Russell had a pretty historic season if we're going by per 100 possessions @ 19 years old: http://tinyurl.com/jpuve2a - he's in pretty epic company, and this is despite the KFT (license for Kobe to shoot 20 times a game) and Byron favoring Lou over him. You kind of failed at your own game.
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Can you run it again including 20 years old guys and filtering just by PTS sorting it by PTS per team possession?
Some all stars are great passers, other are great rebounders, shot blockers, defenders, so we can compare him with great players with other kind of strengths too.
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Russell had a pretty historic season if we're going by per 100 possessions @ 19 years old: http://tinyurl.com/jpuve2a - he's in pretty epic company, and this is despite the KFT (license for Kobe to shoot 20 times a game) and Byron favoring Lou over him. You kind of failed at your own game.
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Can you run it again including 20 years old guys and filtering just by PTS?
Some all stars are great passers, other are great rebounders, shot blockers, defenders, so we can compare him with great players with other kind of strengths too.
Russell turned 20 on February 23th. The season ended April 13th. He spent the majority of the season at age 19, so it's completely fair game to filter the criteria based on that.
If we're going by rookie metrics, he led all rookies in 3 pts made and steals by a good margin.
The site criteria is turning 20 until February 01 and he turned 20 February 23, so let's take a look at the stats including 20 years old dudes that didn't turned 21 before February 01.
42th best rookie in pts
18th in assists
29th steals
61th TS%
81th rebounds
86th blocks
3rd in three point attempts per 100 possessions
It seems like he is going to be a high volume three point shooter comparing his attempts per 100 possessions with all the 240 rookies with age from 18 to 20 years old.
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 7:04 pm Post subject:
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Ingram. I know Simmons has that star potential about him, but what I seen from him is that he doesn't have that killer instinct.
If Ingram played sf on the Lakers this past season it would have given them more scoring, Dlo and Huertas would have had more assists from made jump shots, teams wouldn't have loaded up on Clarkson so effectively and his % would have been higher. Randle would have been able to work inside with less defensive help. Fwds would have had a more difficult time shooting and scoring, defensive rotations would have been better, rebounding and shot blocking would have been better, especially alongside Nance Jr. He has time to improve on his skills and function in a capable offensive scheme. He will be another low post option. With the young players improving shooting, handles, strength, off hands, and chemistry, Ingram will complement them very well. He could turn into their best sf since they took Worthy #1, hopefully even better than Ariza was for them.
I mean guys like tyreke Evans and Michael carter Williams won ROY awards too. Surely they must be a HOFer. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
ROY means the guy was a better player as rookie than the other guys from his class, but his stats as rookie can give us a better vision of the future.
KAT had a remarkable rookie season, so it's realistic call him a future all star. Every other rookie has a chance to become a great player in the future, but it's really nonsense call someone like Mudiay a future HOF after his rookie season.
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 10:18 pm Post subject:
But hey, if you're seeing the same thing as sports media hacks, that's something to take to the bank... _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
ROY means the guy was a better player as rookie than the other guys from his class, but his stats as rookie can give us a better vision of the future.
KAT had a remarkable rookie season, so it's realistic call him a future all star. Every other rookie has a chance to become a great player in the future, but it's really nonsense call someone like Mudiay a future HOF after his rookie season.
Mudiay's rookie season was not very good. TS% of 43%, PER 9.9. His trajectory is more along the lines of Rubio.
Ingram will be a bust, he's to little and will be injury prone due to his long legs.
Good thing you figured out he will never be able to gain weight, and won't be any good because he's skinny. We better pass on him and select someone with more weight. Any fat guys available?
We don't want to get stuck with a Giannis or KD. _________________ "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."-The Greatest
Ingram will be a bust, he's to little and will be injury prone due to his long legs.
Good thing you figured out he will never be able to gain weight, and won't be any good because he's skinny. We better pass on him and select someone with more weight. Any fat guys available?
We don't want to get stuck with a Giannis or KD.
I would not say he wont gain weight, but it is a bit concerning that he is soo light at age 18. How is it physically possible to be ~6'9 and weigh 190 pounds?
Ingram will be a bust, he's to little and will be injury prone due to his long legs.
Good thing you figured out he will never be able to gain weight, and won't be any good because he's skinny. We better pass on him and select someone with more weight. Any fat guys available?
We don't want to get stuck with a Giannis or KD.
I would not say he wont gain weight, but it is a bit concerning that he is soo light at age 18. How is it physically possible to be ~6'9 and weigh 190 pounds?
Well according to Duke he put on 20 lbs over the last year, and according to his camp he's put on another 7lbs since the end of the college season. Some people are naturally skinny and are hard gainers. Good news is it looks like he can add weight. His 7 inch growth spurt probably had something to do with his height to weight ratio.
The fact that he's 18 may have something to do with it as well. He's far from a finished product, which is a good thing because he's already at a high level but still has so much more room to grow. _________________ "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."-The Greatest
Ingram will be a bust, he's to little and will be injury prone due to his long legs.
I'd take my chances going forward with Ingram.
There are some risk in the draft process, but I feel more comfortable and less concerned with a skilled player lacking mass than with a player lacking speed.
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Ingram will be a bust, he's to little and will be injury prone due to his long legs.
Good thing you figured out he will never be able to gain weight, and won't be any good because he's skinny. We better pass on him and select someone with more weight. Any fat guys available?
We don't want to get stuck with a Giannis or KD.
I would not say he wont gain weight, but it is a bit concerning that he is soo light at age 18. How is it physically possible to be ~6'9 and weigh 190 pounds?
Well according to Duke he put on 20 lbs over the last year, and according to his camp he's put on another 7lbs since the end of the college season. Some people are naturally skinny and are hard gainers. Good news is it looks like he can add weight. His 7 inch growth spurt probably had something to do with his height to weight ratio.
The fact that he's 18 may have something to do with it as well. He's far from a finished product, which is a good thing because he's already at a high level but still has so much more room to grow.
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 6:38 am Post subject:
Mindripper2000 wrote:
Tyreke Evans had a historic rookie campaign. People thought he would be the face of the league. Unfortunately, that's also when he peaked.
Yeah, Tyreke was looking like a mini-Lebron his rookie year. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
The site criteria is turning 20 until February 01 and he turned 20 February 23, so let's take a look at the stats including 20 years old dudes that didn't turned 21 before February 01.
42th best rookie in pts
18th in assists
29th steals
61th TS%
81th rebounds
86th blocks
3rd in three point attempts per 100 possessions
It seems like he is going to be a high volume three point shooter comparing his attempts per 100 possessions with all the 240 rookies with age from 18 to 20 years old.
There is no point in comparing him to centers and forwards. When you just look at guards and look at per 36 minutes.
Pts 15th ahead of Derrick Rose, Chris Paul, Harden, Wall, Beal.
TS% 28th ahead of Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook, John Wall, Mike Conley.
3-pt % 17th ahead of Paul, Westbrook, Wall, Rose, Conley
44th in AST, ahead of mostly SGs like Kobe and Harden.
Keep in mind he is one of youngest players on that list.
There is no point in comparing him to centers and forwards.
Draft is about talent not position, there is no point selecting Latrell Sprewell over Shaq because Latrell was the best guard of this class.
I'm looking at All-Star guards from all the recent classes. Young guards take longer to have impact, that is why it's a pointless comparison. People are saying Russell is a bust and it's not supported by any facts.
Another way to think about this... when was the last time a "franchise level player" looked like this taking threes and yet wanted to have the ball like a point guard?
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There is no point in comparing him to centers and forwards.
Draft is about talent not position, there is no point selecting Latrell Sprewell over Shaq because Latrell was the best guard of this class.
I'm looking at All-Star guards from all the recent classes. Young guards take longer to have impact, that is why it's a pointless comparison. People are saying Russell is a bust and it's not supported by any facts.
He's far from a bust. People still mad. Funny it's the same guys from last summer. Literally, the exact same guys. Funny how they all disappeared in February and March only to come back with a force after the swaggy p fiasco. Lame. _________________ Music is my medicine
People are saying Russell is a bust and it's not supported by any facts.
I really don't remember about anyone calling him a bust. Most of his critics seems to find he is a good player, just not 2nd pick good.
I believe he has a better potential as scorer than any other young player we have, but neither calling him a bust or a stud have support of facts at this moment.
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