D'Antoni can coach, no doubt, but he didn't appear to handle egos very well, plus his disinterest in defense would require a team to hire a defensive specialist as a strong assistant coach. Blatt better be careful or he's going to be put in the D'Antoni box as far as dealing with people.
Mike Brown - total opposite, defense was his bag and he knew so little about offense he tried to go "complicated" instead of simple which blew up in his face so he'd need - basically D'Antoni as an assistant
Byron just refuses to change. Hey, this worked in the 90's, it'll work today - and then it doesn't, surprise, surprise He would need strong assistants on offense and defense - which begs the question, why hire this guy when we can hire a younger guy who's good at one or the other and bring in help for him?
- usher in Luke Walton Byron then proceeds to go on tour saying he got screwed doing what the team asked. Like he would have done anything differently like... oh, I dunno, benching the rookies and playing the vets?
it's just so... LUDICROUS... it's hard to believe he actually said it...
Did anyone caught the story about D'Antoni that John Ireland told on his show Friday? Pretty funny stuff.
When Mike D was coaching in NY, shortly after Linsanity blew up, Melo came back and of course dude was being a black hole on offense, once you throw him the ball, no one will see it again. So Lin go up to D'Antoni and said coach, I'm going to freeze him out, he's killing the flow, just so you know. D'Antoni said Jeremy, look up at that giant poster on the wall, that's Melo, you can't freeze him out, you'll get traded and I'll be fired. Jeremy then said, I'm going to do it anyway, and walk off. At that point Mike D'Antoni turn to his brother, who was on the staff and said, I guess we better put the house on the market. _________________ Ringo "You retired too?"
Doc "Not me, I'm in my prime."
Did anyone caught the story about D'Antoni that John Ireland told on his show Friday? Pretty funny stuff.
When Mike D was coaching in NY, shortly after Linsanity blew up, Melo came back and of course dude was being a black hole on offense, once you throw him the ball, no one will see it again. So Lin go up to D'Antoni and said coach, I'm going to freeze him out, he's killing the flow, just so you know. D'Antoni said Jeremy, look up at that giant poster on the wall, that's Melo, you can't freeze him out, you'll get traded and I'll be fired. Jeremy then said, I'm going to do it anyway, and walk off. At that point Mike D'Antoni turn to his brother, who was on the staff and said, I guess we better put the house on the market.
WE WANT JEREMY! Hahahaha _________________ #11/08/16 America became GREAT again
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Byron, obviously. but i think MDA is overvalued by some here. Maybe absence and time make people forget how inflexible and poor he was at communication. He had a contender gift wrapped for him and was too stubborn to adjust to his players strengths. It took basically a coup with Kobe going full blast for the Lakers to barely make the playoffs. And from this Kobe going down with an Achilles which would shorten his career as a result.
I don't care how good MDA is with younger players. I hope he never comes anywhere near the Lakers ever again.
I mean, think about it. MDA won 27 freaking games with 2 d-leaguers starting for him. We had guys like Manny Harris, Marshon Brooks, Kendall Marshall, Shawne Williams, Xavier Henry.
Kobe didn't even play, Gasol missed 22 games, and our other key players were Wesley Johnson, Jodie Meeks, Nick Young.
Ok, just to highlight how, in retrospect, amazing MDA did with that garbage dump of a roster... we had a franchise record 51 pt quarter against the Knicks with the following lineup:
Starters
PG: Kendall Marshall
SG: Jodie Meeks
SF: Wesley Johnson
PF: Jordan Hill
C: Chris Kaman
Bench
Ryan Kelly
Kent Bazemore
Robert Sacre
Xavier Henry
Nick Young
Marshon Brooks
DNP
Pau Gasol
Kobe Bryant
Jordan Farmar
How is that even possible? Seriously.
Gave up 31 in that quarter too. _________________
"Through the legs to the left, through the legs to the right, we don't run them Laker plays, we just Kobe fadeaway..."
My first instinct and my vote went to Byron Scott because he's statistically thee worst coach in NBA history but I dont expect Mike Brown to ever be a HC again either. Both are the correct answer. _________________ Whenever the Lakers benefit all of a sudden rules need to be changed and trades need to be blocked.
My first instinct and my vote went to Byron Scott because he's statistically thee worst coach in NBA history but I dont expect Mike Brown to ever be a HC again either. Both are the correct answer.
Byron is just a sad sack. His approach to the game is old school 80's basketball which doesn't flow with this current type of basketball mentally he just can't connect with today players.
Byron is so old school I bet he has the jitterbug as his cell phone
Byron, obviously. but i think MDA is overvalued by some here. Maybe absence and time make people forget how inflexible and poor he was at communication. He had a contender gift wrapped for him and was too stubborn to adjust to his players strengths. It took basically a coup with Kobe going full blast for the Lakers to barely make the playoffs. And from this Kobe going down with an Achilles which would shorten his career as a result.
I don't care how good MDA is with younger players. I hope he never comes anywhere near the Lakers ever again.
I don't like MDA the person, but he can coach. He just needs to be given the proper personnel for his system.
His predecessor couldn't win a preseason game with that contender as you described it.
Byron, obviously. but i think MDA is overvalued by some here. Maybe absence and time make people forget how inflexible and poor he was at communication. He had a contender gift wrapped for him and was too stubborn to adjust to his players strengths. It took basically a coup with Kobe going full blast for the Lakers to barely make the playoffs. And from this Kobe going down with an Achilles which would shorten his career as a result.
I don't care how good MDA is with younger players. I hope he never comes anywhere near the Lakers ever again.
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Byron, obviously. but i think MDA is overvalued by some here. Maybe absence and time make people forget how inflexible and poor he was at communication. He had a contender gift wrapped for him and was too stubborn to adjust to his players strengths. It took basically a coup with Kobe going full blast for the Lakers to barely make the playoffs. And from this Kobe going down with an Achilles which would shorten his career as a result.
I don't care how good MDA is with younger players. I hope he never comes anywhere near the Lakers ever again.
I don't like MDA the person, but he can coach. He just needs to be given the proper personnel for his system.
His predecessor couldn't win a preseason game with that contender as you described it.
MDA's rigid. You have to get the players to fit his system. And who cares about that pre-season. Mike brown shouldn't even be brought into this discussion. His firing stems from dissatisfaction from the previous season. They were a contender by the way, the sports world was describing them as such, virtually all of LG was describing them that way. A more suitable coach (and I mean Phil) would have taken that team a wee bit further than the first round (injuries included).
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My first instinct and my vote went to Byron Scott because he's statistically thee worst coach in NBA history but I dont expect Mike Brown to ever be a HC again either. Both are the correct answer.
Byron is just a sad sack. His approach to the game is old school 80's basketball which doesn't flow with this current type of basketball mentally he just can't connect with today players.
Byron is so old school I bet he has the jitterbug as his cell phone
Kool and the Gang's Celebration is his ringtone imo. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
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Did anyone caught the story about D'Antoni that John Ireland told on his show Friday? Pretty funny stuff.
When Mike D was coaching in NY, shortly after Linsanity blew up, Melo came back and of course dude was being a black hole on offense, once you throw him the ball, no one will see it again. So Lin go up to D'Antoni and said coach, I'm going to freeze him out, he's killing the flow, just so you know. D'Antoni said Jeremy, look up at that giant poster on the wall, that's Melo, you can't freeze him out, you'll get traded and I'll be fired. Jeremy then said, I'm going to do it anyway, and walk off. At that point Mike D'Antoni turn to his brother, who was on the staff and said, I guess we better put the house on the market.
LMAO I always thought Pringles was funny. Thanks for posting this, it's hilarious. _________________ My Dream Starting 5 next Season
Byron, obviously. but i think MDA is overvalued by some here. Maybe absence and time make people forget how inflexible and poor he was at communication. He had a contender gift wrapped for him and was too stubborn to adjust to his players strengths. It took basically a coup with Kobe going full blast for the Lakers to barely make the playoffs. And from this Kobe going down with an Achilles which would shorten his career as a result.
I don't care how good MDA is with younger players. I hope he never comes anywhere near the Lakers ever again.
I don't like MDA the person, but he can coach. He just needs to be given the proper personnel for his system.
His predecessor couldn't win a preseason game with that contender as you described it.
MDA's rigid. You have to get the players to fit his system. And who cares about that pre-season. Mike brown shouldn't even be brought into this discussion. His firing stems from dissatisfaction from the previous season. They were a contender by the way, the sports world was describing them as such, virtually all of LG was describing them that way. A more suitable coach (and I mean Phil) would have taken that team a wee bit further than the first round (injuries included).
I agree MDA is rigid, he only has one gear. So does Phil though. With both guys, you have to get the players to fit their system. When you don't do that, disaster strikes.
I never liked MDA (he never felt like Laker material to me), but, I think the guy is a better coach than some of the coaches currently employed now. And I think he did better, with less, than both Mike Brown and Byron Scott.
In particular, that 27-win season featuring multiple D-Leaguers in the starting lineup and a 51-point franchise record quarter with both Kobe and Pau sidelined.
In either case, I don't think anyone "overvalues" MDA here at all. He's an NBA caliber coach, but not among the elite, and he can get a lot out of a point guard. I don't think I've seen a single post suggesting he is much more than that.
Without question, the answer is Byron. There's no scenario where a team would look to him as the coach to lead their team and get the best out of their players. None. The best success he's ever enjoyed as a coach was during a very different era of basketball. He was the head coach of the Nets when they made two consecutive appearances to the Finals (and even looking back on that, some speculate that he had some very good assistants who made up for his ineptness), but that was in the early 2000's. We're almost two decades removed from that era. I could be wrong, but I'm sure the only players who are still in the league now who were also in the league at that time can be counted on one hand. But the point is just that- the pinnacle of Byron's head coaching success is ancient history as far as basketball is concerned.
He did win coach of the year in NO, but they had a short postseason run and he still broke [negative] coaching records during his tenure there. So at the very least his coaching resume' demonstrates that he won't lead an average team to the next level, or a contending team all the way.
Then you examine his time with CLE and LAL and you REALLY see just how awful he is. At those two stops he proved that he's the last guy you want to develop your young players during a rebuild. He doesn't like to teach (or can't). He just barks and gives orders. That's it. It's bad enough that he does so little for them basketball wise, but then it's compounded by his outright refusal to build them up and uplift them. He'd rather destroy confidence than strengthen it because he gets off on having the authority.
So when it comes down to it, there's no reason for any team to consider him. Teams at the top of the league wouldn't and neither would teams at the very bottom. He brings nothing to the table from an x's and o's perspective and is even worse chemistry wise. Byron's time in the league is done. It says a lot about you when even that circus out in Sacramento doesn't wanna touch you. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
MDA will be a head coach once again, Kerr basically copied the MDA offense.
I can see Brown get an assistant coaching gig
Byron will never coach again not even in a rec. league
Byron, obviously. but i think MDA is overvalued by some here. Maybe absence and time make people forget how inflexible and poor he was at communication. He had a contender gift wrapped for him and was too stubborn to adjust to his players strengths. It took basically a coup with Kobe going full blast for the Lakers to barely make the playoffs. And from this Kobe going down with an Achilles which would shorten his career as a result.
I don't care how good MDA is with younger players. I hope he never comes anywhere near the Lakers ever again.
I don't like MDA the person, but he can coach. He just needs to be given the proper personnel for his system.
His predecessor couldn't win a preseason game with that contender as you described it.
MDA's rigid. You have to get the players to fit his system. And who cares about that pre-season. Mike brown shouldn't even be brought into this discussion. His firing stems from dissatisfaction from the previous season. They were a contender by the way, the sports world was describing them as such, virtually all of LG was describing them that way. A more suitable coach (and I mean Phil) would have taken that team a wee bit further than the first round (injuries included).
I agree MDA is rigid, he only has one gear. So does Phil though. With both guys, you have to get the players to fit their system. When you don't do that, disaster strikes.
I never liked MDA (he never felt like Laker material to me), but, I think the guy is a better coach than some of the coaches currently employed now. And I think he did better, with less, than both Mike Brown and Byron Scott.
In particular, that 27-win season featuring multiple D-Leaguers in the starting lineup and a 51-point franchise record quarter with both Kobe and Pau sidelined.
In either case, I don't think anyone "overvalues" MDA here at all. He's an NBA caliber coach, but not among the elite, and he can get a lot out of a point guard. I don't think I've seen a single post suggesting he is much more than that.
Saying MDA is better than Brown and Byron is not really saying much. All three stunk in their assignments with the Lakers. If you look back on the posts here, all three have been criticized pretty strongly. Byron only looks worse cause his win-loss record is so horrid. But all three grossly misused the players they had. The fact that Brown and MDA are not head coaches - up to this point - speaks volumes. Byron actually had two finals appearances; two more than MDA. MDA may have the knowledge of a more modern high octane offense but that doesn't mean he's a good coach. His inflexibility and poor communication really hinder him.
you could point to the high offense scoring but you also have to look at the record points allowed. MDA could never balance the two. And don't forget our bigs being lost on offense. I partly blame MDA for Pau and Dwight bolting.
Also, i don't think Phil was rigid. He won with three different teams. He could win with a dominant big (Shaq) or without (Will Purdue/Luc Longley). He wanted passing and defensive effort. I remember the lakers playing slow or fast tempo often during the Phil Jackson era.
My first instinct and my vote went to Byron Scott because he's statistically thee worst coach in NBA history but I dont expect Mike Brown to ever be a HC again either. Both are the correct answer.
Byron is just a sad sack. His approach to the game is old school 80's basketball which doesn't flow with this current type of basketball mentally he just can't connect with today players.
Byron is so old school I bet he has the jitterbug as his cell phone
Kool and the Gang's Celebration is his ringtone imo.
MDA would be, but if a team wants to tank Byron is the best out there.
I was just thinking that. Byron's only shot is if someone wants Josh Jackson next year. Than I think BS could man up and ISO another team into the upper echelon of the Lottery!!! _________________ Magic*Kobe*LBJ*AD*Cap
I mean, think about it. MDA won 27 freaking games with 2 d-leaguers starting for him. We had guys like Manny Harris, Marshon Brooks, Kendall Marshall, Shawne Williams, Xavier Henry.
Kobe didn't even play, Gasol missed 22 games, and our other key players were Wesley Johnson, Jodie Meeks, Nick Young.
Ok, just to highlight how, in retrospect, amazing MDA did with that garbage dump of a roster... we had a franchise record 51 pt quarter against the Knicks with the following lineup:
Starters
PG: Kendall Marshall
SG: Jodie Meeks
SF: Wesley Johnson
PF: Jordan Hill
C: Chris Kaman
Bench
Ryan Kelly
Kent Bazemore
Robert Sacre
Xavier Henry
Nick Young
Marshon Brooks
DNP
Pau Gasol
Kobe Bryant
Jordan Farmar
How is that even possible? Seriously.
Gave up 31 in that quarter too.
That's actually.. a good thing.
If you score 51 points in a quarter imagine the possessions not just you but the other side are getting.
So if you score 51 in a quarter and hold the other side to 31 you did a fine defensive job.
LOL Howard is so gone if D'Antoni coaches Houston, which is turning out to be the likely scenario. I don't think Houston cares about Howard anymore.
Hate to throw more shade on Byron after the draft lottery, but man, oh man, he needs a time machine to get another coaching gig. There is no way the league goes back to 90s style isolation ball. Larry Coon nailed it in his tweet:
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Lakers & Byron Scott parted ways. Byron now searching for a head coaching job in 1995.
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He would need strong assistants on offense and defense - which begs the question, why hire this guy when we can hire a younger guy who's good at one or the other and bring in help for him?
