the analytics guys would tell you not to read into a four game sample that includes the Warriors and Rockets.


I’m not sure they would actually. If they are looking at the right analytics, it wouldn’t matter too much who they play.

The analytics should, if done right, account for that.


I was specifically referring to the posts above mine.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:52 pm    Post subject:

So, is Nance’s man defense overrated?

Anyone but MJ please respond.

My man (MJ) is Mr. Consistency. We all know his angle.

Respect to you dude.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:59 pm    Post subject:

The Juggernaut wrote:
fiendishoc wrote:
I agree with you guys that Nance shouldn't be starting, but the analytics guys would tell you not to read into a four game sample that includes the Warriors and Rockets.


How about reading into a 23 game sample in which our record is much better with Kuzma starting than Nance starting?


we were 5-6 with Kuzma starting...but that included a very soft part of our schedule. We lost to Phoenix and Sacramento with Kuzma starting. We also have some very poor offensive games with Kuzma starting...scoring 100 or less in 4 of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:02 pm    Post subject:

I'm going to lose my mind if I don't soon have the pleasure of reading another "Hey Luke" post from MJST.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:12 pm    Post subject:

Hey MJST! Have you replaced Luke in 2K18 yet? 😂
And if so, have you replaced him with a fan made version of Messina?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:26 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Here's something to think about

Pick and Roll Ball Handler Defensive %ile


Julius Randle: 86th %ile
Kyle Kuzma: 29th %ile
Larry Nance Jr: 7th %ile


Awesome.
BTW, Corey Brewer is 98.4%ile.
Let's start him!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:33 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
MJST wrote:
Here's something to think about

Pick and Roll Ball Handler Defensive %ile


Julius Randle: 86th %ile
Kyle Kuzma: 29th %ile
Larry Nance Jr: 7th %ile


Awesome.
BTW, Corey Brewer is 98.4%ile.
Let's start him!!!!


never let all of the facts get in the way of narrative / agenda
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:37 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
epak wrote:
MJST wrote:
Here's something to think about

Pick and Roll Ball Handler Defensive %ile


Julius Randle: 86th %ile
Kyle Kuzma: 29th %ile
Larry Nance Jr: 7th %ile


Awesome.
BTW, Corey Brewer is 98.4%ile.
Let's start him!!!!


never let all of the facts get in the way of narrative / agenda


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:41 pm    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
Hey MJST! Have you replaced Luke in 2K18 yet? 😂
And if so, have you replaced him with a fan made version of Messina?


If you want the honest truth... I did lol

I went into NBA2K and did a Lakers rebuild.

Which pretty much entailed that I fired Luke, made Ettore Messina (which looked just like him) changed our offense to the Spurs playbook.

Ran a lineup of

Lonzo Ball
Kyle Kuzma
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Brook Lopez

With
Jordan Clarkson
Josh Hart
Luol Deng
Larry Nance Jr.
Ivica Zubac

With the bench.

Ran it throughout the season and we actually wound up winning 47 games and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs before losing in 6 close games.

Was fun to do.. should probably make a youtube video about it, or do it again and make a youtube video lol.

What I will say though is that Kuzma in the Danny Green role is money and Ingram in the Kawhi Leonard role is also money. Randle and Lopez also worked very well at the 4 and 5 in the Spurs offense, and Lonzo's stats looked similar to how they're looking this year but he shot a better percentage and we won more games.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:43 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
epak wrote:
MJST wrote:
Here's something to think about

Pick and Roll Ball Handler Defensive %ile


Julius Randle: 86th %ile
Kyle Kuzma: 29th %ile
Larry Nance Jr: 7th %ile


Awesome.
BTW, Corey Brewer is 98.4%ile.
Let's start him!!!!


never let all of the facts get in the way of narrative / agenda

Ah I thought we'd hit this little snag where someone attempted this crap with the 'oh the narrative fitting'.

So I had this waiting

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No player has defended more mismatched iso possessions than Julius Randle (31 possessions), and those opponents are scoring 0.677 PPP against him


From GT:
This is how many points better/worse the Lakers are per 100 possessions when certain guys are on the court vs when they aren't. (min. 200 minutes)

Randle = +7.5
Hart = +5.5
JC = +2.3
Lopez = +1.4
KCP = +0.2
Kuz = -1.8
Brewer = -2.2
Lonzo = -3.0
Ingram = -7.1
Nance = -7.5



Now please kindly recede back from when-st you came ^_^
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:51 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
Hey MJST! Have you replaced Luke in 2K18 yet? 😂
And if so, have you replaced him with a fan made version of Messina?


If you want the honest truth... I did lol

I went into NBA2K and did a Lakers rebuild.

Which pretty much entailed that I fired Luke, made Ettore Messina (which looked just like him) changed our offense to the Spurs playbook.

Ran a lineup of

Lonzo Ball
Kyle Kuzma
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Brook Lopez

With
Jordan Clarkson
Josh Hart
Luol Deng
Larry Nance Jr.
Ivica Zubac

With the bench.

Ran it throughout the season and we actually wound up winning 47 games and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs before losing in 6 close games.

Was fun to do.. should probably make a youtube video about it, or do it again and make a youtube video lol.

What I will say though is that Kuzma in the Danny Green role is money and Ingram in the Kawhi Leonard role is also money. Randle and Lopez also worked very well at the 4 and 5 in the Spurs offense, and Lonzo's stats looked similar to how they're looking this year but he shot a better percentage and we won more games.


Serious question: how did u create randle a mix of LeBron +Malone+ Barkley + Steph curry's shooting
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:59 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
adkindo wrote:
epak wrote:
MJST wrote:
Here's something to think about

Pick and Roll Ball Handler Defensive %ile


Julius Randle: 86th %ile
Kyle Kuzma: 29th %ile
Larry Nance Jr: 7th %ile


Awesome.
BTW, Corey Brewer is 98.4%ile.
Let's start him!!!!


never let all of the facts get in the way of narrative / agenda

Ah I thought we'd hit this little snag where someone attempted this crap with the 'oh the narrative fitting'.

So I had this waiting

Cranjis McBasketball‏
@T1m_NBA

No player has defended more mismatched iso possessions than Julius Randle (31 possessions), and those opponents are scoring 0.677 PPP against him


From GT:
This is how many points better/worse the Lakers are per 100 possessions when certain guys are on the court vs when they aren't. (min. 200 minutes)

Randle = +7.5
Hart = +5.5
JC = +2.3
Lopez = +1.4
KCP = +0.2
Kuz = -1.8
Brewer = -2.2
Lonzo = -3.0
Ingram = -7.1
Nance = -7.5



Now please kindly recede back from when-st you came ^_^


not sure what your point is...we have known that bench unit with Randle and Clarkson has been more productive offensively this year...but they only play about 20 MPG.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:02 pm    Post subject:

Kuzzkontrol wrote:
MJST wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
Hey MJST! Have you replaced Luke in 2K18 yet? 😂
And if so, have you replaced him with a fan made version of Messina?


If you want the honest truth... I did lol

I went into NBA2K and did a Lakers rebuild.

Which pretty much entailed that I fired Luke, made Ettore Messina (which looked just like him) changed our offense to the Spurs playbook.

Ran a lineup of

Lonzo Ball
Kyle Kuzma
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Brook Lopez

With
Jordan Clarkson
Josh Hart
Luol Deng
Larry Nance Jr.
Ivica Zubac

With the bench.

Ran it throughout the season and we actually wound up winning 47 games and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs before losing in 6 close games.

Was fun to do.. should probably make a youtube video about it, or do it again and make a youtube video lol.

What I will say though is that Kuzma in the Danny Green role is money and Ingram in the Kawhi Leonard role is also money. Randle and Lopez also worked very well at the 4 and 5 in the Spurs offense, and Lonzo's stats looked similar to how they're looking this year but he shot a better percentage and we won more games.


Serious question: how did u create randle a mix of LeBron +Malone+ Barkley + Steph curry's shooting


No lol In 2K17 I did once give LeBron Steph Curry's shot and wanted to see how his stats changed

But in the Lakers rebuild I don't adjust anything really. I just play it through. I think the only thing I've ever edited and it was in an unreleased rebuild was changing one players tendency to shoot threes to match what they did in real life cause 2K hadn't gotten around to that
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:03 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
adkindo wrote:
epak wrote:
MJST wrote:
Here's something to think about

Pick and Roll Ball Handler Defensive %ile


Julius Randle: 86th %ile
Kyle Kuzma: 29th %ile
Larry Nance Jr: 7th %ile


Awesome.
BTW, Corey Brewer is 98.4%ile.
Let's start him!!!!


never let all of the facts get in the way of narrative / agenda

Ah I thought we'd hit this little snag where someone attempted this crap with the 'oh the narrative fitting'.

So I had this waiting

Cranjis McBasketball‏
@T1m_NBA

No player has defended more mismatched iso possessions than Julius Randle (31 possessions), and those opponents are scoring 0.677 PPP against him


From GT:
This is how many points better/worse the Lakers are per 100 possessions when certain guys are on the court vs when they aren't. (min. 200 minutes)

Randle = +7.5
Hart = +5.5
JC = +2.3
Lopez = +1.4
KCP = +0.2
Kuz = -1.8
Brewer = -2.2
Lonzo = -3.0
Ingram = -7.1
Nance = -7.5



Now please kindly recede back from when-st you came ^_^


Since when did Plus/Minus stop being a joke? Seriously, I remember people laughing at this stat in the 90's. If it was RPM which accounts for the quality of the opposing players on the floor I could buy it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:05 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Kuzzkontrol wrote:
MJST wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
Hey MJST! Have you replaced Luke in 2K18 yet? 😂
And if so, have you replaced him with a fan made version of Messina?


If you want the honest truth... I did lol

I went into NBA2K and did a Lakers rebuild.

Which pretty much entailed that I fired Luke, made Ettore Messina (which looked just like him) changed our offense to the Spurs playbook.

Ran a lineup of

Lonzo Ball
Kyle Kuzma
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Brook Lopez

With
Jordan Clarkson
Josh Hart
Luol Deng
Larry Nance Jr.
Ivica Zubac

With the bench.

Ran it throughout the season and we actually wound up winning 47 games and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs before losing in 6 close games.

Was fun to do.. should probably make a youtube video about it, or do it again and make a youtube video lol.

What I will say though is that Kuzma in the Danny Green role is money and Ingram in the Kawhi Leonard role is also money. Randle and Lopez also worked very well at the 4 and 5 in the Spurs offense, and Lonzo's stats looked similar to how they're looking this year but he shot a better percentage and we won more games.


Serious question: how did u create randle a mix of LeBron +Malone+ Barkley + Steph curry's shooting


No lol In 2K17 I did once give LeBron Steph Curry's shot and wanted to see how his stats changed

But in the Lakers rebuild I don't adjust anything really. I just play it through. I think the only thing I've ever edited and it was in an unreleased rebuild was changing one players tendency to shoot threes to match what they did in real life cause 2K hadn't gotten around to that


Haha. It's like I can read your mind MJST. That and you're pretty open with your feelings. 😜 Luke out Messina in haha...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:07 pm    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
MJST wrote:
Kuzzkontrol wrote:
MJST wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
Hey MJST! Have you replaced Luke in 2K18 yet? 😂
And if so, have you replaced him with a fan made version of Messina?


If you want the honest truth... I did lol

I went into NBA2K and did a Lakers rebuild.

Which pretty much entailed that I fired Luke, made Ettore Messina (which looked just like him) changed our offense to the Spurs playbook.

Ran a lineup of

Lonzo Ball
Kyle Kuzma
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Brook Lopez

With
Jordan Clarkson
Josh Hart
Luol Deng
Larry Nance Jr.
Ivica Zubac

With the bench.

Ran it throughout the season and we actually wound up winning 47 games and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs before losing in 6 close games.

Was fun to do.. should probably make a youtube video about it, or do it again and make a youtube video lol.

What I will say though is that Kuzma in the Danny Green role is money and Ingram in the Kawhi Leonard role is also money. Randle and Lopez also worked very well at the 4 and 5 in the Spurs offense, and Lonzo's stats looked similar to how they're looking this year but he shot a better percentage and we won more games.


Serious question: how did u create randle a mix of LeBron +Malone+ Barkley + Steph curry's shooting


No lol In 2K17 I did once give LeBron Steph Curry's shot and wanted to see how his stats changed

But in the Lakers rebuild I don't adjust anything really. I just play it through. I think the only thing I've ever edited and it was in an unreleased rebuild was changing one players tendency to shoot threes to match what they did in real life cause 2K hadn't gotten around to that


Haha. It's like I can read your mind MJST. That and you're pretty open with your feelings. 😜 Luke out Messina in haha...


And it worked That's what made me happiest lol

Maybe for my next youtube video I'll do something like putting Luke on the Rockets and D'Antoni with the Lakers and seeing how the records change
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:12 pm    Post subject:

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Since when did Plus/Minus stop being a joke? Seriously, I remember people laughing at this stat in the 90's. If it was RPM which accounts for the quality of the opposing players on the floor I could buy it.


RPM has as many holes in it as any other "new" "all encompassing" metric
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:22 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
Since when did Plus/Minus stop being a joke? Seriously, I remember people laughing at this stat in the 90's. If it was RPM which accounts for the quality of the opposing players on the floor I could buy it.


RPM has as many holes in it as any other "new" "all encompassing" metric


It makes the attempt at least.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:55 pm    Post subject:

adkindo wrote:
greenfrog wrote:
Since when did Plus/Minus stop being a joke? Seriously, I remember people laughing at this stat in the 90's. If it was RPM which accounts for the quality of the opposing players on the floor I could buy it.


RPM has as many holes in it as any other "new" "all encompassing" metric

No, it certainly has fewer holes. But it still has holes, for sure.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:52 pm    Post subject:

Personally I like +/-
I don't use it to show that player A is better than player B.
I like using it to see how lineups do.
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