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FanOfFour
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:30 am Post subject:

LandsbergerRules wrote:

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MJST wrote:

No but they got swept twice 4-0 didn't they? :O

Actually yes... they got swept by the 76ers, the team they beat for the championship in their rematch.... and then were also swept by the Pistons the year after they beat them in the Finals AND going undefeated in the Playoffs till then...

I'm pretty sure that still stings.

Does that matter? Those weren't the Showtime Lakers. James Worthy broke his leg before the 1983 playoffs and didn't even play in the Finals. In 1989 the entire starting backcourt missed almost the entire series against Detroit. When Magic and Scott were out it WASN'T Showtime. That's like having Curry and Thompson go out with injuries, get swept, and saying something like "See the Warriors are overrated!"

Also the Sixers were a 65 win team that was 12-1 in the playoffs and Detroit was a 63 win team that would repeat the next year and made the Finals 3 years in a row. The Cavs are one of the weaker championship teams and it's laughable to compare them to those teams.

I can't believe a Laker fan in a Laker forum would bring up 1989 with the injuries to the entire starting backcourt.

Yeah, it's weird to bring up '89. Going up against the Bad Boys without a starter and then losing Magic a game and a half into it? Imagine the 90s Bulls trying to beat prime Bad Boys without MJ and another of their starters.

Yeah, that was a stupid example. Not only that, it should be fairly obvious that when people refer to the Showtime Lakers or the Bad Boy Pistons, MJ's Bulls or Larry's Celtics, they mean the iterations that actually won. Not some year the team failed. Klay saying that this current iteration of GSW is better BEFORE they actually won is what invites posters to crap on his comments, kidding or not. That makes all the hypothetical arguments in GSW's favor collapse like a house of cards because it doesn't have the title this season to stand on. Hell, if you're silly enough to actually believe they could beat Showtime, then by transitive property the Cavs are better too

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:32 am Post subject:

Klay morphed into clay

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:32 am Post subject:

Yeah. 89 was hard to take. If you lose with everyone there, that's how it goes. The team was not all there and was never a true rematch. Everyone including BSPN forgets to mention that. Bye. _________________ "This trophy removes the most odious sentence in the English Language. It can never be said again that 'the Lakers have never beaten the Celtics.'" -Dr. Jerry Buss (1985) R.I.P., 33 x M.V.O.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:44 am Post subject:

gumby wrote:

Yeah. 89 was hard to take. If you lose with everyone there, that's how it goes.

The team was not all there and was never a true rematch.

Everyone including BSPN forgets to mention that.

Bye.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:51 am Post subject:

24ways2die wrote:

They couldnt beat the Divac Lakers let alone the showtime Lakers

This ^ That would be a great series to watch actually.... Ppl just don't realize how watered down the NBA has become.

Vlade vs Bogut
Campbell vs Green
Ceballos vs Barnes
Jones vs Thompson
VanExel vs Curry

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Lakers : Peeler, Lynch, Rambis, Threatt
Warrirors : Iggy, Livinston, Barbosa, Ezili(spell)

the Van Exel vs Curry matchup would be amazing !

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:00 am Post subject:

KobeDunk wrote:

24ways2die wrote:

They couldnt beat the Divac Lakers let alone the showtime Lakers

Wow, when you look at that matchup you might just be on to something.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:44 am Post subject:

Steve007 wrote:

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So the Showtime Lakers never lost a final?

Not when up 3-1 in the series.

Well there are plenty of so-called Laker fans on LG. They root against our own super star players for whatever reason. There are some who even disappeared when Kobe scored 60 points in his final game because they couldn't stand all of the praise he was getting.

If GS would have won I guarantee some Laker fans would have agreed with Klay.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:49 am Post subject:

KobeDunk wrote:

24ways2die wrote:

They couldnt beat the Divac Lakers let alone the showtime Lakers

Yeah, I'd easily take the Warriors in that series. Green would eat that team alive. Campbell was a good leaper, but not quick on his feet. The Lakers' best bet would be to hit the glass really hard.
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 8:44 am Post subject:

LandsbergerRules wrote:

Klay: "We feel like we're still the best team in the world."
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:16374681

What right do they have to feel that way after losing in historic fashion? Just shut and move on. Your season was a failure.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:00 am Post subject:

MJST wrote:

JoJo Dancer wrote:

kaoss128 wrote:

So the Showtime Lakers never lost a final?

Not when up 3-1 in the series.

I'm pretty sure there is more to the story ... like losing half the team to injuries ..... But history will never remember that.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:08 am Post subject:

Dwarf Nebula wrote:

MJST wrote:

JoJo Dancer wrote:

kaoss128 wrote:

So the Showtime Lakers never lost a final?

Not when up 3-1 in the series.

I'm pretty sure there is more to the story ... like losing half the team to injuries ..... But history will never remember that.

It won't because injuries happen.

Injuries, suspensions and such happen but I'd anyone brings it up its considered am excuse.

You could think of one for any finals the Lakers ever lost.

What if they had Worthy in the Sixers series
What if they hadn't gotten run to death by Riley vs Detroit
What if they had a healthy worthy and Scott vs The Bulls

None of it factors in in the grand scheme as it would be charted down as excuses or "these things happen".

You could do it with Golden State and say what if Bogut wasn't uurt, what if Draymond wasn't suspended, what if Curry wasn't playing with an injured knee from the 1st round onward.

You say all those things you get a "they lost...period!" And all else is "excuses."

So mo, wasn't a bad example at all. It's Finals Basketball and predicaments.

Would the Warriors have won if Steph wasn't on one leg from the first tound, Bogut and Iggy wasn't injured and Green wasn't suspended?

Same kind of questions Lakers fans asked themselves when they were swept out of the finals twice. But at the end of the day a loss is a loss as nothing is promised.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:17 am Post subject:

MJST wrote:

Dwarf Nebula wrote:

MJST wrote:

JoJo Dancer wrote:

kaoss128 wrote:

So the Showtime Lakers never lost a final?

Not when up 3-1 in the series.

I'm pretty sure there is more to the story ... like losing half the team to injuries ..... But history will never remember that.

Yeah you're right. Shame on Magic for not winning any games in 92, 93 and 94! Who cares if he was out with HIV? Enough with the excuses! Showtime sucks! They didn't even win 40 games in some of those years!

Do you blame Kobe for not winning any playoff games with Howard in 2013? Who cares if Kobe didn't play in the playoffs right? Kobe was injured but I guess we're not supposed to care about those things.

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Would the Warriors have won if Steph wasn't on one leg from the first tound, Bogut and Iggy wasn't injured and Green wasn't suspended?

Green played games 1-4 and games 6-7 in the Finals when the Warriors had a 3-2 lead in the series. He looked great in game 7. As for Curry, the team was good enough to come back from 3-1 against OKC and was up 3-1 against the Cavs so your examples are ridiculous. Unlike Magic Curry actually played in every game in the Finals. Do you really think that Lakers team even makes the Finals without Magic and Scott? Iggy looked bad in game 6 but I didn't notice him in any pain in game 7. Bogut was just a role player so you've got to be kidding me with that example being compared to the injuries in 89.

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You say all those things you get a "they lost...period!" And all else is "excuses."

Nobody is arguing that Showtime was any good without its entire starting backcourt. Talk about missing the point! Do you think the Warriors are the same team without Steph and Klay?

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:41 am Post subject:

Steve007 wrote:

MJST wrote:

Dwarf Nebula wrote:

MJST wrote:

JoJo Dancer wrote:

kaoss128 wrote:

So the Showtime Lakers never lost a final?

Not when up 3-1 in the series.

I'm pretty sure there is more to the story ... like losing half the team to injuries ..... But history will never remember that.

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Would the Warriors have won if Steph wasn't on one leg from the first tound, Bogut and Iggy wasn't injured and Green wasn't suspended?

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You say all those things you get a "they lost...period!" And all else is "excuses."

Nobody is arguing that Showtime was any good without its entire starting backcourt. Talk about missing the point! Do you think the Warriors are the same team without Steph and Klay?

Yeah cause a team that makes the finals is the same as a team that's missing their star for a year and is a lotto team.

Dunno what point you were trying to make.

And nope the Warriors aren't. They aren't the same team with an injured steph a hurt Iggy no Bogut and a suspended Green.

However none of that is stopping their team from being bashed or ot being called a collasal choke effort now is it?

Just as no mercy was given to Magic when they called him "Tragic" Johnson and labeled HIM a choke artist for that finals performance.

But when it's not the Lakers it's ok. Double standards are double standards regardless how you slice it.

So let's not act like we weren't on the other end of that.

Also we made it to the finals without Worthy and got swept.

We made it to the finals with an injured Malone and got beat in 5, we made it to the finals with no Bynum or Ariza and got beat by the Celtics. None of those excuses came up till we lost. Cause we were the favorites going into each of those. And all were more one sided than the 7 game series we just saw.

So we lost in more one sided fashion despite making the finals under all those circumstances too. Twice with Phil freaking Jackson as our coach.

Werw we failures? We're we choke artists? We're we a waste? No

So it's pointless to be petty right now. We should be more secure in ourselves as an organization that we don't have to gloat about another team falling.

OUR MENTALITY SHOULD BE THAT WE WANT TO BE THE TEAM THAT DOES IT. not living vicariously through a team whose owner cost us Chris Paul.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:36 am Post subject:

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And nope the Warriors aren't. They aren't the same team with an injured steph a hurt Iggy no Bogut and a suspended Green.

The stuff about Steph being injured is speculation, not proof. Steph said he wasn't injured. Maybe more news will come out soon, but right now it's all speculation at best. Maybe he wasn't injured and he just can't deal with the Cavs defense; he didn't play his best against them last year either. As for the other guys, how many were as good as Magic and Scott? How many were HOF players? And Green WAS NOT suspended when the Warriors choked away games 6 and 7! Please stop with that BS! He played in the series. And the one game he was suspended he deserved it because he likes to touch balls.

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Yeah cause a team that makes the finals is the same as a team that's missing their star for a year and is a lotto team.

You're the one who made the clear implication that Magic and Scott not playing was not a good excuse for losing the series, and you implied that we should think less of those players because they lost. Then you want to say that at other times when Magic didn't win because he didn't play, that we shouldn't think less of him as a player. And we also shouldn't think less of the Warriors according to you because of the much weaker excuses you have for them. You're all over the place.

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Yeah cause a team that makes the finals is the same as a team that's missing their star for a year and is a lotto team.

The team that lost to Detroit was NOT the team that made the Finals! Magic and Scott played in the earlier rounds!

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And nope the Warriors aren't. They aren't the same team with an injured steph a hurt Iggy no Bogut and a suspended Green.

Lol as that being anymore near as bad as not having Curry and Klay, or the Lakers not having Worthy and Scott. I'm sure the 89 Lakers would have loved to have the Warriors "problems."

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:55 am Post subject:

You obviously didnt read a thing I said.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:00 pm Post subject:

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However none of that is stopping their team from being bashed or ot being called a collasal choke effort now is it?

They should be bashed and it was a huge choke. That might be the biggest choke I've ever seen in the NBA.

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Just as no mercy was given to Magic when they called him "Tragic" Johnson and labeled HIM a choke artist for that finals performance.

This happened in 1989? I don't buy it, but you can go ahead and back it up with some evidence if you're right.

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But when it's not the Lakers it's ok. Double standards are double standards regardless how you slice it.

The only double standards I see are you bashing the Showtime Lakers when they had devastating injuries and then defending Golden State which had all their star players and were only missing one role player and Green got a well deserved 1 game suspension.

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Also we made it to the finals without Worthy and got swept.

Oh yeah that James Worthy guy. He was pretty good. And so was that 65 win Sixer team that was 12-1 in the playoffs.

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So it's pointless to be petty right now. We should be more secure in ourselves as an organization that we don't have to gloat about another team falling.

Seems like you are gloating over the fact a couple of Laker teams got swept in the Finals.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:06 pm Post subject:

MJST wrote:

You obviously didnt read a thing I said.

No I just think some of your comments are really silly. Your response to Magic and Scott being injured is to conplain about the Warriors injuries and the 1 game suspension. But the only player who missed time with an injury was Bogut.

When you attack Showtime you are attacking Magic and Scott and putting some blame on them for not doing better in the 89 Finals. That's ridiculous. If you think the Lakers bench or any bench could beat that Pistons team that's silly. The only bench that would probably have a shot against them was the Dream Team bench. Even MJ didn't beat that team and you think less of Showtime because the bench couldn't beat them which is really silly.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:55 pm Post subject:

The Warriors were lucky to have avoided the Spurs the past 2 playoffs. The Warriors have won only 1 game at San Antonio in the past 20 seasons and that was this year. So they are like 1- 32 in the past 40 games at San Antonio. Curry, Thompspn, and Draymond were 0-7 vs Spurs on the road prior to finally winning at the end of the year at San Antonio.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:31 pm Post subject:

Kooper 21 wrote:

The Warriors were lucky to have avoided the Spurs the past 2 playoffs. The Warriors have won only 1 game at San Antonio in the past 20 seasons and that was this year. So they are like 1- 32 in the past 40 games at San Antonio. Curry, Thompspn, and Draymond were 0-7 vs Spurs on the road prior to finally winning at the end of the year at San Antonio.

The Spurs came up short 2 years in a row. It wasn't 'luck' it was the Spurs not being able to get it done and Duncan being completely done along with Parker being nearly completely done.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 2:48 pm Post subject:

The 2016 Warriors are bar-none the biggest choke job the NBA History has ever seen. When it comes down to it up 3-1, losing 3 straight with Game 7 on their own home court, and to top it off, to the land of CLEVELAND, who hasn't seen anything but badluck for 52 years. As a side note, how fitting was the season, Kobe stole their thunder in their 73rd game with his Legendary final performance, and Lebron stole the Warriors and their fans hearts in the final game of the season. Somewhere these Puppets are high fiving each other. http://lh5.ggpht.com/_YODg65nll_o/SiTQptaGJGI/AAAAAAABwdc/piSlTQgLbQQ/s1000/news_mvpuppets-t-shirt-3.jpg

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:37 pm Post subject:

After this series we know they wouldn't beat the Showtime Lakers _________________ Lake Show

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:48 pm Post subject:

MJST wrote:

Kooper 21 wrote:

The Spurs came up short 2 years in a row. It wasn't 'luck' it was the Spurs not being able to get it done and Duncan being completely done along with Parker being nearly completely done.

No they were lucky to have avoided them. Lakers were lucky they avoided Celtics in 2009 due to KG's injury. Its about matchups and the Warriors dont play well at San Antonio for some reason. The 86 Celtics whom some call the best team ever was lucky the Lakers choked in 86 to the Rockets.

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:12 pm Post subject:

Worthy42 wrote:

The 2016 Warriors are bar-none the biggest choke job the NBA History has ever seen. When it comes down to it up 3-1, losing 3 straight with Game 7 on their own home court, and to top it off, to the land of CLEVELAND, who hasn't seen anything but badluck for 52 years.

As a side note, how fitting was the season, Kobe stole their thunder in their 73rd game with his Legendary final performance, and Lebron stole the Warriors and their fans hearts in the final game of the season.

Somewhere these Puppets are high fiving each other.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_YODg65nll_o/SiTQptaGJGI/AAAAAAABwdc/piSlTQgLbQQ/s1000/news_mvpuppets-t-shirt-3.jpg

I'm not sure it's choking, but the variance of a jump shooting team makes winning a losing from 3-1 just that extra bit easier.

If the league becomes even more jump shot centric, a 3-0 loss by someone will come sooner rather than later.
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:57 pm Post subject:

MJST wrote:

You obviously didnt read a thing I said.

Showtime Lakers won 5 titles. GS = 1-1. We'll see if they even make it back.

You gotta understand, MJST...few people around here are going to entertain a bunch of candy ass excuses for going 73-9 and becoming the first team in 38 years to lose the title on their floor, especially after they barely escaped the prior series.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:41 am Post subject:

That statement was pretty much the nail in the coffin!

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