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awntawn
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| the rotation pattern and philosophy has got to be the worst in history. that includes Byron |
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panamaniac
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| It's time for Luke to hold these young kids accountable. Nnce taking responsibility for a loss vs Kings, when he shouldn't have been out there to begin with is a travesty. I wholeheartedly respect him for having the guts to shoulder the responsibility, but where is Dlo, Ingram, Randle, Clarkson and even Luke (whose terrible subs were a big part of the loss)??? It's time for the young players, whom the organization view as cornerstones/big building blocks to come out and face the music. We need to start demanding more of them, and I think it starts with Luke. |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Luke needs to be held accountable. No more benefit of the doubt. Not sure why he plays Ingram so much when he is contributing nothing at times. |
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zoom K083
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| whatever byron was running post all star break sans kobe looked way better than anything luke runs |
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justsomelakerfan
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Luke needs to be held accountable. No more benefit of the doubt. Not sure why he plays Ingram so much when he is contributing nothing at times. |
There's a lot of deserved criticism for Luke, playing Ingram development minutes isn't one of them.
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panamaniac
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | Luke needs to be held accountable. No more benefit of the doubt. Not sure why he plays Ingram so much when he is contributing nothing at times. |
There's a lot of deserved criticism for Luke, playing Ingram development minutes isn't one of them. |
Agreed, Ingram's minutes will pay dividends in the future. |
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justsomelakerfan
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| zoom K083 wrote: | | whatever byron was running post all star break sans kobe looked way better than anything luke runs |
I've had to listen to games for the past 2 weeks so I can't speak on this very well. But I'm getting this impression, can someone give some insight into this? I'm generally speaking not happy with our offense and 2nd unit right now
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Yong
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Boston already have the better squad, and the better future (Net's picks)
And it is clear as day now that Brad Stevens is also miles ahead of Luke..
Hai... |
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justsomelakerfan
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Of course Brad Stevens is better than a rookie coach right now. I'm trying to deconstruct what Luke has actually done this season, forget about Boston
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Yong
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Of course Brad Stevens is better than a rookie coach right now. I'm trying to deconstruct what Luke has actually done this season, forget about Boston |
Brad Stevens as a rookie was way better than Luke is today ... |
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justsomelakerfan
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| Yong wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Of course Brad Stevens is better than a rookie coach right now. I'm trying to deconstruct what Luke has actually done this season, forget about Boston |
Brad Stevens as a rookie was way better than Luke is today ... |
The Celtics first season of their rebuild ended with a 25-57 record
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Yong wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Of course Brad Stevens is better than a rookie coach right now. I'm trying to deconstruct what Luke has actually done this season, forget about Boston |
Brad Stevens as a rookie was way better than Luke is today ... |
Brad Stevens descended from heaven as a fully formed coach with zero experience. |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| zoom K083 wrote: | | whatever byron was running post all star break sans kobe looked way better than anything luke runs |
Well, addition is much easier to grasp than calculus
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justsomelakerfan
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | zoom K083 wrote: | | whatever byron was running post all star break sans kobe looked way better than anything luke runs |
I've had to listen to games for the past 2 weeks so I can't speak on this very well. But I'm getting this impression, can someone give some insight into this? I'm generally speaking not happy with our offense and 2nd unit right now |
Anyways enough about boston. I can't hear coaching very well on the radio
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lakersfan8
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| I believe Luke is experimenting a small ball lineup with Nance playing the C position. It is clearly not working very well as he is undersized. This actually makes Black very valuable to this team. |
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justsomelakerfan
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | I believe Luke is experimenting a small ball lineup with Nance playing the C position. It is clearly not working very well as he is undersized. This actually makes Black very valuable to this team. |
Zubac and Black picked up fouls super quick though, right? Also Randle-Nance had some weirdly good moments to start the season? Sorry I'm really just trying to piece things together.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Yong wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Of course Brad Stevens is better than a rookie coach right now. I'm trying to deconstruct what Luke has actually done this season, forget about Boston |
Brad Stevens as a rookie was way better than Luke is today ... |
The Celtics first season of their rebuild ended with a 25-57 record |
IIRC, while that is true, they didn't really have any lottery picks that year.
The first time they got a pick of any relevance was the following year when they drafted Marcus Smart. They won 40 games that season. |
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bonkers
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| I like the premise of Nance or Randle as a smallball C, but to maximize the benefits of that, they've got to be able to stretch the floor from deep |
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Luke was in a good position to make an impact speech due to this game. Just lay it all out there, there is turmoil in the FO, someone new might be in charge and some of those players might not be Lakers this time next week. Use the break to decide if you want to give the team a reason to keep you and come back like it was the start of the season.
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justsomelakerfan
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| ringfinger wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Yong wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Of course Brad Stevens is better than a rookie coach right now. I'm trying to deconstruct what Luke has actually done this season, forget about Boston |
Brad Stevens as a rookie was way better than Luke is today ... |
The Celtics first season of their rebuild ended with a 25-57 record |
IIRC, while that is true, they didn't really have any lottery picks that year.
The first time they got a pick of any relevance was the following year when they drafted Marcus Smart. They won 40 games that season. |
Is it fair to compare a bunch of baby prospects to vets who are familiar with NBA games? I really don't know the answer to that question, but I wonder how fair of a comparison that is. They were 27th in offense and 18th on defense. I'm looking at their team stats and they had some decent vets? We're starting a bunch of n00bs? The only good young NBA team this year is Utah and maybe Denver?
Didn't really come here from the Walton-Stevens comps but I guess I'm here for it. Stevens might have been better? He also was a good college coach. Luke coached a half a season with the Warriors, and it was his second season as an NBA coach. I've googled the Celtics a disgusting number of times to make this post.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Yong wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Of course Brad Stevens is better than a rookie coach right now. I'm trying to deconstruct what Luke has actually done this season, forget about Boston |
Brad Stevens as a rookie was way better than Luke is today ... |
The Celtics first season of their rebuild ended with a 25-57 record |
IIRC, while that is true, they didn't really have any lottery picks that year.
The first time they got a pick of any relevance was the following year when they drafted Marcus Smart. They won 40 games that season. |
The improvement of the Celtics had nothing to do with Marcus Smart or lottery talent. Boston was 20-32 on February 19, 2015. That was the day they traded for Isaiah Thomas. They finished the season 40-42. They went 20-8 after his acquisition. So let's at least have some context, yeah? |
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lakersfan8
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I believe Luke is experimenting a small ball lineup with Nance playing the C position. It is clearly not working very well as he is undersized. This actually makes Black very valuable to this team. |
Zubac and Black picked up fouls super quick though, right? Also Randle-Nance had some weirdly good moments to start the season? Sorry I'm really just trying to piece things together. |
I didn't pay attention to the bench but was Moz there or is he injured？Based on my memory, Randle and Nance did play together at the beginning of the season, they had problem facing traditional big centers, especially Randle. |
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justsomelakerfan
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I believe Luke is experimenting a small ball lineup with Nance playing the C position. It is clearly not working very well as he is undersized. This actually makes Black very valuable to this team. |
Zubac and Black picked up fouls super quick though, right? Also Randle-Nance had some weirdly good moments to start the season? Sorry I'm really just trying to piece things together. |
I didn't pay attention to the bench but was Moz there or is he injured？Based on my memory, Randle and Nance did play together at the beginning of the season, they had problem facing traditional big centers, especially Randle. |
Moz was there and I don't think he played. Maybe he should have?
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| AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Yong wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Of course Brad Stevens is better than a rookie coach right now. I'm trying to deconstruct what Luke has actually done this season, forget about Boston |
Brad Stevens as a rookie was way better than Luke is today ... |
The Celtics first season of their rebuild ended with a 25-57 record |
IIRC, while that is true, they didn't really have any lottery picks that year.
The first time they got a pick of any relevance was the following year when they drafted Marcus Smart. They won 40 games that season. |
The improvement of the Celtics had nothing to do with Marcus Smart or lottery talent. Boston was 20-32 on February 19, 2015. That was the day they traded for Isaiah Thomas. They finished the season 40-42. They went 20-8 after his acquisition. So let's at least have some context, yeah? |
Well, I never said, nor would I imply, that it was Marcus Smart that caused the improvement. My.point was that Brad's rookie year is not comparable to Luke's since Brad didn't have any high picks to work with while Luke does. And the first time Brad got a high pick was the season in which he won 40 games. |
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justsomelakerfan
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| AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Yong wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Of course Brad Stevens is better than a rookie coach right now. I'm trying to deconstruct what Luke has actually done this season, forget about Boston |
Brad Stevens as a rookie was way better than Luke is today ... |
The Celtics first season of their rebuild ended with a 25-57 record |
IIRC, while that is true, they didn't really have any lottery picks that year.
The first time they got a pick of any relevance was the following year when they drafted Marcus Smart. They won 40 games that season. |
The improvement of the Celtics had nothing to do with Marcus Smart or lottery talent. Boston was 20-32 on February 19, 2015. That was the day they traded for Isaiah Thomas. They finished the season 40-42. They went 20-8 after his acquisition. So let's at least have some context, yeah? |
Oh dang I totally forgot about that. I guess that 13-14 team was better on defense than our current team, but they had less young players and generally better personnel to play good defense.
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