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Shaolin's Finest Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Shaolin's Finest wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | Shaolin's Finest wrote: | Out of all the Warrior players, Speights is the one I would hope this team avoids. |
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I might be wrong in this assessment as I admit I haven't been keeping up with the NBA as much lately outside of the Lakers, but I remember when he was drafted the biggest knock against him was his defense and that he was lazy. I remember him being a chucker with the Sixers, and we already have enough of those on the roster. Looking at him statistically he doesn't seem to be the most efficient player either (43% FG) and he has never been known for his defense. Again, I am just going by what I've known him to be previously, so I may be unfairly biased, but I've just never been a fan of his. Are my preconceived notions about his game wrong? |
Speights is arguably a vast Improvement over any big man we have had in recent years.
Why wouldn't you want a guy with championship experience giving the other players some of that mojo? Speights is one way or another the vets Luke and Mitch were talking about when bringing in players who know what it takes to win. |
Good point, I should reassess my thoughts about him. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Klay Thompson _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Shaolin's Finest wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Shaolin's Finest wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | Shaolin's Finest wrote: | Out of all the Warrior players, Speights is the one I would hope this team avoids. |
Why? |
I might be wrong in this assessment as I admit I haven't been keeping up with the NBA as much lately outside of the Lakers, but I remember when he was drafted the biggest knock against him was his defense and that he was lazy. I remember him being a chucker with the Sixers, and we already have enough of those on the roster. Looking at him statistically he doesn't seem to be the most efficient player either (43% FG) and he has never been known for his defense. Again, I am just going by what I've known him to be previously, so I may be unfairly biased, but I've just never been a fan of his. Are my preconceived notions about his game wrong? |
Speights is arguably a vast Improvement over any big man we have had in recent years.
Why wouldn't you want a guy with championship experience giving the other players some of that mojo? Speights is one way or another the vets Luke and Mitch were talking about when bringing in players who know what it takes to win. |
Good point, I should reassess my thoughts about him. |
you should he's better then placeholders like Davis/Hill/Bass/Hibbert/Sacre
His winning experience will translate to the roster, that's why Im expecting Luke and Mitch to go after some of there role players. |
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styleripftw Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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We definitely need at least 1 player from the Warriors to assist Luke in teaching the young bucks the offense. |
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King Randle Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Sleights is gong to be 29 in August...no crazy 5 year $50 million deals. Pursue Whiteside or Horford with big money deals first. |
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lakerfanaticPT Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Barnes. They can't match a big offer as they have Curry, Thompson, and Green getting big bucks already. |
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CamReddish Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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I would see if we can get James Michael MacAdoo. Restricted I think, but I liked his game in limited playing time |
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dcastillo Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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lakerfanaticPT wrote: | Barnes. They can't match a big offer as they have Curry, Thompson, and Green getting big bucks already. |
Might have to over pay him around 22-25 a year but remember dude is only 23 years old has improved offensive game not just a 3 point shooter anymore and has always been a great defender. Plus his ties with Luke and his scheme he will want to run |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Speights would be a great great fit offensively imo. And the amount of shots he could have, could entice him. We have 2 guards who are P/R centric. He's def competent enough with the ball in his hands to play the Bogut role at the top of the key passing (hopefully he can stick to the offense when asked, and not chuck. He'll get his fair amount of shots anyway) . And not necessarily any semblance of a selling point, but Randle drive/kick to Speights could get him a few open looks a game at least - Randle just needs to be coached-up.
And he'd get way more minutes, and money.
25mpg at least, and 10-12 mil per I'd guess to be our starter. He's a great fit offensively, we'd just have to pray he's in shape to compete on D.
He could make our offense a lot better imo. |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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^ I also really like the idea of Namce next to Speights for added D, and potentially a crap load of spacing |
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KobeRe-Loaded Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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King Randle wrote: | Sleights is gong to be 29 in August...no crazy 5 year $50 million deals. Pursue Whiteside or Horford with big money deals first. |
Speights is more of a 2-3 yr for $5-7M per. _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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lakerfanaticPT wrote: | Barnes. They can't match a big offer as they have Curry, Thompson, and Green getting big bucks already. |
That's what I was wondering. Green and Clay at 15 and 16 mil next year. Do they have the capspace to pay Barnes 20+mil? _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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KobeRe-Loaded Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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dcastillo wrote: | lakerfanaticPT wrote: | Barnes. They can't match a big offer as they have Curry, Thompson, and Green getting big bucks already. |
Might have to over pay him around 22-25 a year but remember dude is only 23 years old has improved offensive game not just a 3 point shooter anymore and has always been a great defender. Plus his ties with Luke and his scheme he will want to run |
You can't overpay Barnes. The max for his tier is $20/21M _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
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Oliver Reed Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | lakerfanaticPT wrote: | Barnes. They can't match a big offer as they have Curry, Thompson, and Green getting big bucks already. |
That's what I was wondering. Green and Clay at 15 and 16 mil next year. Do they have the capspace to pay Barnes 20+mil? |
If someone pays Barnes the max, I do not think the Warriors can match. Many forget that Curry is on a friendly contract right now, he will get maxed once his contract is over.
Is Barnes a PF or a SF? _________________ Because we're better than you! |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | King Randle wrote: | Sleights is gong to be 29 in August...no crazy 5 year $50 million deals. Pursue Whiteside or Horford with big money deals first. |
Speights is more of a 2-3 yr for $5-7M per. |
If that's going to be his GSW offer, we have to up it to entice him. 10mil for a starter ain't bad, w the new cap. |
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dcastillo Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | dcastillo wrote: | lakerfanaticPT wrote: | Barnes. They can't match a big offer as they have Curry, Thompson, and Green getting big bucks already. |
Might have to over pay him around 22-25 a year but remember dude is only 23 years old has improved offensive game not just a 3 point shooter anymore and has always been a great defender. Plus his ties with Luke and his scheme he will want to run |
You can't overpay Barnes. The max for his tier is $20/21M |
My bad thanks for the correction. Well let's say 21 I don't think they match that |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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dcastillo wrote: | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | dcastillo wrote: | lakerfanaticPT wrote: | Barnes. They can't match a big offer as they have Curry, Thompson, and Green getting big bucks already. |
Might have to over pay him around 22-25 a year but remember dude is only 23 years old has improved offensive game not just a 3 point shooter anymore and has always been a great defender. Plus his ties with Luke and his scheme he will want to run |
You can't overpay Barnes. The max for his tier is $20/21M |
My bad thanks for the correction. Well let's say 21 I don't think they match that |
More info on max salary for a bunch of free agents like Barnes: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/projecting-2015-2016-max-salary-tiers/ _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Oliver Reed wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | lakerfanaticPT wrote: | Barnes. They can't match a big offer as they have Curry, Thompson, and Green getting big bucks already. |
That's what I was wondering. Green and Clay at 15 and 16 mil next year. Do they have the capspace to pay Barnes 20+mil? |
If someone pays Barnes the max, I do not think the Warriors can match. Many forget that Curry is on a friendly contract right now, he will get maxed once his contract is over.
Is Barnes a PF or a SF? |
Yup, one more year for Curry at 12 mil before he breaks the bank in the Summer of 2017: http://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/stephen-curry/ _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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dablackmamba Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Oliver Reed wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | lakerfanaticPT wrote: | Barnes. They can't match a big offer as they have Curry, Thompson, and Green getting big bucks already. |
That's what I was wondering. Green and Clay at 15 and 16 mil next year. Do they have the capspace to pay Barnes 20+mil? |
If someone pays Barnes the max, I do not think the Warriors can match. Many forget that Curry is on a friendly contract right now, he will get maxed once his contract is over.
Is Barnes a PF or a SF? |
SF. _________________ Hold the door. |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm curious how high the Warriors will go to keep Barnes. 17-18 mil? _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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BigBallerBrand Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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is it possible for us to sign and trade clarkson? or does he have to agree to go somewhere for us to do that?
for example, can we sign/trade clarkson + top 3 pick for butler and gasol (he would also need to sign and trade)
so if we get kd and whiteside..:
starters:
russell
butler
kd
randle
whiteside
bench:
gasol
lau
swaggy
tarik black
nance
anthony brown _________________ Billions Billions Billions |
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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | I'm curious how high the Warriors will go to keep Barnes. 17-18 mil? |
I think their offer to him was 18 mill _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
Max slot : Kawhi |
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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | Speights would be a great great fit offensively imo. And the amount of shots he could have, could entice him. We have 2 guards who are P/R centric. He's def competent enough with the ball in his hands to play the Bogut role at the top of the key passing (hopefully he can stick to the offense when asked, and not chuck. He'll get his fair amount of shots anyway) . And not necessarily any semblance of a selling point, but Randle drive/kick to Speights could get him a few open looks a game at least - Randle just needs to be coached-up.
And he'd get way more minutes, and money.
25mpg at least, and 10-12 mil per I'd guess to be our starter. He's a great fit offensively, we'd just have to pray he's in shape to compete on D.
He could make our offense a lot better imo. |
He's my back up plan for Horford. I'm also thinking Deng can be our Harrison Barnes. Long 3 and D guy who can switch onto PFs both should be cheaper but effective options _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
Max slot : Kawhi |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Car54 wrote: | LandsbergerRules wrote: | I'm curious how high the Warriors will go to keep Barnes. 17-18 mil? |
I think their offer to him was 18 mill |
It was at 16M. 4y64M. & that's before the somewhat down year, espically in the playoffs _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Car54 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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My Back up plan players
Speights
Deng
Rush
They fit right in with Randle and Russell
Speights 38.7 3pt% = Bogut with stretch ability
Deng 6'9 defense and capable 3 pt shooter = Barnes
Rush 6'6 defensive minded knock down 3 41% 3pt = Klay _________________ Coach Vogel, Kidd, Hollins
Max slot : Kawhi |
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