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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | 10scott10 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Practice wrote: | | Quote: | Eric Pincus @EricPincus 10m10 minutes ago
Was able to confirm that @CaseyOwens71 - formerly head coach of @DFenders - was promoted to assistant coach & advance scout w/@Lakers |
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That's great news, I was hoping that would happen.
I just found out that he follows me (or at least the Laker Film Room account) on Twitter. |
"Today's film study, this clip I found on Youtube, I dunno, I was busy yesterday" 
Edit: who knows, maybe you'll get snapped up somewhere as a film coordinator for a real NBA team, GT |
Is Casey Owen a remnant from MDA era?
I don't know if my memory serves me right but I though it was Lewis... He isn't, at least, Byron Scott's hire, is he?
what I am saying is.. is he any good? |
I think he was hired independently of Byron/Mike, as the d-fenders weren't really seen as an extension of the Lakers during those years. Owens was likely hired by Joey Buss, who continues to impress and is on an upwards trajectory.
Here's what was said about him. Seems like the anti-Byron to me:
| Quote: | | Harrison Faigen @hmfaigen Was impressed with the locker room he built with the D-Fenders. All his players I've spoken with swear by him |
| Quote: | | @EricPincus just understands players...speaks to them as equals. Comes across on their side rather than adversarial |
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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | 10scott10 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Practice wrote: | | Quote: | Eric Pincus @EricPincus 10m10 minutes ago
Was able to confirm that @CaseyOwens71 - formerly head coach of @DFenders - was promoted to assistant coach & advance scout w/@Lakers |
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That's great news, I was hoping that would happen.
I just found out that he follows me (or at least the Laker Film Room account) on Twitter. |
"Today's film study, this clip I found on Youtube, I dunno, I was busy yesterday"
Edit: who knows, maybe you'll get snapped up somewhere as a film coordinator for a real NBA team, GT |
Is Casey Owen a remnant from MDA era?
I don't know if my memory serves me right but I though it was Lewis... He isn't, at least, Byron Scott's hire, is he?
what I am saying is.. is he any good? |
I think he was hired independently of Byron/Mike, as the d-fenders weren't really seen as an extension of the Lakers during those years. Owens was likely hired by Joey Buss, who continues to impress and is on an upwards trajectory.
Here's what was said about him. Seems like the anti-Byron to me:
| Quote: | | Harrison Faigen @hmfaigen Was impressed with the locker room he built with the D-Fenders. All his players I've spoken with swear by him |
| Quote: | | @EricPincus just understands players...speaks to them as equals. Comes across on their side rather than adversarial |
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So good to cut out the BS this year! |
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Casey Owens rocks. I remember reading great things about him during the D-fenders run this year. There's a few interviews with him on youtube, he sounds like a really solid addition. I was hoping they'd do this!
If there's one thing the Lakers really knocked out of the park this offseason it was the coaching staff! |
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| HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | | sometimes it feels like Mitch drafts guys because he sees them as future coaches, Madsen, Luke, I think he looked at Farmar like that, now Larry Nance fits that mold of future coach type... |
I doubt he drafts them specifically for being future coaches, but it's likely the kind of players he likes drafting are also good future coaching types. High-IQ, good communicators, good locker room presences, etc. |
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All those guys are late first/second round players. It is a solid strategy, go with the potential with higher picks and the more developed, solid and heady players later.
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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | 10scott10 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Practice wrote: | | Quote: | Eric Pincus @EricPincus 10m10 minutes ago
Was able to confirm that @CaseyOwens71 - formerly head coach of @DFenders - was promoted to assistant coach & advance scout w/@Lakers |
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That's great news, I was hoping that would happen.
I just found out that he follows me (or at least the Laker Film Room account) on Twitter. |
"Today's film study, this clip I found on Youtube, I dunno, I was busy yesterday"
Edit: who knows, maybe you'll get snapped up somewhere as a film coordinator for a real NBA team, GT |
Is Casey Owen a remnant from MDA era?
I don't know if my memory serves me right but I though it was Lewis... He isn't, at least, Byron Scott's hire, is he?
what I am saying is.. is he any good? |
I think he was hired independently of Byron/Mike, as the d-fenders weren't really seen as an extension of the Lakers during those years. Owens was likely hired by Joey Buss, who continues to impress and is on an upwards trajectory.
Here's what was said about him. Seems like the anti-Byron to me:
| Quote: | | Harrison Faigen @hmfaigen Was impressed with the locker room he built with the D-Fenders. All his players I've spoken with swear by him |
| Quote: | | @EricPincus just understands players...speaks to them as equals. Comes across on their side rather than adversarial |
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Joey is to the DFenders what Jeanie is to the Lakers. He handles the business and marketing and facilities side of things, but all of the drafting and coaching selection comes through ops.
FWIW, Owens was brought in as part of the Lakers modernization, along with the front office/scouting revamp, the development of the analytics team, and the drafting of guys to fit the new paradigm. Scott was a place holder (and an argument can be made, a supplier of high draft picks) until LA was ready to make its coaching move.
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There's nothing I've ever heard or read that would lead me to think that any of the Lakers' head coaches have the authority to pick who coaches the D-Fenders. If they did, there's no way Byron ever would've chosen a guy like Owens lol. Just no way.
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| Judah wrote: | | There's nothing I've ever heard or read that would lead me to think that any of the Lakers' head coaches have the authority to pick who coaches the D-Fenders. If they did, there's no way Byron ever would've chosen a guy like Owens lol. Just no way. |
It's not the head coach. It's Mitch and jim.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | | JJin77 wrote: | | 10scott10 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | Practice wrote: | | Quote: | Eric Pincus @EricPincus 10m10 minutes ago
Was able to confirm that @CaseyOwens71 - formerly head coach of @DFenders - was promoted to assistant coach & advance scout w/@Lakers |
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That's great news, I was hoping that would happen.
I just found out that he follows me (or at least the Laker Film Room account) on Twitter. |
"Today's film study, this clip I found on Youtube, I dunno, I was busy yesterday"
Edit: who knows, maybe you'll get snapped up somewhere as a film coordinator for a real NBA team, GT |
Is Casey Owen a remnant from MDA era?
I don't know if my memory serves me right but I though it was Lewis... He isn't, at least, Byron Scott's hire, is he?
what I am saying is.. is he any good? |
I think he was hired independently of Byron/Mike, as the d-fenders weren't really seen as an extension of the Lakers during those years. Owens was likely hired by Joey Buss, who continues to impress and is on an upwards trajectory.
Here's what was said about him. Seems like the anti-Byron to me:
| Quote: | | Harrison Faigen @hmfaigen Was impressed with the locker room he built with the D-Fenders. All his players I've spoken with swear by him |
| Quote: | | @EricPincus just understands players...speaks to them as equals. Comes across on their side rather than adversarial |
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Joey is to the DFenders what Jeanie is to the Lakers. He handles the business and marketing and facilities side of things, but all of the drafting and coaching selection comes through ops.
FWIW, Owens was brought in as part of the Lakers modernization, along with the front office/scouting revamp, the development of the analytics team, and the drafting of guys to fit the new paradigm. Scott was a place holder (and an argument can be made, a supplier of high draft picks) until LA was ready to make its coaching move. |
Joey's role for the d-fenders, as according to him:
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“I'm in charge of all things D-Fenders,” said Buss, president and chief executive officer of the Lakers' NBA Development League affiliate. “From ticket sales, to helping out with the draft ... [I] connect both business and basketball, and make decisions that reflect both priorities.” |
| Quote: | | The team is run by President and Chief Executive Officer Joey Buss, who is also part-owner of the Lakers. |
source
There was also a recent article that talked about his success running the d-fenders here.
It would appear he is responsible for all things d-fenders, including the marketing aspect. From my understanding, he was given autonomy to run them as well as make all the personnel decisions, though he tried his best to suit the team to Byron's needs back in 2014:
| Quote: | "Our goal is to have the new coach reflect Byron's philosophies in the game," said Buss. "But let's not be confused. Not only is our personnel different, for example we don't have Kobe [Bryant] . . . for us to say that we can run the exact same offense, I think that would be a little unrealistic."
"We want to implement the same philosophies and terminologies but then adapt it not only to our personnel but to also the D-League itself," said Buss.
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I expect this to change now that Luke is coaching. I think Jim and Mitch will take a more active approach to make the d-fenders a good bridge to the Lakers system, which wasn't the case last time. Ryan Kelly's GOAT performances in the d-league didn't really translate well to the NBA. |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | There's nothing I've ever heard or read that would lead me to think that any of the Lakers' head coaches have the authority to pick who coaches the D-Fenders. If they did, there's no way Byron ever would've chosen a guy like Owens lol. Just no way. |
It's not the head coach. It's Mitch and jim. |
Right. I said that because of JJin77's original question and the comments that followed:
"Is Casey Owen a remnant from MDA era?
I don't know if my memory serves me right but I though it was Lewis... He isn't, at least, Byron Scott's hire, is he?"
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243140/Coby-Karl-Hired-By-D-Fenders-As-Head-Coach
Youth movement at full speed. Coby Karl, age 33, is hired to replace Owens. Karl retired as a player last year and served as assistant coach in the Knicks' D-league team for one year. I wonder whether he is the first former D-league player to coach his former team.
I don't know about other teams, but the Lakers' promotion of the younger generation, such as Walton, West, Joey and Jesse Buss, and now Karl, is impressive. |
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L.A. D-Fenders Verified account
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LAD -> LAL offseason Call-Ups:
Casey Owens (Asst. Coach/Scout)
Nina Hsieh (Asst. Trainer)
Will Scott (Video Coor.)
Will Patterson (PR Coor.)
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A little strange that Keefe is only listed as a developmental coach. I thought his role was to be the defensive assistant. Only guys listed as assistants in the press release are Shaw, Mermuys, and Madsen. So who's the defensive assistant then? Madsen? lol.
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| LaxT wrote: | http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243140/Coby-Karl-Hired-By-D-Fenders-As-Head-Coach
Youth movement at full speed. Coby Karl, age 33, is hired to replace Owens. Karl retired as a player last year and served as assistant coach in the Knicks' D-league team for one year. I wonder whether he is the first former D-league player to coach his former team.
I don't know about other teams, but the Lakers' promotion of the younger generation, such as Walton, West, Joey and Jesse Buss, and now Karl, is impressive. |
What? Coby Karl is retired? 
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| Judah wrote: | | A little strange that Keefe is only listed as a developmental coach. I thought his role was to be the defensive assistant. Only guys listed as assistants in the press release are Shaw, Mermuys, and Madsen. So who's the defensive assistant then? Madsen? lol. |
Does "defensive assistant" have to be a real thing? Who was Phil's "defensive assistant" when he was coaching the Lakers to championships? I guess it may have been Cleamons or Hamblen, but I sure don't know.
A good coach should be able to coach both offense and defense. This team is not at the point where it needs specific defensive schemes. Just the fundamentals. |
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| City_Dawg wrote: | | LaxT wrote: | http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243140/Coby-Karl-Hired-By-D-Fenders-As-Head-Coach
Youth movement at full speed. Coby Karl, age 33, is hired to replace Owens. Karl retired as a player last year and served as assistant coach in the Knicks' D-league team for one year. I wonder whether he is the first former D-league player to coach his former team.
I don't know about other teams, but the Lakers' promotion of the younger generation, such as Walton, West, Joey and Jesse Buss, and now Karl, is impressive. |
What? Coby Karl is retired? |
Hopefully the Lakers tried to sign him as a player first. |
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| LuciusAllen wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | A little strange that Keefe is only listed as a developmental coach. I thought his role was to be the defensive assistant. Only guys listed as assistants in the press release are Shaw, Mermuys, and Madsen. So who's the defensive assistant then? Madsen? lol. |
Does "defensive assistant" have to be a real thing? Who was Phil's "defensive assistant" when he was coaching the Lakers to championships? I guess it may have been Cleamons or Hamblen, but I sure don't know.
A good coach should be able to coach both offense and defense. This team is not at the point where it needs specific defensive schemes. Just the fundamentals. |
lol.....
Who was the defensive assistant under Phil, you ask? Well, at least during the 08-09, it was Rambis. And once Rambis departed to become the head coach of the Timberwolves, it was the role that Chuck Person took up:
http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?id=5278158
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/10/sports/la-sp-lakers-20110111
Clearly, every head coach in the league will have some level of competence on both ends of the floor (except Byron who sucked at both). But most coaches are stronger in certain areas than they are in others. Why do you think coaching staffs exist, sir? To sit on the bench and look pretty? Every member of a coaching staff has a specific role, which is determined by whatever area they specialize in. Example: Ron Adams is the defensive coordinator for GS. Every team in the league has both an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator, unless the head coach chooses to personally fulfill one of those roles out of the two:
"Kupchak also noted that Walton does not plan to hire an offensive specialist as an assistant, viewing himself as the team's "primary offensive coach/coordinator" and will instead look to hire a coach specializing in the defensive side of the ball."
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2016/5/6/11612526/la-lakers-coaching-rumors-luke-walton-offensive-system
I don't even know how to respond to this asinine idea that the Lakers don't need defensive schemes because they only need to learn the "basics" lol. Umm....actually they need both. You do realize that they'll be trying to win games this year, right? Do you think that will happen if they go into games unprepared defensively against the team they're facing on a particular night? I mean really, are you from the Byron Scott school of thought and think you can replace the centrality of x's and o's with "man up" or something?
From a coaching standpoint, the NBA game is a chess match between coaches. You aren't winning jack if you're still learning how to play tick tack toe. Smh.
Every team in the league has schemes on both ends of the floor. Some good, some bad. But all teams have them. This is pretty basic stuff here. Where did you come from? The moon?
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| What role do you guys think Jud Buechler will have? I didn't find anything regarding his place in the organisation. Shooting coach? |
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| Judah wrote: | | LuciusAllen wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | A little strange that Keefe is only listed as a developmental coach. I thought his role was to be the defensive assistant. Only guys listed as assistants in the press release are Shaw, Mermuys, and Madsen. So who's the defensive assistant then? Madsen? lol. |
Does "defensive assistant" have to be a real thing? Who was Phil's "defensive assistant" when he was coaching the Lakers to championships? I guess it may have been Cleamons or Hamblen, but I sure don't know.
A good coach should be able to coach both offense and defense. This team is not at the point where it needs specific defensive schemes. Just the fundamentals. |
lol.....
Who was the defensive assistant under Phil, you ask? During the 08-09 and 09-10 seasons it was Kurt Rambis. And once Rambis departed to become the head coach of the Timberwolves, it was Chuck Person:
http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?id=5278158
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/10/sports/la-sp-lakers-20110111
Clearly, every head coach in the league will have some level of competence on both ends of the floor (except Byron who sucked at both). But most coaches are stronger in certain areas than they are in others. Why do you think coaching staffs exist, sir? To sit on the bench and look pretty? Every member of a coaching staff has a specific role, which is determined by whatever area they specialize in. Example: Ron Adams is the defensive coordinator for GS. Every team in the league has both an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator, unless the head coach chooses to personally fulfill one of those roles out of the two:
"Kupchak also noted that Walton does not plan to hire an offensive specialist as an assistant, viewing himself as the team's "primary offensive coach/coordinator" and will instead look to hire a coach specializing in the defensive side of the ball."
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2016/5/6/11612526/la-lakers-coaching-rumors-luke-walton-offensive-system
I don't even know how to respond to this asinine idea that the Lakers don't need defensive schemes because they only need to learn the "basics" lol. Umm....actually they need both. You do realize that they'll be trying to win games this year, right? Do you think that will happen if they go into games unprepared defensively against the team they're facing on a particular night? I mean really, are you from the Byron Scott school of thought and think you can replace the centrality of x's and o's with "man up" or something?
From a coaching standpoint, the NBA game is a chess match between coaches. You aren't winning jack if you're still learning how to play tick tack toe. Smh.
Every team in the league has schemes on both ends of the floor. Some good, some bad. But all teams have them. This is pretty basic stuff here. Where did you come from? The moon? |
Thanks for the kind words. Haven't been to the moon in a while. Anyway ... yes, I oversimplified my argument by saying they don't need "schemes." I just meant that many of our young players need to learn basic defensive principles. You got me. Never post after drinking two big martinis!
That article on Person was meant to emphasize his overall character as a coach. Yes he served as a defensive coordinator for Theus, but there was nothing in his playing career or as a beginning coach that indicated he was some sort of defensive guru. There's nothing that differentiates him from any of the Lakers assistants. There's no indication that any of them would not be capable of coaching defense well. Assuming they are as good as all the anecdotes make them out to be. |
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| LuciusAllen wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | LuciusAllen wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | A little strange that Keefe is only listed as a developmental coach. I thought his role was to be the defensive assistant. Only guys listed as assistants in the press release are Shaw, Mermuys, and Madsen. So who's the defensive assistant then? Madsen? lol. |
Does "defensive assistant" have to be a real thing? Who was Phil's "defensive assistant" when he was coaching the Lakers to championships? I guess it may have been Cleamons or Hamblen, but I sure don't know.
A good coach should be able to coach both offense and defense. This team is not at the point where it needs specific defensive schemes. Just the fundamentals. |
lol.....
Who was the defensive assistant under Phil, you ask? During the 08-09 and 09-10 seasons it was Kurt Rambis. And once Rambis departed to become the head coach of the Timberwolves, it was Chuck Person:
http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?id=5278158
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/10/sports/la-sp-lakers-20110111
Clearly, every head coach in the league will have some level of competence on both ends of the floor (except Byron who sucked at both). But most coaches are stronger in certain areas than they are in others. Why do you think coaching staffs exist, sir? To sit on the bench and look pretty? Every member of a coaching staff has a specific role, which is determined by whatever area they specialize in. Example: Ron Adams is the defensive coordinator for GS. Every team in the league has both an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator, unless the head coach chooses to personally fulfill one of those roles out of the two:
"Kupchak also noted that Walton does not plan to hire an offensive specialist as an assistant, viewing himself as the team's "primary offensive coach/coordinator" and will instead look to hire a coach specializing in the defensive side of the ball."
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2016/5/6/11612526/la-lakers-coaching-rumors-luke-walton-offensive-system
I don't even know how to respond to this asinine idea that the Lakers don't need defensive schemes because they only need to learn the "basics" lol. Umm....actually they need both. You do realize that they'll be trying to win games this year, right? Do you think that will happen if they go into games unprepared defensively against the team they're facing on a particular night? I mean really, are you from the Byron Scott school of thought and think you can replace the centrality of x's and o's with "man up" or something?
From a coaching standpoint, the NBA game is a chess match between coaches. You aren't winning jack if you're still learning how to play tick tack toe. Smh.
Every team in the league has schemes on both ends of the floor. Some good, some bad. But all teams have them. This is pretty basic stuff here. Where did you come from? The moon? |
Thanks for the kind words. Haven't been to the moon in a while. Anyway ... yes, I oversimplified my argument by saying they don't need "schemes." I just meant that many of our young players need to learn basic defensive principles. You got me. Never post after drinking two big martinis!
That article on Person was meant to emphasize his overall character as a coach. Yes he served as a defensive coordinator for Theus, but there was nothing in his playing career or as a beginning coach that indicated he was some sort of defensive guru. There's nothing that differentiates him from any of the Lakers assistants. There's no indication that any of them would not be capable of coaching defense well. Assuming they are as good as all the anecdotes make them out to be. |
I knew what you meant. I didn't challenge what you said because I didn't understand it. I challenged it because it boggled my mind that you actually make those arguments. For some reason you make the installation of defensive schemes and learning the basic fundamentals of defense itself mutually exclusive, and I have no idea why. I don't understand why you think one cancels out the other. It doesn't. We all understand that there are a lot of young players on the roster and that they have to learn fundamental things (on both sides of the ball btw). But that's irrelevant to having a defensive coordinator on the staff who designs the schemes for team defense.
But even aside from that, your argument wasn't just about the Lakers. You seemed to challenge the very idea of any team having coaches who specialize on one side of the ball because the head coach should just do it alone. Well, that's not the case. Again, there's no question that every coach will at least be competent at teaching/designing both, but that's the whole point. Being competent isn't the same thing as being a specialist. Is it somehow a knock against Kerr because he has Ron Adams serving on his staff as the defensive coordinator? No. It just means that he's willing to acknowledge the fact that he isn't a defensive specialist, and that it benefits the team so much more to have someone on his staff who is. If taken to it's logical conclusion, your argument is that assistant coaches are unnecessary.
You're making way too many assumptions. Assembling a coaching staff and assigning roles for every coach, according to what he specializes in, doesn't mean that they as individuals are completely incompetent in the other areas that they don't specialize in. You didn't even bother responding to the Kupchak quote where even he said that Luke would add a coach who specializes in defense. But according to you, that's a rather silly thing for Luke to do, apparently. You also ignored the LA Times article where Rambis is said to have been the defensive coordinator during the 08-09 season. Again, according to you, that sort of thing is unnecessary.
SN: I posted the wrong link about Persons by mistake. This is the article I intended to post:
http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?id=6192141
| Quote: | The new defense hasn't only highlighted Bynum's importance to the team, but its defined Person's contributions as well.
Person, a former assistant coach of Ron Artest's in Indiana and Sacramento, was brought in at the beginning of last season on an interim basis to help aid in Artest's adjustment period to L.A. Soon after he began working closely with Bynum and Bryant and by the time the playoffs rolled around last spring, he had been asked to stay on full-time and became comfortable enough with Jackson to share some of his defensive philosophies with the Hall of Fame coach.
"I gave Phil a copy of my defensive book strategies that I had, he read it, he liked it and it went from there," Person said.
The first iteration of the Lakers' new defense was actually deployed in the Finals against the Celtics.
"We knew we had to do something different against Ray Allen and Paul Pierce to get them slowed down in order to win that series," Person said.
The impact Person made on the Lakers last year resulted in a job offer from Nate McMillan to come to Portland and act as the Trail Blazers' defensive coordinator, but he opted to stay in L.A. and see what his system could do with the Lakers when implemented over the course of a full season.
"He took what Kurt [Rambis] had offered the team and kind of marshaled it from our group and extended it another step," said Jackson, referring to Rambis' responsibilities administering the team's defense as an assistant coach before taking a job as the head man in Minnesota before the start of the 2009-10 season.
In Jackson's "last stand" season, he even has relinquished practice time teaching his patented triangle offense so that Person could put his defensive system into place.
"We really kind of gave Chuck Person dedicated moments in practice to kind of really work on our defense," Jackson said. "He's been really good with the guys and handled it really well and we've taken extra time in practice defensively rather than doing as much offensive execution as we have in the past. It's taken awhile. It took us about a month to just adjust to what we were doing differently. We still have guys making mistakes -- that's going to happen for awhile -- but we're starting to understand it."
Person has used the practice time to not just preach the new defensive principles, but to get the players engaged and to take pride in making stops in difficult situations.
"He's instituted a couple new drills for us -- five against four, four against three -- to put the defense at a disadvantage so we scramble around and talk to each other," Bynum said. |
And on that note, I'm done. I think the article pretty much speaks for itself. But hey, keep living in this fantasy of an NBA world where offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators on coaching staffs apparently don't exist, even when they themselves and the head coaches plainly assert that they do.....lol  
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| LuciusAllen wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | A little strange that Keefe is only listed as a developmental coach. I thought his role was to be the defensive assistant. Only guys listed as assistants in the press release are Shaw, Mermuys, and Madsen. So who's the defensive assistant then? Madsen? lol. |
Does "defensive assistant" have to be a real thing? Who was Phil's "defensive assistant" when he was coaching the Lakers to championships? I guess it may have been Cleamons or Hamblen, but I sure don't know.
A good coach should be able to coach both offense and defense. This team is not at the point where it needs specific defensive schemes. Just the fundamentals. |
It's pretty rare for assistant coaches to specialize on one end or the other. I don't know why so many people are caught up in the idea of defensive assistants. Assistant coaches are there to help the head coach execute his vision and some times put in extra work with the players. But like you said, most coaches can coach both sides. |
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http://lakeshowlife.com/2016/08/20/lakers-early-western-conference-record-predictions/
this website predicts that we'll finish as 3rd worst team in the west. i think we have a chance to sneak into the playoffs. i do want us to net another top 3 pick. but i'm sick of all the tanking. we need some established allstars to be a perrenial playoff team. and we can only attract star FAs by making the playoffs this year. I want Dlo to have a breakout year. Ingram to have a 6th man kinda season if he's coming off the bench. OKC, Portland, and Mavs aren't that good. we have a chance at the 6-8 spot. When we play teams like OKC, we just need to shut down Westbrook by putting Deng/Ingram/Anthony Brown on him. Or make westbrook beat us by himself and shut down everybody else. It's not that hard to beat them. We're gonna be a team with great chemistry and teamwork. If we play hard, we can upset alot of teams. |
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Finalized list of coaching staff: https://twitter.com/SerenaWinters/status/766712672263909378?s=09
Head Coach: Luke Walton
Associate Head Coach: Brian Shaw
Assistant Coaches: Jesse Mermuys, Mark Madsen
Player Development Coaches: Jud Buechler (shooting), Theo Roberson, Brian Keefe
Advance Professional Scout / Assistant Coach: Casey Owens
Video coordinator: Will Scott (not affiliated in any way, shape or form with Byron Scott) |
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