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100% truth. _________________ Music is my medicine |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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He's right. But it'd probably better if he saved comments for when his son wasn't playing against El BJ in the finals. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
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Huey Lewis & The News Star Player
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | What's with these bitter old guys lately? |
We aren't that bitter. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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55 Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | What's with these bitter old guys lately? |
We aren't that bitter. |
And he's only telling the truth.
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kobeandgary Star Player
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Not a Lebron fan but he would have been dominant in the 80's, to claim otherwise is a bit crazy. I watch a lot of old games and the game is no rougher than it is today, just less flopping. |
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Treble Clef Franchise Player
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kobeandgary wrote: | Not a Lebron fan but he would have been dominant in the 80's, to claim otherwise is a bit crazy. I watch a lot of old games and the game is no rougher than it is today, just less flopping. |
The toughness of the 80s is very exaggerated. |
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55 Franchise Player
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kobeandgary wrote: | Not a Lebron fan but he would have been dominant in the 80's, to claim otherwise is a bit crazy. I watch a lot of old games and the game is no rougher than it is today, just less flopping. |
The game was a lot tougher back then. Contact was considered the norm.
Now you can't breath on some players. |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Funny comment to me.
Out of all the perimeter players in the finals, Lebron plays with the most physicality IMO. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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City_Dawg Retired Number
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Enough with this "the old days" stuff. _________________ *sighs*
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Lebron would absolutely survive physically and skill wise.
The only point I agree with MT is that Lebron may not have taken the verbal abuse/trash talking well that was so rampant in the 1980s. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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This is funny. Lebron would crush most of the players from the '80s like empty beer cans. I think that the old timers forget that we have footage from those days that we can compare to the modern game. It wasn't that physical, and the defensive intensity was much, much lower. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | This is funny. Lebron would crush most of the players from the '80s like empty beer cans. I think that the old timers forget that we have footage from those days that we can compare to the modern game. It wasn't that physical, and the defensive intensity was much, much lower. |
Yeah. It's a rite of passage it seems to make these kind of proclamations. I'm sure when Lebron is 50 he'll say the same thing about the top player in that era too. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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doughboy90650 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Dude would have been fine in the 1980s. That's like saying Magic wouldn't have survived the one hand dribbling 1960s. |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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^^^^
In one of his books, Bill James has a great quote from an old baseball player about how the modern players weren't as skillful and tough as the old time players, yada yada yada. I think the quote was from like 1917. |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | This is funny. Lebron would crush most of the players from the '80s like empty beer cans. I think that the old timers forget that we have footage from those days that we can compare to the modern game. It wasn't that physical, and the defensive intensity was much, much lower. |
That's exactly how I felt. Literally snap some of those SF's and SG's in half. |
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jonnybravo wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | This is funny. Lebron would crush most of the players from the '80s like empty beer cans. I think that the old timers forget that we have footage from those days that we can compare to the modern game. It wasn't that physical, and the defensive intensity was much, much lower. |
That's exactly how I felt. Literally snap some of those SF's and SG's in half. |
All I gotta say about this is that people should queue up some games and take a good look at how "tough" the 80's were. |
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marga86 Star Player
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people confuse physicality with toughness, there is a big difference.
Kobe isn't the biggest guy out there, but everyone knows his mental toughness/attitude would easily translate into the 80s.
LBJ on the other hand, usually the biggest fastest guy on the court, yet he is the biggest baby... AKA he is soft. |
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Treble Clef wrote: | kobeandgary wrote: | Not a Lebron fan but he would have been dominant in the 80's, to claim otherwise is a bit crazy. I watch a lot of old games and the game is no rougher than it is today, just less flopping. |
The toughness of the 80s is very exaggerated. |
People remember some highly publicized incidents -- like Kevin McHale clotheslining Kurt Rambis -- but that kind of stuff was rare in actuality. The 80s weren't that physical.
Old players always fall into the "things were tougher/harder in my day" trap. Just human nature. |
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gumby Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Preach MT!
Seriously though, LeBJ would be a monster in the 80s as he is now.
The difference is that the refs would swallow their whistles while the other players dish hard fouls on LeBJ. Eventually he would get worn down from that.
Bye. _________________ "This trophy removes the most odious sentence in the English Language. It can never be said again that 'the Lakers have never beaten the Celtics.'" -Dr. Jerry Buss (1985) R.I.P., 33 x M.V.O. |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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marga86 wrote: | people confuse physicality with toughness, there is a big difference.
Kobe isn't the biggest guy out there, but everyone knows his mental toughness/attitude would easily translate into the 80s.
LBJ on the other hand, usually the biggest fastest guy on the court, yet he is the biggest baby... AKA he is soft. |
Yep. It's not a question of whether El BJ is physically built for the ball of the 80's. It a matter of lacking the mental toughness to deal with the physicality. The guy throws a tantrum if he is even touched and he's the most protected player we've ever seen. I can't imagine what he'd be like if he were routinely manhandled on nightly basis. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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Huey Lewis & The News Star Player
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thurloly Franchise Player
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So just because of rules and structures change, people of this generation can't compete in the past?
I find it a very odd opinion. |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | marga86 wrote: | people confuse physicality with toughness, there is a big difference.
Kobe isn't the biggest guy out there, but everyone knows his mental toughness/attitude would easily translate into the 80s.
LBJ on the other hand, usually the biggest fastest guy on the court, yet he is the biggest baby... AKA he is soft. |
Yep. It's not a question of whether El BJ is physically built for the ball of the 80's. It a matter of lacking the mental toughness to deal with the physicality. The guy throws a tantrum if he is even touched and he's the most protected player we've ever seen. I can't imagine what he'd be like if he were routinely manhandled on nightly basis. |
I thought that was exactly what MT was saying, not so much that he didn't have the physical tools or skills, but that dudes would crack him mentally if he thought today's NBA is rough. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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