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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:36 pm    Post subject:

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you go pay a guy 64m/4 on the 1st second and then play him 20mins? when the other team is specially playing Len 34 and Chandler 23 mins?

what the hell Luke


I guess you are clueless of Mozgov's playing history.


Good to see Luke call a quick TO in the 3rd and get into the team, their effort after that was much improved.


i guess you are as clueless as anybody in here? isnt it? its what 20th game of the season and you are going to sit a healthy guy cause his career says he can only play 20mins?

what an awful logic, like all of your posts
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you go pay a guy 64m/4 on the 1st second and then play him 20mins? when the other team is specially playing Len 34 and Chandler 23 mins?

what the hell Luke


I guess you are clueless of Mozgov's playing history.


Good to see Luke call a quick TO in the 3rd and get into the team, their effort after that was much improved.


i guess you are as clueless as anybody in here? isnt it? its what 20th game of the season and you are going to sit a healthy guy cause his career says he can only play 20mins?

what an awful logic, like all of your posts


I swear yall dudes at each other head every day

lets bring it in guise

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:38 pm    Post subject:

The idea that you would get more returns by playing a guy more minutes than he is able to play is an incorrect one. Moz has always been a 20-22 mpg player, to expect more than that is an unrealistic expectation.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:45 pm    Post subject:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/deng-738015-walton-play.html

good guy luke falling on the sword
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:47 pm    Post subject:

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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/deng-738015-walton-play.html

good guy luke falling on the sword


Yet another example of the chasm between Luke and Byron.
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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/deng-738015-walton-play.html

good guy luke falling on the sword


Luke is team #fireluke
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:49 pm    Post subject:

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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/deng-738015-walton-play.html

good guy luke falling on the sword


The whole thing is a growth process, it takes time to fit new pieces together. And they are all new pieces to Luke. And considering some pieces have missed time, it makes it that much more difficult. When I start a new season I typically have 75% players who are new to me, and it isn't easy figuring them all out and where they fit best.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:00 pm    Post subject:

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The idea that you would get more returns by playing a guy more minutes than he is able to play is an incorrect one. Moz has always been a 20-22 mpg player, to expect more than that is an unrealistic expectation.


so he absolutely cant play 25-28mins when the matchup requires & when they are down bodies?

nba finals 2015:
Game 1: 33:12mins
Game 2: 29:20mins
Game 3: 32:01mins
Game 4: 33:29mins
Game 5: 9mins
Game 6: 32:31mins

so when the need is there for a series he has played above 30mins.

so stop acting like you know better then everybody else. which is far from truth
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:02 pm    Post subject:

I am sure he would play more if we make the Finals.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:08 pm    Post subject:

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anpherknee wrote:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/deng-738015-walton-play.html

good guy luke falling on the sword


The whole thing is a growth process, it takes time to fit new pieces together. And they are all new pieces to Luke. And considering some pieces have missed time, it makes it that much more difficult. When I start a new season I typically have 75% players who are new to me, and it isn't easy figuring them all out and where they fit best.


good luck to the kids.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:09 pm    Post subject:

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I am sure he would play more if we make the Finals.


and then you have the audacity to call others clueless. smh
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:09 pm    Post subject:

Especially to the ones who got college scholarships for football.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:10 pm    Post subject:

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Especially to the ones who got college scholarships for football.


only a insecure person shows off on the internet. but good for you
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:11 pm    Post subject:

yall need to just shoot the fair one and get it over with fam

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:11 pm    Post subject:

No, good for them.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:12 pm    Post subject:

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yall need to just shoot the fair one and get it over with fam



i agree i am done
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:26 am    Post subject:

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yall need to just shoot the fair one and get it over with fam



i agree i am done


Please continue. It is entertaining.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:35 am    Post subject:

I was looking at 4-man lineup data and found:

Clarkson,Jordan - Deng,Luol - Randle,Julius - Williams,Lou
ORTG: 92.9 DRTG: 108.9

Deng,Luol - Randle,Julius - Russell,D'Angelo - Young,Nick
ORTG: 110.3 DRTG: 107.0

Meanwhile,
Clarkson,Jordan - Ingram,Brandon - Nance Jr.,Larry - Williams,Lou
ORTG: 118.4 DRTG: 101.4

Decent, but noisy sample sizes.

This should go without saying to anyone who's watched, but this is the reason Luke wanted to keep the bench together as long as possible. Nick & DLO's scoring abilities (plus DLO's playmaking) made a lineup with Deng & Randle (+ Moz but also Black/ Nance) offensively tenable.

Lou & Clarkson, despite Lou's ridiculous hot streak, aren't nearly as effective with these two overall net negatives in the half court. But they are part of an absolutely killer front unit that really comes down to a great attacking back court and a front court that does the dirty work.

The one thing I'd like Luke to try at some point when we're back healthy: that great bench lineup has fared equally well with both Ingram and Deng. I'd like, at some point, to see Ingram there in the starting lineup where he can serve as that release valve for Russell while also ostensibly providing more spacing. That transition ball, plus the ball dominant nature of Clarkson and Williams, means the bench doesn't feel Deng's Dengness on offense as much.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:13 am    Post subject:

* Metta World Peace thinks Luke Walton is going to be a Hall of Fame coach

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Los Angeles might have a special coach on their hands.

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2016/12/10/13910800/la-lakers-metta-world-peace-luke-walton-hall-of-fame-coach


* How Phil Jackson molded Luke Walton's coaching philosophies

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Walton could not be on the court and provide the timely passes that made the triangle offense run smoothly. Walton could not be around his teammates to promote the bonding atmosphere that Jackson craved, either.

So, Jackson gave Walton a different assignment. Throughout the 2010-11 season, Walton sat on the sideline and charted plays. Walton helped former Lakers assistant Frank Hamblen compile scouting reports and break down film. And Walton sat in on coaches meetings, seeing up close how Jackson’s coaching staff prepared for games and assessed their own players.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/walton-738070-jackson-lakers.html
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:38 am    Post subject:

tox wrote:
I was looking at 4-man lineup data and found:

Clarkson,Jordan - Deng,Luol - Randle,Julius - Williams,Lou
ORTG: 92.9 DRTG: 108.9

Deng,Luol - Randle,Julius - Russell,D'Angelo - Young,Nick
ORTG: 110.3 DRTG: 107.0

Meanwhile,
Clarkson,Jordan - Ingram,Brandon - Nance Jr.,Larry - Williams,Lou
ORTG: 118.4 DRTG: 101.4

Decent, but noisy sample sizes.

This should go without saying to anyone who's watched, but this is the reason Luke wanted to keep the bench together as long as possible. Nick & DLO's scoring abilities (plus DLO's playmaking) made a lineup with Deng & Randle (+ Moz but also Black/ Nance) offensively tenable.

Lou & Clarkson, despite Lou's ridiculous hot streak, aren't nearly as effective with these two overall net negatives in the half court. But they are part of an absolutely killer front unit that really comes down to a great attacking back court and a front court that does the dirty work.

The one thing I'd like Luke to try at some point when we're back healthy: that great bench lineup has fared equally well with both Ingram and Deng. I'd like, at some point, to see Ingram there in the starting lineup where he can serve as that release valve for Russell while also ostensibly providing more spacing. That transition ball, plus the ball dominant nature of Clarkson and Williams, means the bench doesn't feel Deng's Dengness on offense as much.


Good stuff, thanks for the input. While we can discuss and argue about sample size and other things, I think the trend is that our young players are projecting upward and we should be happy putting our hopes into them as a unit.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:43 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
I was looking at 4-man lineup data and found:

Clarkson,Jordan - Deng,Luol - Randle,Julius - Williams,Lou
ORTG: 92.9 DRTG: 108.9

Deng,Luol - Randle,Julius - Russell,D'Angelo - Young,Nick
ORTG: 110.3 DRTG: 107.0

Meanwhile,
Clarkson,Jordan - Ingram,Brandon - Nance Jr.,Larry - Williams,Lou
ORTG: 118.4 DRTG: 101.4

Decent, but noisy sample sizes.

This should go without saying to anyone who's watched, but this is the reason Luke wanted to keep the bench together as long as possible. Nick & DLO's scoring abilities (plus DLO's playmaking) made a lineup with Deng & Randle (+ Moz but also Black/ Nance) offensively tenable.

Lou & Clarkson, despite Lou's ridiculous hot streak, aren't nearly as effective with these two overall net negatives in the half court. But they are part of an absolutely killer front unit that really comes down to a great attacking back court and a front court that does the dirty work.

The one thing I'd like Luke to try at some point when we're back healthy: that great bench lineup has fared equally well with both Ingram and Deng. I'd like, at some point, to see Ingram there in the starting lineup where he can serve as that release valve for Russell while also ostensibly providing more spacing. That transition ball, plus the ball dominant nature of Clarkson and Williams, means the bench doesn't feel Deng's Dengness on offense as much.


This. Definitely this. What an awesome post.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:13 pm    Post subject:

are they gonna stick to this defensive strategy? please stop switching 100% of the time
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:30 pm    Post subject:

anpherknee wrote:
yall need to just shoot the fair one and get it over with fam



I hear Temecula is the meet up spot
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:31 pm    Post subject:

levon wrote:
are they gonna stick to this defensive strategy? please stop switching 100% of the time


Resulted in a lot of easy baskets.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:31 pm    Post subject:

At what point does the front office and coaches just accept that certain guys will always be bad defenders?
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