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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 7:31 am Post subject: |
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I can see DLO and Randle operating in those same spots as Luke. _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:13 am Post subject: |
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I'm trying to demonstrate how different the types of shots guys get in this type of offense. Below is a comparison from 2013-14 to 2014-15, about how often players took a shot with 3+ dribbles.
This should make things easier for Russell & Clarkson this year. |
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DancingBarry Editor-in-Chief
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:20 am Post subject: |
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GT, can you post our guys numbers from last season? |
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999 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:23 am Post subject: |
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DancingBarry wrote: | GT, can you post our guys numbers from last season? |
Do we really want to see that. It might cause some guys to go into severe depression |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:49 am Post subject: |
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999 wrote: | DancingBarry wrote: | GT, can you post our guys numbers from last season? |
Do we really want to see that. It might cause some guys to go into severe depression |
Here it is, for the guys who handled the ball on the perimeter. Brutal.
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City_Dawg Retired Number
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Jesus Christ. _________________ *sighs*
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DancingBarry Editor-in-Chief
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 11:21 am Post subject: |
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The comparison of Randle to Green...28.3 to 5.3. Wonder how much that one changes. We won't straight iso and pound the ball as much. But if Randle can develop his jumper that will certainly come down some. If not, I think Luke will use him as a passer a lot more, probably also slipping screens for quick scores on some of their sets that allow for that. And of course pushing the ball up of boards. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Wonder what Julius's numbers are not including putbacks/ off offensive boards. Probably closer to 50%? |
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fiendishoc Star Player
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Good stuff. |
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panamaniac Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Damn, just exposes the ineptitude of Byron's offense. |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Hate to ask, but do you have their 2015-2016 #s?
Just want to see if there is any difference for the season when Luke coached them. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 8:53 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: |
Hate to ask, but do you have their 2015-2016 #s?
Just want to see if there is any difference for the season when Luke coached them. |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 8:59 am Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | Wonder what Julius's numbers are not including putbacks/ off offensive boards. Probably closer to 50%? |
Randle took 99 shots off of putbacks this year. If you assume that none of them involved 3 dribbles or more, he'd be up to 32.1%. |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 9:03 am Post subject: |
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DancingBarry wrote: | The comparison of Randle to Green...28.3 to 5.3. Wonder how much that one changes. We won't straight iso and pound the ball as much. But if Randle can develop his jumper that will certainly come down some. If not, I think Luke will use him as a passer a lot more, probably also slipping screens for quick scores on some of their sets that allow for that. And of course pushing the ball up of boards. |
To be fair, that was Draymond last year, as I was trying to demonstrate the difference between Jackson's offense and Kerr's. This year, with increased ball handling responsibility, Green is up to 13.9%. Still well below Randle of course. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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I'll expand
These were the most I'd find on the subject of touches and isolations. I'll bold our big 3.
Touches:
D'Angelo Russell 65.6
Jordan Clarkson 58.3
Julius Randle 57.1
Kobe Bryant 46.2
Lou Williams 42.4
Time of Possession:
D'Angelo Russell 4.9
Jordan Clarkson 3.9
Marcelo Huertas 2.8
Kobe Bryant 2.6
Lou Williams 2.5
Julius Randle 2.1
Avg Sec Per Touch:
D'Angelo Russell 4.50
Marcelo Huertas 4.49
Jordan Clarkson 3.97
Lou Williams 3.48
Kobe Bryant 3.35
Julius Randle 2.21
Avg Dribble Per Touch:
Marcelo Huertas 4.38
D'Angelo Russell 4.09
Jordan Clarkson 3.27
Lou Williams 2.81
Kobe Bryant 2.19
Nick Young 1.35
Julius Randle 1.20
Usage Rate:
Kobe Bryant 32.2%
D'Angelo Russell 24%
Jordan Clarkson 22.8%
Lou Williams 22.7%
Julius Randle 21.2%
Turnover Per Individual Possession:
Marcelo Huertas 24.8%
D'Angelo Russell 15.9%
Tarik Black 15.1%
Roy Hibbert 13.8%
Julius Randle 13.5%
Jordan Clarkson 10.2%
Kobe Bryant 9.4%
Versatility Index(Measure's a Player's Ability to Produce in Points/Rebounds/Assists):
Julius Randle 8.4
Kobe Bryant 8
D'Angelo Russell 7.5
Marcelo Huertas 7.2
Jordan Clarkson 6.6
Brandon Bass 6.4
Lou Williams 6.4
Now here's where you find Julius high
Isolation Play Responsibility:
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Julius Randle
3. Jordan Clarkson
4. Lou Williams
5. D'Angelo Russell
Isolation Plays Called for Player:(Isolation Set Play called for player):
1. Julius Randle
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Metta World Peace
4. Jordan Clarkson
5. Lou Williams
6. Nick Young
7. Ryan Kelly
8. Brandon Bass
9. D'Angelo Russell
10. Larry Nance Jr.
11. Marcelo Huertas
Isolation FG%:
1. Larry Nance Jr. 50%
2. Marcelo Huertas 44%
3. D'Angelo Russell 43.9%
4. Ryan Kelly 40%
5. Lou Williams 39%
6. Julius Randle 37%
7. Nick Young 30.4%
8. Jordan Clarkson 27.8%
9. Kobe Bryant 26%
Scoring Frequency(in Isolation):
1. Lou Williams 52.7%
2. Marcelo Huertas 50%
3. Larry Nance Jr 42.9%
4. D'Angelo Russell 42.5%
5. Ryan Kelly 38.5%
6. Julius Randle 36.8%
7. Nick Young 36.7%
8. Kobe Bryant 33.3%
9. Jordan Clarkson 28.8%
Now to break down what kind of iso's were called for these guys. As "Spot ups" and "Drives" and such are separate forms of iso
As Ball Handler:
1. Marcelo Huertas 48.4%
2. Lou Williams 43.7%
3. D'Angelo Russell 38.3%
4. Jordan Clarkson 36.0%
5. Kobe Bryant 21.0%
6. Nick Young 16.6%
7. Metta World Peace 10%
8. Anthony Brown 6.7%
9. Julius Randle 2.2%
Off the Post Up:
1. Roy Hibbert 29.3%
2. Robert Sacre 17.9%
3. Metta World Peace 17.4%
4. Kobe Bryant 13.6%
5. Julius Randle 11.9%
6. Brandon Bass 11.4%
7. Tarik Black 10.1%
8. Ryan Kelly 9.3%
9. D'Angelo Russell 6.1%
10. Jordan Clarkson 0.8%
Off Drives:
1. Jordan Clarkson 5.9
2. Lou Williams 4.4
3. Julius Randle 4.1
4. D'Angelo Russell 3.6
5. Kobe Bryant 3.2
Points Off those Drives:
1. Jordan Clarkson 4.3
2. Julius Randle 2.8
3. Lou Williams 2.7
4. Kobe Bryant 2.3
5. D'Angelo Russell 2.3
Off Pull Ups: (Any jump shot outside 10 feet where a player took 1 or more dribbles before shooting)
1. Kobe Bryant
2. D'Angelo Russell
3. Lou Williams
4. Jordan Clarkson
5. Nick Young
6. Marcelo Huertas
7. Julius Randle
Transition:
1. Anthony Brown 18.8%
2. D'Angelo Russell 15.8%
3. Julius Randle 15.8%
4. Jordan Clarkson 15.4%
Clutch Situation FG%:
1. Robert Sacre 100%
2. Brandon Bass 60%
3. Julius Randle 54.2%
4. Larry Nance Jr. 50%
5. D'Angelo Russell 47.6%
6. Jordan Clarkson 46.7%
7. Lou Williams 36.1%
8. Kobe Bryant 35.2%
http://www.nbastuffer.com/2015-2016_NBA_Regular_Season_Player_Stats.html
http://stats.nba.com
Enjoy. That should cover pretty much everything. What I take from it is that of our big three, D'Angelo Russell is the most efficient in the isolation, followed by Randle, followed by Clarkson. As well as the fact that Randle, Kobe and Metta got more isolation plays called for them by Byron Scott than D'Angelo Russell or Jordan Clarkson and that the amount of iso plays called for Russell out of a set was near the bottom of the team. Not surprising given that Scott didn't trust him. Aside from that, all of our players had their healthy dosage of isolations, but in terms of ball handling to hold and score in iso's, both Russell and Clarkson were near the top of the team, while Randle was near the bottom.
Nor did Randle hold the ball that long as he ranked the lowest of the 3 in how long he held the ball in isolations. Which means the majority of isolation plays ran for Randle, whom had many isolation plays run to him by Scott, were where he'd catch, survey and shoot.
Heck, even his catch, one dribble step back shot which seemed patented ranks the lowest of our big 3 of those whom isolated from mid on the dribble shoot. Which means, his was catch, triple threat, survey and shoot. He didn't dribble that often, nor even hold the ball that long in his iso's as he ranks the lowest of our big 3 in that as well. So the majority of his were to catch, triple threat and shoot. That we saw plenty of and they were the plays called for him, not ones he broke. It does show however that Kobe and Randle were the two Scott tasked the most with set isolation plays. The fact Metta World Peace is 3rd on that list however is as good a reason for Scott's firing as any other.
Not as game breaking as some people would want to make it sound when they bash Randle in iso. Which is a good thing.
Anyway, enjoy. Those should be all the numbers one could look for as far as how much everyone isolated on our team, regardless if it was called for them, set play, or otherwise. Enjoy.
Way too much for any team, which is why we ranked top of the league in isolations and bottom of the league in assists.
So the biggest hope is that Luke changes that with his offense the way it was changed in Golden State. And if anything, it should make everyone feel happy that Byron is no longer here to run his 'offense'. Keep in mind.. that the offense he was supposed to know was the Princeton.. an offense predicated on passing the ball, and this is how many isolations we were going on.....
Glad he(Scott)'s gone. |
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Great stuff, MJST. Thank you for taking the time to put that together. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | tox wrote: | Wonder what Julius's numbers are not including putbacks/ off offensive boards. Probably closer to 50%? |
Randle took 99 shots off of putbacks this year. If you assume that none of them involved 3 dribbles or more, he'd be up to 32.1%. | Wow, that number is smaller than I thought it'd be. He averaged 2.1 offensive rebounds; I'd have guess he attempted a putback after about 75% of them.
Thanks for the info |
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Sacre. |
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 2:07 am Post subject: |
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Randle needs the ball more! _________________ Kobe |
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 8:50 am Post subject: |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | Great stuff, MJST. Thank you for taking the time to put that together. |
Agreed.
To me it confirms what I've been saying about Julius when people were saying he's a ball stopper. They were calling lots of ISO plays for him. He's not an inherent ball stopper but one by design of the "offense"
I can't wait to see him in Luke's offense. Probably the best thing for him will be the fact that Luke will stress the fundamentals. Proper screen setting alone will give Ju more scoring opportunities |
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Chronicle wrote: | Randle needs the ball more! | Correction, Randle needs the ball more in the right spots. _________________ Music is my medicine |
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Vancouver Fan wrote: | Chronicle wrote: | Randle needs the ball more! | Correction, Randle needs the ball more in the right spots. |
The question is still: Where are those right spots?
It's up to Luke finding ways to better use Julius talent. |
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 11:59 am Post subject: |
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22 wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: | Great stuff, MJST. Thank you for taking the time to put that together. |
Agreed.
To me it confirms what I've been saying about Julius when people were saying he's a ball stopper. They were calling lots of ISO plays for him. He's not an inherent ball stopper but one by design of the "offense"
I can't wait to see him in Luke's offense. Probably the best thing for him will be the fact that Luke will stress the fundamentals. Proper screen setting alone will give Ju more scoring opportunities |
This data doesn't give you the information on how often an isolation is "called", necessarily. Randle was often stationed at the top of the key, and would choose to try to take his man 1-on-1. That's not necessarily a play call.
He'll benefit greatly from a couple of rules that I expect to be implemented:
1) Pass, shoot, or attack within 2 seconds of getting the ball.
2) If you don't have the ball, you're either setting a screen, or using one. |
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Crazy. The one that really stands out to me is Randle. Someone show him this stat ASAP. |
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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A golden state writer came out and said that with the Warriors still in the playoffs Luke might have some of his assistants take spots with other teams.
They were referring to Brian Shaw being on Luke's short list but Shaw might choose to jump back on board with Nate Mcmillan rather than waiting to see if Luke offers him and miss out on the opportunity.
They also said that they expect Chris Demarco to follow Luke to LA.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/thompson/2016/05/15/poaching-warriors-staff-might-luke-waltons-best-option-kara-lawson-warriors-bench/ _________________ Author of James Harden and the Strip Club
"The key to good decision making is not knowledge. It is understanding. We are swimming in the former. We are desperately lacking in the latter." - Malcom Gladwell |
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