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Endure 12 Starting Rotation
Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 913 Location: Leeds (UK)
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: Why is Kobe shooting so many 3's? |
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He's a streaky shooter from that distance, I would love for him to go back to only taking them when they're really needed.
Like when we're down by 8 with 4 minutes to go he'll hoist(sp?) a 3 when we should work for better shots. |
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OdomX2 Star Player
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 3973
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Why is Kobe shooting so many 3's? |
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Endure 12 wrote: | He's a streaky shooter from that distance, I would love for him to go back to only taking them when they're really needed.
Like when we're down by 8 with 4 minutes to go he'll hoist(sp?) a 3 when we should work for better shots. |
Yah because fighting through triples and the refs is easy. Go hide. |
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Endure 12 Starting Rotation
Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 913 Location: Leeds (UK)
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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^dude no need for the 'go hide' comment. What's the matter with you?
And I wasn't just talking about this game but 11 3's? But I know some of them were to beat the shot clock from bad passes . |
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FredG Star Player
Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 5328 Location: Junkyard
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Because he's Kobe and he can do whatever the hell he wants at this point. |
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Socks Franchise Player
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 10761 Location: Bay Area, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:36 am Post subject: |
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I agree Endure. It is a lot easier to take a long 3 than to fight through the triple teams and Kobe gets a pass on this board because everyone appreciates the fact he brings it every night and he's the only consistently talented guy on the team. Really he shouldn't be jacking up all those 3's, but I can completely understand that the guy's just exhausted. |
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Neener Sixth Man
Joined: 25 Jun 2005 Posts: 29
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:45 am Post subject: |
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He doesn't get calls when he drives to the basket. |
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KB8@LG Starting Rotation
Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 367
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:41 am Post subject: |
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the rest of scrubs don´t hit shots. defenses don´t even defend them anymore since they brick anyway. That way we cannot spread the floor and Kobe doesn´t get any free lanes. Our horrible spaing/ shooting and we all know Kobe loves to fall in love with 30 footers. |
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Sage_10 Star Player
Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 6668
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: |
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I also don't think he should keep resorting to 3's. The guy can get into the lane at will, he should be going in and getting hacked. And I understand that the refs don't always make good calls but he has to put the onus on the officials to make the calls. I rather have him get in there and miss a contested layup than a contested 3-pointer. |
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Scherm Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: |
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It's his only open look when they send 3 guys at him and a fourth on the way.
Would you rather he pass it to a 20% shooting teammate? |
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RG73 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Sage_10 wrote: | I also don't think he should keep resorting to 3's. The guy can get into the lane at will, he should be going in and getting hacked. And I understand that the refs don't always make good calls but he has to put the onus on the officials to make the calls. I rather have him get in there and miss a contested layup than a contested 3-pointer. |
Ok, but he does, in fact drive again and again and gets no calls (at least last game). Over the course of the game, if the refs swallow their whistles, that encourages the defense to get more and more physical with Kobe because there's no penatly for it. Kobe is already beat up. I don't even want to know how many injuries he has. You want him to continue to drive, get hacked more, to make a moral point or something? If the whistle isn't going your way, it isn't going your way. If Kobe forces it in those sorts of games, the chances of him getting a serious injury increase. If Kobe goes down for 10-15 games, they might as well just close up Staples early this year and call it a season.
A lot of what he does it out of frustration, but it is also motivated by self-interest, e.g. staying healthy. |
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angrypuppy Retired Number
Joined: 13 Apr 2001 Posts: 32730
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Many of Kobe's threes come from trying to cut down on a lead, all the while the team shows zero ability at making defensive stops. |
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qreus-76 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: |
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But if you noticed last night, Kobe realy didn't need to shoot all those 3's. Cook was hot and was benifiting from Kobe being double and tripple teamed. |
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hoopschick29 Franchise Player
Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 12898 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: |
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qreus-76 wrote: | But if you noticed last night, Kobe realy didn't need to shoot all those 3's. Cook was hot and was benifiting from Kobe being double and tripple teamed. |
Well in this instance, you blame Phil. That was only defense against Cookie...sitting him for 10 minutes. |
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Shapecity Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Normally I don't mind Kobe taking the 3's, last night was a rare exception though. His rhythm was off all night long, and he wasn't getting it done on defense. He was forcing too, much at the end of the game than he should have from frustration. |
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heineken Star Player
Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 1601 Location: Lakers Bench
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Kobe was forcing a little but you have to believe that alot of it was out of frustration. I couldn't imagine being in his shoes. He is getting doubled and triple teamed sometimes even without the ball. His teamates are passing up open shots and bricking alot of the ones they do take. I saw one play last night where Sasha had the ball with the shot clock running down and he passed it backwards to Kobe who was a good 30 ft away from the basket. I saw multiple plays where he was fighting to get open on one side of the basket and his teamates never even worked the ball to that side. I couldn't even count all the open looks his teamates had that they passed up on. I know it's tough to believe but Kobe is human and he does things sometimes out of frustration. _________________ "It's all about the beer" |
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loyola66 Starting Rotation
Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 521
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: |
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because other guys can't make shots and we get down by 20 quickly... |
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msb212 Star Player
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 9251 Location: Courtside
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: |
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what happened to the kobe who didn;t take a 3 pointer for the first 5 games of the season, and loked like the second coming? I loved that kobe. |
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uberzev Franchise Player
Joined: 25 Jan 2002 Posts: 19120 Location: SDSU
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Let's see. Kobe shot 5-22. That's 3-11 on threes and 2-11 on twos.
3-11 3P = 41% eFG
2-11 2P = 18% eFG
He should have shot more threes! _________________ Lakers Gonna Lake |
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bambam Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:46 am Post subject: |
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Scherm wrote: | It's his only open look when they send 3 guys at him and a fourth on the way.
Would you rather he pass it to a 20% shooting teammate? |
yes..
shot attempts = effort on the other end.
like it or not |
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uberzev Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: |
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For the season...
093-271 3P = 51.5% eFG
460-968 2P = 47.5% eFG
Of course this doesn't factor in free throws which are more likely to come from 2P attempts but you get the picture. _________________ Lakers Gonna Lake
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bambam Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:50 am Post subject: |
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uberzev wrote: | For the season...
093-271 3P = 51.5% eFG
460-968 2P = 47.5% eFG
Of course this doesn't factor in free throws which are more likely to come from 2P attempts but you get the picture. |
how did you get those stats? |
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uberzev Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:52 am Post subject: |
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bambam wrote: | uberzev wrote: | For the season...
093-271 3P = 51.5% eFG
460-968 2P = 47.5% eFG
Of course this doesn't factor in free throws which are more likely to come from 2P attempts but you get the picture. |
how did you get those stats? | ESPN.com plus windows calculator. _________________ Lakers Gonna Lake |
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bambam Star Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:55 am Post subject: |
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uberzev wrote: | bambam wrote: | uberzev wrote: | For the season...
093-271 3P = 51.5% eFG
460-968 2P = 47.5% eFG
Of course this doesn't factor in free throws which are more likely to come from 2P attempts but you get the picture. |
how did you get those stats? | ESPN.com plus windows calculator. |
no, what are you doing to change the %? kobe is shooting 34. and 44.6 |
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uberzev Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: |
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bambam wrote: |
no, what are you doing to change the %? kobe is shooting 34. and 44.6 | eFG% measures shooting efficiency by taking into account the total points a player produces through his field goal attempts. For ex: If Snaq has 3-5 FG, all two-point shots for 6 points, then his eFG% = [(6/5)]/2 = 60%. Meanwhile, if Kobe is 2-5 FG, but his 2 FGM are both three-pointers for 6 points, then his e FG% = [(6/5)]/2 = 60%. _________________ Lakers Gonna Lake |
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boommic Starting Rotation
Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 194 Location: Orange County
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: |
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uberzev wrote: | Let's see. Kobe shot 5-22. That's 3-11 on threes and 2-11 on twos.
3-11 3P = 41% eFG
2-11 2P = 18% eFG
He should have shot more threes! |
3-11 3P = 27% FG
Never mind though, didn't realize what the hell you were calculating.
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