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LakerLuke
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| kobeandgary wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | 1hu2ren3dui4 wrote: | | Ok. I was referring to the assertion that the #2 pick would be the next Durant. |
No, I doubt Ingram will be as good as Durant. But if he develops into a 20/6/3 guy with a knockdown three and great defense, we'll have a Paul George-level All-Star on our hands. |
You just described Mike Dunleavy Jr. there. |
This is the list of players who have ever averaged 20/6/3 for their career: http://bkref.com/tiny/U8J2I
Strangely, I don't see Mike Dunleavy on that list. |
Dunleavy's career highs were 19.1 and 5.9 and 3.5. So he would come just under that bar. |
And the rest of his career he was 11/4/2... |
Yeah, but assuming he averaged Dunleavy's career highs, I wouldn't be all that satisfied. While that would be a good player, I'm hoping we can do better at the #2 spot. |
If there isn't that caliber player available at the two spot then there is just nothing you can do but take the best player and hope for the best (trades aside) |
I agree, if that's the best available, then that's who you take. But I think Hield can be a better player than that. Especially under Luke's system. |
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| kobeandgary wrote: | | KingKobe20 wrote: | Wait what some posters are comparing B Ingram to Mike Dunleavy???
I see a different attitude in Brandon's game. I highly doubt he settles for just "good enough". This kid has a killer instinct and after he puts up maybe 30-40 pounds in muscle he has the potential to be great. |
He just needs to improve his handles, right now they are subpar. |
I'm confident he'll be able to show off more of his ball handling skills in a more spread out NBA game
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LakerLuke
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| KingKobe20 wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | KingKobe20 wrote: | Wait what some posters are comparing B Ingram to Mike Dunleavy???
I see a different attitude in Brandon's game. I highly doubt he settles for just "good enough". This kid has a killer instinct and after he puts up maybe 30-40 pounds in muscle he has the potential to be great. |
http://espn.go.com/nbadraft/tracker/player?playerId=18349
Positives: ....was the toughest matchup in college basketball this past season. He can score from the 3-point line, college or pro. He can score along the offensive glass. He can finish along the baseline and get fouled. When he's at the free-throw line, he makes a high percentage of shots.
Negatives: ....still needs to develop his body and he could use another season at Duke to be physically stronger. He's already got the mental aspect of the game down and is extremely coachable.
Summary: ....a top-five talent and should stay in the draft if he can go that high. He might not be ready to contribute because of his body, but he should be a Dirk Nowitzki-type talent for years to come in the NBA. |
From the 5-6 Duke games I watched this past season I definitely agree on the a Dirk comparisons. I feel his slashing game is a bit underrated and will be highlighted more in the NBA with the floor spacing. (No Zone defenses) |
You realize that scouting report was for Mike Dunleavy coming out of Duke, right? That's how highly regarded he was coming out. That's why the comparison to Ingram is being made. |
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kobeandgary
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLuke wrote: | | KingKobe20 wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | KingKobe20 wrote: | Wait what some posters are comparing B Ingram to Mike Dunleavy???
I see a different attitude in Brandon's game. I highly doubt he settles for just "good enough". This kid has a killer instinct and after he puts up maybe 30-40 pounds in muscle he has the potential to be great. |
http://espn.go.com/nbadraft/tracker/player?playerId=18349
Positives: ....was the toughest matchup in college basketball this past season. He can score from the 3-point line, college or pro. He can score along the offensive glass. He can finish along the baseline and get fouled. When he's at the free-throw line, he makes a high percentage of shots.
Negatives: ....still needs to develop his body and he could use another season at Duke to be physically stronger. He's already got the mental aspect of the game down and is extremely coachable.
Summary: ....a top-five talent and should stay in the draft if he can go that high. He might not be ready to contribute because of his body, but he should be a Dirk Nowitzki-type talent for years to come in the NBA. |
From the 5-6 Duke games I watched this past season I definitely agree on the a Dirk comparisons. I feel his slashing game is a bit underrated and will be highlighted more in the NBA with the floor spacing. (No Zone defenses) |
You realize that scouting report was for Mike Dunleavy coming out of Duke, right? That's how highly regarded he was coming out. That's why the comparison to Ingram is being made. |
They both have similar strengths and weaknesses. |
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kobeandgary
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| KingKobe20 wrote: | | kobeandgary wrote: | | KingKobe20 wrote: | Wait what some posters are comparing B Ingram to Mike Dunleavy???
I see a different attitude in Brandon's game. I highly doubt he settles for just "good enough". This kid has a killer instinct and after he puts up maybe 30-40 pounds in muscle he has the potential to be great. |
He just needs to improve his handles, right now they are subpar. |
I'm confident he'll be able to show off more of his ball handling skills in a more spread out NBA game |
I don't know about show them off as its not a strength of his, just like it's not a strength of Kawhi Leonard. |
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| kobeandgary wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | Why is Mike Dunleavy Jr. name keep being brought up when talking about Ingram? If Ingram turned into MDJ the Lakers would be destroyed. That horror is something that can not happen. So, stop talking about it.
Ingram needs to be our Durant. Russell will be our Harden with better vision. That is a pretty damn good draft in back to back drafts.
Lakers surround those guys with excellent vets at key positions and the Lakers have a shot at creating some serious noise the next few years. |
I question Russell having better vision than Harden. Harden just averaged 7.5 assists as a two guard to go along with 29 points. |
I believe Russell will be a 10 assist PG if the right coaching is there to make it happen for him.
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| LakerLuke wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | LakerLuke wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | 1hu2ren3dui4 wrote: | | Ok. I was referring to the assertion that the #2 pick would be the next Durant. |
No, I doubt Ingram will be as good as Durant. But if he develops into a 20/6/3 guy with a knockdown three and great defense, we'll have a Paul George-level All-Star on our hands. |
You just described Mike Dunleavy Jr. there. |
This is the list of players who have ever averaged 20/6/3 for their career: http://bkref.com/tiny/U8J2I
Strangely, I don't see Mike Dunleavy on that list. |
Dunleavy's career highs were 19.1 and 5.9 and 3.5. So he would come just under that bar. |
And the rest of his career he was 11/4/2... |
Yeah, but assuming he averaged Dunleavy's career highs, I wouldn't be all that satisfied. While that would be a good player, I'm hoping we can do better at the #2 spot. |
The #2 Pick isn't the same every year. This year it's a 2 player draft and neither will be perennial All-Stars. |
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Oliver Reed wrote: | | kobeandgary wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | Why is Mike Dunleavy Jr. name keep being brought up when talking about Ingram? If Ingram turned into MDJ the Lakers would be destroyed. That horror is something that can not happen. So, stop talking about it.
Ingram needs to be our Durant. Russell will be our Harden with better vision. That is a pretty damn good draft in back to back drafts.
Lakers surround those guys with excellent vets at key positions and the Lakers have a shot at creating some serious noise the next few years. |
I question Russell having better vision than Harden. Harden just averaged 7.5 assists as a two guard to go along with 29 points. |
I believe Russell will be a 10 assist PG if the right coaching is there to make it happen for him. |
He will need some deadly shooters or we will have to shoot a ton of threes because rarely does he find people in the paint, the way other high assist guards do, even Huertas was getting people looks at the basket more often. |
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| Oliver Reed wrote: | | kobeandgary wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | Why is Mike Dunleavy Jr. name keep being brought up when talking about Ingram? If Ingram turned into MDJ the Lakers would be destroyed. That horror is something that can not happen. So, stop talking about it.
Ingram needs to be our Durant. Russell will be our Harden with better vision. That is a pretty damn good draft in back to back drafts.
Lakers surround those guys with excellent vets at key positions and the Lakers have a shot at creating some serious noise the next few years. |
I question Russell having better vision than Harden. Harden just averaged 7.5 assists as a two guard to go along with 29 points. |
I believe Russell will be a 10 assist PG if the right coaching is there to make it happen for him. |
I include decision making into vision equation and imo harden fails there where dlo is elite |
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| kobeandgary wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | kobeandgary wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | Why is Mike Dunleavy Jr. name keep being brought up when talking about Ingram? If Ingram turned into MDJ the Lakers would be destroyed. That horror is something that can not happen. So, stop talking about it.
Ingram needs to be our Durant. Russell will be our Harden with better vision. That is a pretty damn good draft in back to back drafts.
Lakers surround those guys with excellent vets at key positions and the Lakers have a shot at creating some serious noise the next few years. |
I question Russell having better vision than Harden. Harden just averaged 7.5 assists as a two guard to go along with 29 points. |
I believe Russell will be a 10 assist PG if the right coaching is there to make it happen for him. |
He will need some deadly shooters or we will have to shoot a ton of threes because rarely does he find people in the paint, the way other high assist guards do, even Huertas was getting people looks at the basket more often. |
Sure he does. Better than most. Problem is guys werent ready for his elite passing in traffic. |
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2016 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | kobeandgary wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | Why is Mike Dunleavy Jr. name keep being brought up when talking about Ingram? If Ingram turned into MDJ the Lakers would be destroyed. That horror is something that can not happen. So, stop talking about it.
Ingram needs to be our Durant. Russell will be our Harden with better vision. That is a pretty damn good draft in back to back drafts.
Lakers surround those guys with excellent vets at key positions and the Lakers have a shot at creating some serious noise the next few years. |
I question Russell having better vision than Harden. Harden just averaged 7.5 assists as a two guard to go along with 29 points. |
I believe Russell will be a 10 assist PG if the right coaching is there to make it happen for him. |
I include decision making into vision equation and imo harden fails there where dlo is elite |
Russell made poor decision after poor decision this year along with terrible pass after terrible pass. He isn't in the same breath as Harden in any aspect of the game of basketball at this point of his career, Harden just averaged 29 and 7.5 assists. |
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| kobeandgary wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | kobeandgary wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | Why is Mike Dunleavy Jr. name keep being brought up when talking about Ingram? If Ingram turned into MDJ the Lakers would be destroyed. That horror is something that can not happen. So, stop talking about it.
Ingram needs to be our Durant. Russell will be our Harden with better vision. That is a pretty damn good draft in back to back drafts.
Lakers surround those guys with excellent vets at key positions and the Lakers have a shot at creating some serious noise the next few years. |
I question Russell having better vision than Harden. Harden just averaged 7.5 assists as a two guard to go along with 29 points. |
I believe Russell will be a 10 assist PG if the right coaching is there to make it happen for him. |
I include decision making into vision equation and imo harden fails there where dlo is elite |
Russell made poor decision after poor decision this year along with terrible pass after terrible pass. He isn't in the same breath as Harden in any aspect of the game of basketball at this point of his career, Harden just averaged 29 and 7.5 assists. |
You just compared the stats of a 19 year old rookie who barely played before all star to someone who plays 38 mins a game and has been playing for several years
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| When the mouthpiece of the Lakers all of a sudden is suggesting that Ingram is not good enough to warrant them using the pick I get the feeling that the front office actually wants Ingram over Simmons. |
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| Of course we all hope that Ingram becomes a superstar but if he does not reach that status having a career equal to Tayshaun Prince is not anything to be ashamed of; Prince has had a very nice career and was an integral part of some very good teams. |
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| 1hu2ren3dui4 wrote: | | When the mouthpiece of the Lakers all of a sudden is suggesting that Ingram is not good enough to warrant them using the pick I get the feeling that the front office actually wants Ingram over Simmons. |
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The ONE thing you never hear is:
John Ireland compared to Chick Hearn or Vin Scully..
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| unleasHell wrote: | The ONE thing you never hear is:
John Ireland compared to Chick Hearn or Vin Scully..
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He's not even in Billy Mac's and Joel Meyer's league.
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| kobeandgary wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | kobeandgary wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | Why is Mike Dunleavy Jr. name keep being brought up when talking about Ingram? If Ingram turned into MDJ the Lakers would be destroyed. That horror is something that can not happen. So, stop talking about it.
Ingram needs to be our Durant. Russell will be our Harden with better vision. That is a pretty damn good draft in back to back drafts.
Lakers surround those guys with excellent vets at key positions and the Lakers have a shot at creating some serious noise the next few years. |
I question Russell having better vision than Harden. Harden just averaged 7.5 assists as a two guard to go along with 29 points. |
I believe Russell will be a 10 assist PG if the right coaching is there to make it happen for him. |
He will need some deadly shooters or we will have to shoot a ton of threes because rarely does he find people in the paint, the way other high assist guards do, even Huertas was getting people looks at the basket more often. |
It's hard to find people in the paint if people aren't rolling to the basket or moving in general. But Russell would find them if people moved without the ball. Clarkson was often a beneficiary of these passes.
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | The ONE thing you never hear is:
John Ireland compared to Chick Hearn or Vin Scully..
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He's not even in Billy Mac's and Joel Meyer's league. |
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| City_Dawg wrote: | | 1hu2ren3dui4 wrote: | | When the mouthpiece of the Lakers all of a sudden is suggesting that Ingram is not good enough to warrant them using the pick I get the feeling that the front office actually wants Ingram over Simmons. |
"You know nothing John Ireland" |
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Fastbreak32 wrote: | | City_Dawg wrote: | | 1hu2ren3dui4 wrote: | | When the mouthpiece of the Lakers all of a sudden is suggesting that Ingram is not good enough to warrant them using the pick I get the feeling that the front office actually wants Ingram over Simmons. |
"You know nothing John Ireland" |
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| Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| 1hu2ren3dui4 wrote: | | When the mouthpiece of the Lakers all of a sudden is suggesting that Ingram is not good enough to warrant them using the pick I get the feeling that the front office actually wants Ingram over Simmons. |
As far back as the '84 draft the Lakers mislead the media. When asked who they were interested in, West gave a couple names as a smoke screen but later with the 23rd pick, they surpised everyone and drafted A.C. Green.
There's nobody with reliable knowledge of Lakers operations who will disclose any of their ideas, plans, or thoughts to the media. If there's interest in a trade, we could hear about it from the other team or an agent, but it's foolish to believe that any reporter has an inside scoop. |
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| wonder if phoenix considers sending booker to the lakers for the pick... |
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| dino wrote: | | wonder if phoenix considers sending booker to the lakers for the pick... |
they would. lakers wouldn't |
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| Unless we get a player like AD. I can't see it happening and us getting a player like him is really unlikely. We need a SF really bad too |
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