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Championship |
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Deep playoffs |
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Playoffs |
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Playoffs? Don't talk about—playoffs?! You kidding me? Playoffs?! |
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Lottery purgatory |
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gng930 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:28 am Post subject: Ultimate potential of our young core (BUMP) |
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Assuming worst case scenario and we aren't able to attain any star free agents in the coming years, how far do you see our young core ultimately getting if they all play to their potential with Luke at the helm?
Zubac
Randle
Ingram
JC
DLO
Bench: Black, Nance, Brown
At this team's collective peak, how far do you see them going?
EDIT: D'oh the last option should be cellar-dweller purgatory. Doesn't look like I can edit poll options.
EDIT: Gotta include Zubac in this discussion now. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
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Legacy Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:49 am Post subject: |
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IMO Ingram and DLO have star potential. Success might make all-stars out of some of our other players as well. Since we're talking "potential" here, I voted Championship. I mean, why not?
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I in no way mean this coming season. |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:55 am Post subject: |
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This coming season, with no big FA, I'd be ecstatic fighting for the 8th spot |
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lakurluv Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Chemistry is everything for the future of this Lakers Team. No matter what players we obtain through draft or free agency, that team of individuals will need to learn to play as a team... People can say what they want about GSW, rather they win back to back or not, but GSW plays as a team and their Chemistry is the best int he NBA. The Spurs have the same level of Chemistry and has had it for many years, that's why they've always been atop the league... The Lakers have had it in eras in spurts, but to build another dynasty it will be greatly needed.
Offense:
Whenever Huertas was on the Floor for the Lakers, you were able to see his unselfish play and ability to get others involved, which resulted in good basketball. From an offensive standpoint that will be the key. It should be obvious that Kobe won't be around for teammates to ball watch, so I expect more ball movement from this group of youngsters and a greater showing on the offensive side of the ball with a balance of scoring...
Defense:
If this group doesn't learn to stop the other teams from scoring it won't matter how great they play offensively. We need inside and perimeter defenders on this team. Whiteside or Biyombo should be targets simply because they are big defenders inside. Biyombo is smaller at 6'8-6'9 at center, but that's the league anyways right now.
Overall:
We have the talent to make it happen, JC-Russ-Randle are a great Trio of core players to build this team around. I definitely wouldn't trade JC simply because we can keep him at a reasonable price and he's proven himself and gotten better each year since his rookie season. Randle and Russ will no doubt do the same.
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Draft and Free Agency:
The Sixers will draft Simmons just to spite the league and then move Okafor to the Celtics for the 3rd overall and get their wing in Hield. Lakers will get the consolation in Ingram, which could be a better defender than Durant in the long run. Saving us $$$ on the Durant sweepstakes. Harrison Barnes is restricted and I doubt we get him but it's worth a shot, but we need a 3! I think Ingram should play the 2 for the Lakers because of his weight. 3's will eat him up in the post at this level, some 2's might as well. Other than that we need to go after good solid defenders, don't just spend money because we can, KD is the only real prize this free agency and IMO he's going somewhere else. I'd actually prefer that! |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:27 am Post subject: |
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Star potential: DLO, 2nd pick
Long-time starter/borderline all star: Randle
Long-time starter on a championship squad: JC
Role players: Nance, Tarik. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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nash Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:48 am Post subject: |
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It's just impossible to predict how young players will develop long term, but to win in this league you should be able to defend and our young core overall is almost completely inept on defense. Nance is a decent team defender, but he lacks strength to contain stronger players and Brown our only other young player who had some good moments has yet to prove he belongs to NBA.
Russell and Clarkson are huge defensive liabilities. Russell had a few good moments using his smarts to anticipate plays, but his awareness overall is terrible just like Randle another potential defender without a clue about what to do just like Clarkson. Black is not that big and is not a physical defender being also foul prone.
Next season without significant additions this team is going to be bad again.
In a couple of seasons with a coach willing to teach what to do there is some hope, but these guys are far from a competitive squad at this moment.
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:55 am Post subject: |
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Championships without question. |
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Denny_Russo Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Ingram and Russell will be superstars.
I think they will win the championship in 3 years. _________________ Yi Jianlian Fanboy. Respect The Chair.
Starting anew. I'm retiring my main. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:08 am Post subject: |
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With 3 max slots available during the 2016 and 2017 free agency time periods, I just have a hard time seeing the young core be the primary impetus (though I understand the premise of this thread).
What concerns me more is if we miss out on the top FAs, whether the FO will be tempted to trade any one of DLO/Top 2 pick to get another proven star. It's not that I don't want a proven star, but that I hope we get one via FA while keeping the young prospects. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:20 am Post subject: |
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It's doubtful they build a makeshift contender again, as they are still paying the price for the Howard, Nash trades. Either they win one from the ground up or they won't win one at all. |
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Four Decade Bandwagon Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:22 am Post subject: |
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I voted deep playoffs.
Even with an optimistic opinion of the development of all the young players, I still think there are some major weaknesses in just those players to win a ring.
Size and impact in the middle for one. I like Black but as a the full time starter he will struggle at times. Especially against the elite teams and centers he would face in a Championship run. Lakers need a center.
Luckily the Lakers do not have to rely on just these players. Adding to this young foundation through free agency over the next two years is going to be huge.
Either adding complimentary players or maybe more importantly making the young guys the complimentary players has me optimistic of improvement and the Lakers back to contender status in a couple years. |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:26 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Star potential: DLO, 2nd pick
Long-time starter/borderline all star: Randle
Long-time starter on a championship squad: JC
Role players: Nance, Tarik. |
Those are still lofty goals but I'm cautiously optimistic
Imagine they 'get there' in 3 years, we have a squad full of 25 yr all stars entering their prime... |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:27 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Star potential: DLO, 2nd pick
Long-time starter/borderline all star: Randle
Long-time starter on a championship squad: JC
Role players: Nance, Tarik. |
Those are still lofty goals but I'm cautiously optimistic
Imagine they 'get there' in 3 years, we have a squad full of 25 yr all stars entering their prime... |
Yeah. But like turtles that hatch and try to make it out to sea, some will not make it (i.e. be traded) IMO. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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governator Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:28 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Star potential: DLO, 2nd pick
Long-time starter/borderline all star: Randle
Long-time starter on a championship squad: JC
Role players: Nance, Tarik. |
Those are still lofty goals but I'm cautiously optimistic
Imagine they 'get there' in 3 years, we have a squad full of 25 yr all stars entering their prime... |
Yeah. But like turtles that hatch and try to make it out to sea, some will not make it (i.e. be traded) IMO. |
but that's cause we trade the hatchlings for a bigger turtle |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:30 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Star potential: DLO, 2nd pick
Long-time starter/borderline all star: Randle
Long-time starter on a championship squad: JC
Role players: Nance, Tarik. |
Those are still lofty goals but I'm cautiously optimistic
Imagine they 'get there' in 3 years, we have a squad full of 25 yr all stars entering their prime... |
Yeah. But like turtles that hatch and try to make it out to sea, some will not make it (i.e. be traded) IMO. |
but that's cause we trade the hatchlings for a bigger turtle |
Yeah. Out of DLO/JC/Randle/top 2 pick/32nd pick/Nance/Black/Brown, I'd be surprised if we kept 5 of them 3 years from now. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Nance, Ingram and Russell will be lifers IMO.
Randle will need a jumper and I can see management parting ways if he doesn't improve in that area. Clarkson might end up being the best 6th man in the league if we add depth. |
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KBH Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:49 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Star potential: DLO, 2nd pick
Long-time starter/borderline all star: Randle
Long-time starter on a championship squad: JC
Role players: Nance, Tarik. |
This. |
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oldschool32 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:51 am Post subject: |
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It's too hard to say right now. I have high hopes for the young guys. Individual potential I see as:
Ingram/Simmons:Franchise player
Russell:All star/bubble franchise player
Randle:Starter/bubble all star player
Clarkson:Starter/6th man
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Nance:High energy bench player
Black:3rd string to backup center
Obviously as a core, we need the entire unit to develop and reach their full potential. That said, this team will go as far as Russell and Simmons/Ingram take it.
Again, we are just talking about POTENTIAL. Unlikely that all four reach their potential, but hopefully Russell and the #2 do, because they have the most potential. _________________ "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."-The Greatest |
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Dave20 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Deep playoffs in 3 years. Championship caliber team in 5 years. |
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Legacy Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Mindripper2000 wrote: | Nance, Ingram and Russell will be lifers IMO.
Randle will need a jumper and I can see management parting ways if he doesn't improve in that area. Clarkson might end up being the best 6th man in the league if we add depth. |
Yes to all of this. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Mindripper2000 wrote: | Nance, Ingram and Russell will be lifers IMO.
Randle will need a jumper and I can see management parting ways if he doesn't improve in that area. Clarkson might end up being the best 6th man in the league if we add depth. |
Interesting that of the players you mentioned (minus Ingram, he isn't a Laker), the FO is highest on Randle.
As for the poll, I wasn't sure of the timeframe. I voted playoffs long term, but for this season, high lottery. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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SweetP Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:19 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | Nance, Ingram and Russell will be lifers IMO.
Randle will need a jumper and I can see management parting ways if he doesn't improve in that area. Clarkson might end up being the best 6th man in the league if we add depth. |
Interesting that of the players you mentioned (minus Ingram, he isn't a Laker), the FO is highest on Randle.
As for the poll, I wasn't sure of the timeframe. I voted playoffs long term, but for this season, high lottery. |
I agree, if it is just these young players and no significant new additions, lottery this season and playoffs in few years, maybe deep playoffs if one or more really break out. There are teams currently with a couple of really, really good players and decent surrounding players that aren't winning championships tho'.
But the Lakers FO will add more pieces, get rid of those who's potential fizzles and aim for the ultimate prize again. _________________ “There is always light if only we're brave enough to see it, if only we're brave enough to be it.” --Amanda Gorman |
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audioaxes Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:57 am Post subject: |
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something common you see from the very top teams in the NBA:
warriors
thunder
spurs
cavs
...Are not just multiple all stars but atleast one top 10 level player. As of now I'm not confident you can project either DLO or Ingram as a top 10 |
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Vancouver Fan Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:58 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Star potential: DLO, 2nd pick
Long-time starter/borderline all star: Randle
Long-time starter on a championship squad: JC
Role players: Nance, Tarik. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:24 am Post subject: |
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audioaxes wrote: | something common you see from the very top teams in the NBA:
warriors
thunder
spurs
cavs
...Are not just multiple all stars but atleast one top 10 level player. As of now I'm not confident you can project either DLO or Ingram as a top 10 |
Well, they're currently 20 and 18 years old. I'd give it a little time, no? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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