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| Jim Buss will always get blamed. I could see some fans turn on Mitch as well if he strikes out again in FA. |
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K28
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| I don't blame Byron...he did his job. |
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deal
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| Dave20 wrote: | | Jim Buss will always get blamed. I could see some fans turn on Mitch as well if he strikes out again in FA. |
Yeah, I agree !
However, Jim & Mitch have got some serious future talent
on the bench right now. Patience has never been a strength
with the LA crowd but there some good pieces there. Obviously,
not for a guy like BS who bashes his players in the press and does
not teach...
I would also not be surprised if we traded a couple of players to get
a more developed solid player in here...
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laker4life
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Jim will continue to be the scape goat.
Mitch will start getting some pressure. |
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Worthy42
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| Probably Ryan Kelly. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| Byron was not the scapegoat. Byron was th cause of most our on court problems. |
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laker4life
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| deal wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Jim Buss will always get blamed. I could see some fans turn on Mitch as well if he strikes out again in FA. |
Yeah, I agree !
However, Jim & Mitch has got some serious future talent
on the bench right now. Patience has never been a strength
with the LA crowd but there some good pieces there. Obviously,
not for a guy like BS who bashes his players in the press and does
not teach...
I would also not be surprised if we traded a couple of players to get
a more developed solid player in here... |
Everyone wants to say that we have future talent now.
I am not ready to proclaim these guys the next "all stars" or even "super star' yet.
These players are NBA caliber ball players but you have to pretty special to be regarded as a "super star" and just even an "all star".
The key is consistency.
We have the second worse record for a reason. |
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Byron wasn't a scapegoat because we were losing. Everyone knows we're rebuilding. Everyone expects losses.
It's the WAY that we lost. It's the lack of coherency in his coaching. It's the ineptitude that was on display with no noticeable improvements happening.
It's his talent of being able to take talented players and make them play worse than they should, and destroy team chemistry. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| Reflexx wrote: | Byron wasn't a scapegoat because we were losing. Everyone knows we're rebuilding. Everyone expects losses.
It's the WAY that we lost. It's the lack of coherency in his coaching. It's the ineptitude that was on display with no noticeable improvements happening.
It's his talent of being able to take talented players and make them play worse than they should, and destroy team chemistry. |
this. |
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Vin
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| Kobe's gone too, that's two scapegoats gone. |
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I Love LA
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| The goal is to not need one. |
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KindCrippler2000
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| Reflexx wrote: | Byron wasn't a scapegoat because we were losing. Everyone knows we're rebuilding. Everyone expects losses.
It's the WAY that we lost. It's the lack of coherency in his coaching. It's the ineptitude that was on display with no noticeable improvements happening.
It's his talent of being able to take talented players and make them play worse than they should, and destroy team chemistry. |
Yup. He wasn't just losing. He destroyed any semblance of continuity and progression our players had throughout the season. Tarik Black plays well one game? I'm going to DNP him the next three games. Anthony Brown gets called up from the d-league? Better start him against Kevin Durant. Sacre is outplaying Hibbert? Better bench him the rest of the game. #ByronLogic
It's also fairly clear his players quit on him 3/4th of the way through the season. They just stopped caring because every game played out the same way. He got Mike Brown'd. |
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LoyalLakerfan44
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| Reflexx wrote: | Byron wasn't a scapegoat because we were losing. Everyone knows we're rebuilding. Everyone expects losses.
It's the WAY that we lost. It's the lack of coherency in his coaching. It's the ineptitude that was on display with no noticeable improvements happening.
It's his talent of being able to take talented players and make them play worse than they should, and destroy team chemistry. |
Byron was no different than any coach with a bad team full of untested rookies, having to cater to a broken down star. Look at other teams in similar situations , the Sixers as an example and coach Brett Brown. You guys have no idea what it is to coach and particularly players that have never seen NBA action. At the same time manage the minutes of a broken down Kobe and make the new and the old work. Almost impossible to succeed in that situation, and the only mistake Scott made was to take that coaching position. He loved the Lakers so much that he thought he could turn an almost impossible situation into a winner. If the Lakers FO continues to add trash low tier FA's and miss on top FA I don't care what coach you put, the bottom line is that they're going to be trash. At that point the new group of 13 yr old DLO fan boys at LG will bring their out pitch forks once again. |
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| The answer is Jim, of course. He's already the scapegoat again, check twitter. As soon as things turn south for the Lakers on his watch, fans will turn to him no doubt. Hopefully it wont come to that |
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tox
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| LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | | Reflexx wrote: | Byron wasn't a scapegoat because we were losing. Everyone knows we're rebuilding. Everyone expects losses.
It's the WAY that we lost. It's the lack of coherency in his coaching. It's the ineptitude that was on display with no noticeable improvements happening.
It's his talent of being able to take talented players and make them play worse than they should, and destroy team chemistry. |
Byron was no different than any coach with a bad team full of untested rookies, having to cater to a broken down star. Look at other teams in similar situations , the Sixers as an example and coach Brett Brown. You guys have no idea what it is to coach and particularly players that have never seen NBA action. At the same time manage the minutes of a broken down Kobe and make the new and the old work. Almost impossible to succeed in that situation, and the only mistake Scott made was to take that coaching position. He loved the Lakers so much that he thought he could turn an almost impossible situation into a winner. If the Lakers FO continues to add trash low tier FA's and miss on top FA I don't care what coach you put, the bottom line is that they're going to be trash. At that point the new group of 13 yr old DLO fan boys at LG will bring their out pitch forks once again. |
These Lakers were way, way, way more talented than the 76ers.
Brown had the 76ers playing much harder than the Lakers (well, besides Oak off-ball  ). The profile of shot distributions is closer to the top offenses than the Lakers' --- they just didn't have the talent to win.
Anyways, if you thought this roster is a 17-win roster (remember, the '14-'15 6ers won 18 games), then that's your prerogative. For me it's ridiculous to see this roster and not win at least 23-24, and that's factoring in the KFT. Still think this roster is closer to 26-28. |
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KindCrippler2000
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| LoyalLakerfan44 wrote: | | Reflexx wrote: | Byron wasn't a scapegoat because we were losing. Everyone knows we're rebuilding. Everyone expects losses.
It's the WAY that we lost. It's the lack of coherency in his coaching. It's the ineptitude that was on display with no noticeable improvements happening.
It's his talent of being able to take talented players and make them play worse than they should, and destroy team chemistry. |
Byron was no different than any coach with a bad team full of untested rookies, having to cater to a broken down star. Look at other teams in similar situations , the Sixers as an example and coach Brett Brown. You guys have no idea what it is to coach and particularly players that have never seen NBA action. At the same time manage the minutes of a broken down Kobe and make the new and the old work. Almost impossible to succeed in that situation, and the only mistake Scott made was to take that coaching position. He loved the Lakers so much that he thought he could turn an almost impossible situation into a winner. If the Lakers FO continues to add trash low tier FA's and miss on top FA I don't care what coach you put, the bottom line is that they're going to be trash. At that point the new group of 13 yr old DLO fan boys at LG will bring their out pitch forks once again. |
Don MacLean would disagree. |
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| RJBaca wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Why don't we just get a goat and call it "scapegoat?" |
That's perfect the Lakers need a mascot!! |
or name the goat - byron |
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| laker4life wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Jim Buss will always get blamed. I could see some fans turn on Mitch as well if he strikes out again in FA. |
Yeah, I agree !
However, Jim & Mitch has got some serious future talent
on the bench right now. Patience has never been a strength
with the LA crowd but there some good pieces there. Obviously,
not for a guy like BS who bashes his players in the press and does
not teach...
I would also not be surprised if we traded a couple of players to get
a more developed solid player in here... |
Everyone wants to say that we have future talent now.
I am not ready to proclaim these guys the next "all stars" or even "super star' yet.
These players are NBA caliber ball players but you have to pretty special to be regarded as a "super star" and just even an "all star".
The key is consistency.
We have the second worse record for a reason. |
When the Sonics drafted Durant, they were (bleep). When G state drafted Curry and Thompson, also (bleep).
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| Dlo/jc |
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Dlo/Randle.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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you mean scrapegoat obv
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| laker4life wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Jim Buss will always get blamed. I could see some fans turn on Mitch as well if he strikes out again in FA. |
Yeah, I agree !
However, Jim & Mitch has got some serious future talent
on the bench right now. Patience has never been a strength
with the LA crowd but there some good pieces there. Obviously,
not for a guy like BS who bashes his players in the press and does
not teach...
I would also not be surprised if we traded a couple of players to get
a more developed solid player in here... |
Everyone wants to say that we have future talent now.
I am not ready to proclaim these guys the next "all stars" or even "super star' yet.
These players are NBA caliber ball players but you have to pretty special to be regarded as a "super star" and just even an "all star".
The key is consistency.
We have the second worse record for a reason. |
Agreed. I was careful not to tag line any current player
as a future star or much less superstar.
But there is some young talent that could play a role in LA
Or in a possible trade if that had a nice return.
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The next coach, whoever it is.
Some of the guys posting here think this is college basketball where the coach recruits the players and runs the whole program apparently.
So tired of hearing the coaching complaints when you have clowns not even playing defense at all and competing at a very weak level.
First thing the Lakers need is some guys who truly want to win and will do what is necessary to do so.
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I think you mean who will be the next GOAT
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | laker4life wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Dave20 wrote: | | Jim Buss will always get blamed. I could see some fans turn on Mitch as well if he strikes out again in FA. |
Yeah, I agree !
However, Jim & Mitch has got some serious future talent
on the bench right now. Patience has never been a strength
with the LA crowd but there some good pieces there. Obviously,
not for a guy like BS who bashes his players in the press and does
not teach...
I would also not be surprised if we traded a couple of players to get
a more developed solid player in here... |
Everyone wants to say that we have future talent now.
I am not ready to proclaim these guys the next "all stars" or even "super star' yet.
These players are NBA caliber ball players but you have to pretty special to be regarded as a "super star" and just even an "all star".
The key is consistency.
We have the second worse record for a reason. |
When the Sonics drafted Durant, they were (bleep). When G state drafted Curry and Thompson, also (bleep). |
Like I said, I am not ready to proclaim these players equal to a Durant, Curry or even Thompson.
The key is consistency.
After one year, you simply do not know or can predict. |
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