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| Car54 wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | Speights would be a great great fit offensively imo. And the amount of shots he could have, could entice him. We have 2 guards who are P/R centric. He's def competent enough with the ball in his hands to play the Bogut role at the top of the key passing (hopefully he can stick to the offense when asked, and not chuck. He'll get his fair amount of shots anyway) . And not necessarily any semblance of a selling point, but Randle drive/kick to Speights could get him a few open looks a game at least - Randle just needs to be coached-up.
And he'd get way more minutes, and money.
25mpg at least, and 10-12 mil per I'd guess to be our starter. He's a great fit offensively, we'd just have to pray he's in shape to compete on D.
He could make our offense a lot better imo. |
He's my back up plan for Horford. I'm also thinking Deng can be our Harrison Barnes. Long 3 and D guy who can switch onto PFs both should be cheaper but effective options |
Landing those two guys + keep our pick, would be a super solid offseason personnel wise. |
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | I'm curious how high the Warriors will go to keep Barnes. 17-18 mil? |
I think their offer to him was 18 mill |
It was at 16M. 4y64M. & that's before the somewhat down year, espically in the playoffs |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | Speights would be a great great fit offensively imo. And the amount of shots he could have, could entice him. We have 2 guards who are P/R centric. He's def competent enough with the ball in his hands to play the Bogut role at the top of the key passing (hopefully he can stick to the offense when asked, and not chuck. He'll get his fair amount of shots anyway) . And not necessarily any semblance of a selling point, but Randle drive/kick to Speights could get him a few open looks a game at least - Randle just needs to be coached-up.
And he'd get way more minutes, and money.
25mpg at least, and 10-12 mil per I'd guess to be our starter. He's a great fit offensively, we'd just have to pray he's in shape to compete on D.
He could make our offense a lot better imo. |
He's my back up plan for Horford. I'm also thinking Deng can be our Harrison Barnes. Long 3 and D guy who can switch onto PFs both should be cheaper but effective options |
Landing those two guys + keep our pick, would be a super solid offseason personnel wise. |
That team could possibly win 40 games depending on randles development
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| Car54 wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | Speights would be a great great fit offensively imo. And the amount of shots he could have, could entice him. We have 2 guards who are P/R centric. He's def competent enough with the ball in his hands to play the Bogut role at the top of the key passing (hopefully he can stick to the offense when asked, and not chuck. He'll get his fair amount of shots anyway) . And not necessarily any semblance of a selling point, but Randle drive/kick to Speights could get him a few open looks a game at least - Randle just needs to be coached-up.
And he'd get way more minutes, and money.
25mpg at least, and 10-12 mil per I'd guess to be our starter. He's a great fit offensively, we'd just have to pray he's in shape to compete on D.
He could make our offense a lot better imo. |
He's my back up plan for Horford. I'm also thinking Deng can be our Harrison Barnes. Long 3 and D guy who can switch onto PFs both should be cheaper but effective options |
Landing those two guys + keep our pick, would be a super solid offseason personnel wise. |
That team could possibly win 40 games depending on randles development |
I agree. I think Russ and Clarkson are guaranteed to make solid improvement in this offense , so that's a boon already. Randle will improve to be a competent slash/passer at the least I think. And Larry could make a big leap himself. Our young core will be really beneficial next year I believe, and we could win 40 games if we land a couple starting caliber FAs |
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We're not trying to recreate what GS has...
we're just going to run an offense predicated on spacing, moving the ball, and get up and down the floor.
I know there are some similarities between Randle/Green and D'LO/Curry (well, we hope) but we're gong to be build our own team with their own talents.
Guys I like in FA (outside of tier 1/2 guys) are Biyombo, C. Lee, Matt Barnes, and Bass |
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| 2019 wrote: | We're not trying to recreate what GS has...
we're just going to run an offense predicated on spacing, moving the ball, and get up and down the floor.
I know there are some similarities between Randle/Green and D'LO/Curry (well, we hope) but we're gong to be build our own team with their own talents.
Guys I like in FA (outside of tier 1/2 guys) are Biyombo, C. Lee, Matt Barnes, and Bass |
Well Spieghts would be a lil different from Bogut and Randle a lil different from Green. What we can't afford not to copy is have a 3 that plays defense and trying to put a defender next to DLO
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I'm not saying we need this player, and I don't know how his relationship with Luke is, since Luke is Draymond's guy, but I could see us picking up David Lee for a little veteran presence.
Now I fully expect someone to skip everything except for the part that says, "David Lee" and write, "No, Just No". Haha. But I'm coming from Luke's perspective, not ours. |
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| Chandler Parsons and Tarik Black. |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | I'm not saying we need this player, and I don't know how his relationship with Luke is, since Luke is Draymond's guy, but I could see us picking up David Lee for a little veteran presence.
Now I fully expect someone to skip everything except for the part that says, "David Lee" and write, "No, Just No". Haha. But I'm coming from Luke's perspective, not ours. |
Vet min to be the third string PF, why not
David Lee / Elton Brand = vet min, third string, good locker room vet
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| KG24 wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | Those expecting us to sign a "star" will be sorely disappointed. The biggest fish we might net is Horford or Noah.
Other names:
Harrison Barnes - he's a RESTRICTED free agent, so he's not coming.
Whiteside - I was for this before Luke was hired. Now he'd be a terrible fit. I think our front office knows this too.
Realistically, we're going to be signing "average" guys and veterans that have specific skill sets making them good fits. Example:
Steve Novak - Ryan Kelly is essentially a poor man's Novak: 6'10 skinny white guy whose game is outside shooting. Problem is, Kelly is shooting 31% 3's for his career. Novak is shooting 43%. Might as well dump Kelly and get the proven thing.
Ryan Anderson - of the same mold as the two above except he actually has some talent and can do more than just shoot (though he's not quite as good a shooter as Novak). He's also younger (27) and has grown accustomed to coming off the bench the last couple seasons.
The Warriors' UFA's - Barbosa, Rush, and Speights. I can see us getting Speights and probably Rush to come off the bench and help the transition for what Luke wants to run.
Aaron Afflalo - is a possibility. He has a player option for the next season, and he's likely opting out. He was very unhappy in NY and the coaches, the fans, and management were all unhappy with him. For a defensive specialist, he was actually quite terrible on defense last season, but that could've been a result of the toxic atmosphere in NY. Another issue is that he sees himself as a starter and wants to get paid like one ($9 million+). Even if we were willing to pay him, Luke would have to convince him to come off the bench.
Jordan Farmar - Luke and Farmar are very good friends. Farmar signed with the Grizzlies for the final stretch of the season and played well. He's 29 and still has some game left. I can see him coming back for a 3rd stint.
These are the types of players we'll be bringing in. Hopefully we can also dump Lou and Young. Addition by subtraction. Lineup will be something like:
C - Horford/Black/Speights
PF - Randle/Anderson
SF - Simmons/Nance/Brown
SG - Clarkson/Afflalo/Rush
PG - Dlo/Farmar |
Afflalo would start over Clarkson... |
If you saw Afflalo play this season, no way. Clarkson is growing into his prime. Afflalo is 31 and playing his worst ball. At this point Afflalo would be best served coming off the bench. Unfortunately he doesn't like the idea. |
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| Lakers should start w/ Kevin Durant! If they succeeded in getting him, then everything will fall on their lap. |
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| Man Speights is a knucklehead, there's a reason he plays limited minutes. Yes he can hit mid-long range shots and has post moves, but that's it! He picks up fouls and dumb fouls at a rapid pace, his defense consist of trying to take charges, and he rarely passes... He works in their system and team with the leash he has on him, good luck watching that unfold outside of that. |
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| David Lee is broken. Elton Brand should be in retirement. There's a handful of reasonably serviceable FA's available with the cap space we have that we don't have to scrape the bottom of the barrel this off season. |
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| Worthy42 wrote: | | David Lee is broken. Elton Brand should be in retirement. There's a handful of reasonably serviceable FA's available with the cap space we have that we don't have to scrape the bottom of the barrel this off season. |
Elton Brand's still playing??? Didn't know. Is he still at least serviceable? |
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| jjangx27 wrote: | | Worthy42 wrote: | | David Lee is broken. Elton Brand should be in retirement. There's a handful of reasonably serviceable FA's available with the cap space we have that we don't have to scrape the bottom of the barrel this off season. |
Elton Brand's still playing??? Didn't know. Is he still at least serviceable? |
Yeah he's on the Sixers bench. He was brought in after Coangelo boarded to babysit Okafor after those incidents. 
Is he serviceable? No! He played in 17 games since his signing in Jan. Scored 70 pts... his averages. PTS 4.1 REB 3.7AST 1.1. Pretty sure Sacre can give us that in his sleep.
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| Worthy42 wrote: | | Man Speights is a knucklehead, there's a reason he plays limited minutes. Yes he can hit mid-long range shots and has post moves, but that's it! He picks up fouls and dumb fouls at a rapid pace, his defense consist of trying to take charges, and he rarely passes... He works in their system and team with the leash he has on him, good luck watching that unfold outside of that. |
Sounds to me like you're stat watching instead of watching games. Bogut and Mareese avg the same amount of fouls per 36 mins so what's this talk about fouling. What's even worst is Fetus Elzi avg more than the both of them and he's considered a good defender. As far as passing goes aren't you one of the Whiteside supporters? Mareese is actually a better and more willing passer than Whiteside.
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| Car54 wrote: | | Worthy42 wrote: | | Man Speights is a knucklehead, there's a reason he plays limited minutes. Yes he can hit mid-long range shots and has post moves, but that's it! He picks up fouls and dumb fouls at a rapid pace, his defense consist of trying to take charges, and he rarely passes... He works in their system and team with the leash he has on him, good luck watching that unfold outside of that. |
Sounds to me like you're stat watching instead of watching games. Bogut and Mareese avg the same amount of fouls per 36 mins so what's this talk about fouling. What's even worst is Fetus Elzi avg more than the both of them and he's considered a good defender. As far as passing goes aren't you one of the Whiteside supporters? Mareese is actually a better and more willing passer than Whiteside. |
No man I watch all the Dubs games, watching for them to lose, lol. He's a knucklehead out there. If you want a frustrating player to watch next season, MO BUCKETS is your dude.
Looks like you're watching the stats, Bogut and Festus are easily superior by miles to Speights because they actually can move and protect the rim.
Whiteside?! Are you kidding me? I hate the guy, thinks he's vastly overrated and his a headcase. I firmly believe he's waiting for his pay day so he can sit back and enjoy his stats in NBA 2k. |
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| Worthy42 wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | Worthy42 wrote: | | Man Speights is a knucklehead, there's a reason he plays limited minutes. Yes he can hit mid-long range shots and has post moves, but that's it! He picks up fouls and dumb fouls at a rapid pace, his defense consist of trying to take charges, and he rarely passes... He works in their system and team with the leash he has on him, good luck watching that unfold outside of that. |
Sounds to me like you're stat watching instead of watching games. Bogut and Mareese avg the same amount of fouls per 36 mins so what's this talk about fouling. What's even worst is Fetus Elzi avg more than the both of them and he's considered a good defender. As far as passing goes aren't you one of the Whiteside supporters? Mareese is actually a better and more willing passer than Whiteside. |
No man I watch all the Dubs games, watching for them to lose, lol. He's a knucklehead out there. If you want a frustrating player to watch next season, MO BUCKETS is your dude.
Looks like you're watching the stats, Bogut and Festus are easily superior by miles to Speights because they actually can move and protect the rim. |
Let me ask you a question who's a better defender Whiteside or Horford?
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| Car54 wrote: | | Worthy42 wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | Worthy42 wrote: | | Man Speights is a knucklehead, there's a reason he plays limited minutes. Yes he can hit mid-long range shots and has post moves, but that's it! He picks up fouls and dumb fouls at a rapid pace, his defense consist of trying to take charges, and he rarely passes... He works in their system and team with the leash he has on him, good luck watching that unfold outside of that. |
Sounds to me like you're stat watching instead of watching games. Bogut and Mareese avg the same amount of fouls per 36 mins so what's this talk about fouling. What's even worst is Fetus Elzi avg more than the both of them and he's considered a good defender. As far as passing goes aren't you one of the Whiteside supporters? Mareese is actually a better and more willing passer than Whiteside. |
No man I watch all the Dubs games, watching for them to lose, lol. He's a knucklehead out there. If you want a frustrating player to watch next season, MO BUCKETS is your dude.
Looks like you're watching the stats, Bogut and Festus are easily superior by miles to Speights because they actually can move and protect the rim. |
Let me ask you a question who's a better defender Whiteside or Horford? |
Horford by a landslide. I hate Whiteside, he's all about him, stat chaser, headcase. The guy chases after blocks and leaves his man leaving the middle open for rebounds galore. He wrecks any defensive scheme... granted he's been more well behaved these playoffs but Al Jeff was still mauling him when they were matched up. We destroyed Miami on the boards when we faced them even with Whiteside tallying up the rebounding individual numbers. I think we got 19 offensive rebounds that game. Dude is vastly overrated. Give me Horford in a heartbeat. |
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| Worthy42 wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | Worthy42 wrote: | | Car54 wrote: | | Worthy42 wrote: | | Man Speights is a knucklehead, there's a reason he plays limited minutes. Yes he can hit mid-long range shots and has post moves, but that's it! He picks up fouls and dumb fouls at a rapid pace, his defense consist of trying to take charges, and he rarely passes... He works in their system and team with the leash he has on him, good luck watching that unfold outside of that. |
Sounds to me like you're stat watching instead of watching games. Bogut and Mareese avg the same amount of fouls per 36 mins so what's this talk about fouling. What's even worst is Fetus Elzi avg more than the both of them and he's considered a good defender. As far as passing goes aren't you one of the Whiteside supporters? Mareese is actually a better and more willing passer than Whiteside. |
No man I watch all the Dubs games, watching for them to lose, lol. He's a knucklehead out there. If you want a frustrating player to watch next season, MO BUCKETS is your dude.
Looks like you're watching the stats, Bogut and Festus are easily superior by miles to Speights because they actually can move and protect the rim. |
Let me ask you a question who's a better defender Whiteside or Horford? |
Horford by a landslide. I hate Whiteside, the guy chases after blocks and leaves his man leaving the middle open for rebounds galore. We destroyed Miami on the boards when we faced them even with Whiteside tallying up the rebounding individual numbers. I think we got 19 offensive rebounds that game. Dude is vastly overrated. Give me Horford in a heartbeat. |
Ok I agree with you but the reason I asked was because attempting to block shots vs taking a charge is equal in my eyes in terms of stopping inside the paint points. Well blocks are a lil more effective but both require effort but blocks get you in more foul trouble. I said all that to say. None of them are outstanding defenders but they are all decent in my opinion. Draymond is the best defender at center.
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| ^Bogut is an excellent man, position, and help defender. Festus is a terrific man defender, he's improving with his help defense and reads and does a decent job at protecting the rim. All the Dubs take charges well as their defensive rotations are pretty solid. The weakest link is Speights which gets slightly shadowed because of the rest of the scheme and his teammates, you put him with a young squad devoid of defense and it's going to look really ugly. Bluntly put he's a terrible defender, man and team. |
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| Worthy42 wrote: | | ^Bogut is an excellent man, position, and help defender. Festus is a terrific man defender, he's improving with his help defense and reads and does a decent job at protecting the rim. All the Dubs take charges well as their defensive rotations are pretty solid. The weakest link is Speights which gets slightly shadowed because of the rest of the scheme and his teammates, you put him with a young squad devoid of defense and it's going to look really ugly. Bluntly put he's a terrible defender, man and team. |
I put good perimeter defenders around him. Deng Rush and Russell. How many Centers are good scorers? His man will have to play defense as well in the paint and the perimeter.
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| Car54 wrote: | | Worthy42 wrote: | | ^Bogut is an excellent man, position, and help defender. Festus is a terrific man defender, he's improving with his help defense and reads and does a decent job at protecting the rim. All the Dubs take charges well as their defensive rotations are pretty solid. The weakest link is Speights which gets slightly shadowed because of the rest of the scheme and his teammates, you put him with a young squad devoid of defense and it's going to look really ugly. Bluntly put he's a terrible defender, man and team. |
I put good perimeter defenders around him. Deng Rush and Russell. How many Centers are good scorers? His man will have to play defense as well in the paint and the perimeter. |
He's also a low minutes for best productivity type of guy too. He's the equivalent of Nick Young but in the middle when it comes to shooting. Streaky. His first option is to shoot, defenses take that away and force him to be a decision maker and he'll choke up. That's where the knucklehead comment comes from. He was awful his first season there, and he's gradually gotten better with I'm guessing the butt-kicking Kerr is giving him. His minutes have been reduced this season, and I'm going to guess it's because Kerr basically told him to bust his behind on 50/50 plays when he's out there or he's going to be warming the bench. His effort when he's out there has been a lot better this season in the minutes he has.
Essentially he's one of those guys who require a lot of motivation to get the most out of him. I'm not about those guys, especially not on a young team like ours. I feel there are better options out there available. I rather grab the guys that have a more rounded game and can think on the fly as well as being self-motivated. |
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| ^We're basically better off trying to retain Brandon Bass then bringing in Mo Speights. |
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