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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:33 pm    Post subject:

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I'd argue the lineups are questionable because of the FO's decision to shut down Moz, Deng and to trade Lou. I mean, when Nick is out like he was tonight, do you really have any other choice but to go with Clarkson/Ennis/Brewer/Nwaba/Nance in stretches? Literally only two players on our team can shoot and one of them was out tonight. And also he's still technically a very young coach. I'd like to see him turn over his roster (Shaw, Madsen)


They've been... unique, all season. And yet, the team was still competing more or less every night and was more on pace to win 27-30 games before the All Star break. And now it's Ennis Season. So now we're adding worse players to whatever he does.

i've got my complaints for sure, but I'm going to see the forest from the trees instead of making significant judgment calls on his career after two season-worst games in a row.

Even before we overhauled our roster, I'd argue he was limited in terms of the lineups we could produce. Deng, being the perfect example of this. He was able to have a decent month for his standards, in December, when Larry was injured because he saw more minutes at the 4, where he should be playing. With everyone healthy however, there's too big of a logjam development wise to play him at the 4, even if right now he's better than Randle/Nance at that position. This isn't to say that I'm not all hum ho about Luke either though. I definitely think he has some issues (defense, leaving guys in too long, Russell benching), but I'm not completely unsatisfied with him either.


Add keeping everyone equally accountable and I'm in your boat
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:41 pm    Post subject:

I am not big on Luke's coaching job this season.

The buddy buddy thing with the players is great, but not if you can't also get some defensive effort out of them.

The jury is still out on Luke's future as a NBA Head Coach quite honestly. That said, the Lakers roster was a tough deal to win a hand with.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:08 pm    Post subject:

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Luke sucks. There's very little to like this year with him. We need to get a real coach. No time for internships.


come on dude


What exactly is he doing really well in? Anything?

We play worse defense than last year even with a hobbling Kobe who just didnt play any and a Hibbert who spent most of his time laying on the floor.

No one is really excelling offensively. His lineups are questionable. The timing on his substiutions is suspect. The players he subs in and out are crap.

He forgets about players. Early in the year he forgot about the guards. They'd sit for extended stretches. Now he is forgetting about Zubac. He plays Clarkson on PG13 and Randle at center for extended time.

He complains on every call even legitimate ones.

He's just not the young prodigy I was hoping for. We cannot afford to run a paid internship program. We need some results.


Yeah I think it has been kind of unfortunate for him that for the first 15-20 games, everyone played the best ball of their life simultaneously and it made them look like they were further along than they were. It makes it more glaringly obvious that they don't look like they have progressed as the season has went along.

They've tried to switch everything all year long as it just isn't getting better. Without big roster changes, this team is just not going to play acceptable defense with that strategy. They also play selfishly on offense and that probably also needs big roster changes to fix.

I don't know if maybe Luke is one of those coaches that has his own style and needs a whole team built for him rather than a coach who just maximizes whatever roster he has.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:08 pm    Post subject:

He was too attached to the "bench unit."
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:40 pm    Post subject:

Treble Clef wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
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Luke sucks. There's very little to like this year with him. We need to get a real coach. No time for internships.


come on dude


What exactly is he doing really well in? Anything?

We play worse defense than last year even with a hobbling Kobe who just didnt play any and a Hibbert who spent most of his time laying on the floor.

No one is really excelling offensively. His lineups are questionable. The timing on his substiutions is suspect. The players he subs in and out are crap.

He forgets about players. Early in the year he forgot about the guards. They'd sit for extended stretches. Now he is forgetting about Zubac. He plays Clarkson on PG13 and Randle at center for extended time.

He complains on every call even legitimate ones.

He's just not the young prodigy I was hoping for. We cannot afford to run a paid internship program. We need some results.


Yeah I think it has been kind of unfortunate for him that for the first 15-20 games, everyone played the best ball of their life simultaneously and it made them look like they were further along than they were. It makes it more glaringly obvious that they don't look like they have progressed as the season has went along.

They've tried to switch everything all year long as it just isn't getting better. Without big roster changes, this team is just not going to play acceptable defense with that strategy. They also play selfishly on offense and that probably also needs big roster changes to fix.

I don't know if maybe Luke is one of those coaches that has his own style and needs a whole team built for him rather than a coach who just maximizes whatever roster he has.


Thats a point I missed too. The team has steadily gotten worse as the season has gone on. Maybe it was like the Bickerstaff thing when the players were just freed from the grip of the.previous regime and thats why we played well early.

If Luke were fired, I.doubt teams would be lining up to sign him. I think Luke gets one more year to show some.semblance of being an actual coach. Obviously I want him to succeed but goodness he is terrible!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:12 pm    Post subject:

ringfinger wrote:
Treble Clef wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
justsomelakerfan wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
Luke sucks. There's very little to like this year with him. We need to get a real coach. No time for internships.


come on dude


What exactly is he doing really well in? Anything?

We play worse defense than last year even with a hobbling Kobe who just didnt play any and a Hibbert who spent most of his time laying on the floor.

No one is really excelling offensively. His lineups are questionable. The timing on his substiutions is suspect. The players he subs in and out are crap.

He forgets about players. Early in the year he forgot about the guards. They'd sit for extended stretches. Now he is forgetting about Zubac. He plays Clarkson on PG13 and Randle at center for extended time.

He complains on every call even legitimate ones.

He's just not the young prodigy I was hoping for. We cannot afford to run a paid internship program. We need some results.


Yeah I think it has been kind of unfortunate for him that for the first 15-20 games, everyone played the best ball of their life simultaneously and it made them look like they were further along than they were. It makes it more glaringly obvious that they don't look like they have progressed as the season has went along.

They've tried to switch everything all year long as it just isn't getting better. Without big roster changes, this team is just not going to play acceptable defense with that strategy. They also play selfishly on offense and that probably also needs big roster changes to fix.

I don't know if maybe Luke is one of those coaches that has his own style and needs a whole team built for him rather than a coach who just maximizes whatever roster he has.


Thats a point I missed too. The team has steadily gotten worse as the season has gone on. Maybe it was like the Bickerstaff thing when the players were just freed from the grip of the.previous regime and thats why we played well early.

If Luke were fired, I.doubt teams would be lining up to sign him. I think Luke gets one more year to show some.semblance of being an actual coach. Obviously I want him to succeed but goodness he is terrible!
After November, we had like 2 weeks in January where the team was trying to win and everyone was healthy. That's it.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:22 pm    Post subject:

Great to see that he gave our young players lots of minutes. I have feeling he is preparing them for next season and heavy minutes. That's great.

One thing I am not happy is the fact that they cannot show one single good defensive game. I know we are the worst defensive team in the league. But you know just one game for them to try to play some D. I am not asking for Detroit Pistons type of defense, just some effort on that side of the court.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:18 am    Post subject:

Luke Walton commits to D’Angelo Russell, Jordan Clarkson backcourt ‘going forward’
This is what we should want to hear.

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According to Luke Walton, fans can look forward to watching those two try to replicate Sunday night’s effort until further notice. He didn’t expand on what might’ve taken so long.

“We’ll continue to try to that lineup going forward,” Walton said to the OC Register’s Mark Medina and others after the game., “and see if we can make that chemistry between the two a normal thing.”


http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2017/3/20/14979626/la-lakers-news-luke-walton-commits-to-dangelo-russell-jordan-clarkson-backcourt-starters
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:16 am    Post subject:

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Great to see that he gave our young players lots of minutes. I have feeling he is preparing them for next season and heavy minutes. That's great.

One thing I am not happy is the fact that they cannot show one single good defensive game. I know we are the worst defensive team in the league. But you know just one game for them to try to play some D. I am not asking for Detroit Pistons type of defense, just some effort on that side of the court.


We are tanking.

See the first 20 games of the season for good defense from the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:15 am    Post subject:

I've been semi disappointed in Luke too....He is reminding me of Phil in a way he is trying to make us something our roster is not. I like that he is building a culture...but I think he could play to our strengths more than he does. This small ball thing is a disaster. He seems to commit to it because he wants to switch everything, but this team isn't effective at that. They need to trap and throw some gimmicks in there every now and then.

I hated seeing Kyrie just toy with Randle for several straight possessions. Even the best defender has a tough time with Kyrie, so why not just get the ball out of his hands...trap, double...something.

And why don't our players run back on Defense, their balance is off more than it should be where our pg is under the basket, and nobody covers the leakers.

Lastly, he hasn't shown as a master of momentum. He does this Byron Robosub thing that pisses me off. Zubac has shown to be a useful player who brings size...when we keep getting outrebounded...maybe you put someone in who can clear some space.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:55 am    Post subject:

^ The same thing happened at the end of the Charlotte game with Kemba. That time he put Nance on the floor but they still ran it to exploit Randle on the switches (IIRC, one play Kemba got Nance on the switch and then pulled it back so he could run the same play with Randle's man). I really hope we can chalk this up to "development" (tanking), and letting the guys gain experience. If he's really this inert at the end of games we're in trouble.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:26 pm    Post subject:

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Luke repeated he's keeping same starting lineup tomorrow vs Clippers. But Luke splans to have different starting lineups before season ends


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:29 pm    Post subject:

Personally, I think us starting the year by switching a lot, barely switching at all, and going back to switching again indicates that Luke is attempting to establish a defensive system through switching (the Charlotte and Cleveland games being examples). Even if Julius is getting burned by Kemba/Kyrie every time, Luke still wants him doing it to get reps.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:32 pm    Post subject:

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Luke repeated he's keeping same starting lineup tomorrow vs Clippers. But Luke splans to have different starting lineups before season ends


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Also I would be a hypocrite if I didn't say that I don't mind him trying to start Nance (with or without Randle). I guess I'm cool with whatever so long as DLO is starting
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:33 pm    Post subject:

The Logo wrote:
Personally, I think us starting the year by switching a lot, barely switching at all, and going back to switching again indicates that Luke is attempting to establish a defensive system through switching (the Charlotte and Cleveland games being examples). Even if Julius is getting burned by Kemba/Kyrie every time, Luke still wants him doing it to get reps.


It's sink or swim at this point. They gotta learn & we need to know if any of these guys can fit Luke's system. It should payoff in the long run.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject:

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Personally, I think us starting the year by switching a lot, barely switching at all, and going back to switching again indicates that Luke is attempting to establish a defensive system through switching (the Charlotte and Cleveland games being examples). Even if Julius is getting burned by Kemba/Kyrie every time, Luke still wants him doing it to get reps.


Your last point - whether we agree with his call on this or not, he has been consistent about saying that, putting guys in different roles to get reps to payoff in the long run. But if they're not getting better at it after a year...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:33 am    Post subject:

Walton coping with Lakers' losses

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Walton's transition is about as extreme as it gets: leaving one of the NBA's greatest-ever teams to coach for a franchise mired in its worst four-year stretch, one that currently owns the league's second-worst mark.

The Lakers have six losses by 35 or more points this season, the most such losses by a team in NBA history, according to Justin Kubatko at statmuse.com.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18916302/nba-luke-walton-high-low-smiling
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject:

So the article link says Luke Walton is "high..." smiling?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject:

https://twitter.com/markg_medina/status/844248215025147905

Do it Luke. You know you want to
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:10 am    Post subject:

Dlo/Clarkson/Ingram/Nance/Zub pls

Just hope that doesn't kill Jules. Though Dlo rebounded well vs. the Bucks before getting ejected after pouting for 2 straight. If Randle handled it similarly not the end of the world
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:19 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
So the article link says Luke Walton is "high..." smiling?


Walton Toking with Lakers' Losses
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:56 pm    Post subject:

hey Luke what you doing breh
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:56 pm    Post subject:

*faint rumbling heard in the distance*
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:30 pm    Post subject:

Here's what gets me. I'm not particularly mad with evaluating the players like he has been towards the end of the season, if he's really considering this year a wash and they're looking at roles to consider for next season. OK. And he has the freedom to do that amidst a tanking season, sure. I'm pretty over it, I guess.

But then don't get all high and mighty and bench the young guys for not coming out with full effort to win a game... Because you're not exactly putting in a full effort to win the game either, bro.

So chew them out for effort at half time, but still send the young guys out in the second half and give them burn. Or don't question them in the media postgame, which I'm wondering if he'll do or not.

It comes across as a little hypocritical to me, a simple fan, but I'm not in the locker room.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:30 pm    Post subject:

We need a defensive assistant for Luke, clearly.
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