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pjiddy
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| Glad the stupid "LeChoke" narrative is finally dead. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| 999 wrote: | | Gatekeeper wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | 999 wrote: | MJ
Magic
Wilt
Kareem
Kobe
Shaq
Lebron
Duncan
Russell
West
Oscar |
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Half those guys didnt play for the Lakers. |
By my count that's 6/11, so you're right it's 54.54%. |
My bad! Didn't read the thread title fully |
I read the title fully. I chose to list my top 11 anyway, since it was bound to come up sooner or later
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Corey78
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I have Lebron ahead of all Lakers save Magic. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Why do we have to do this crap? |
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moonriver24
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Now you can say he deserves the top 10.
Lebron, despite the helpers, played better than Curry.
It was unfortunate for warriors to lose Green in game 5.
But maybe it was a lesson for the cocky.
First tiers
Mj kobe magic kareem russel
Second tiers
Shaq Duncan wilt bird lebron
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Kooper 21
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Its flawed to put guys you have never seen play in real time on your list such as Wilt or MIkan. I will put the players I seen in my lifetime of watching the NBA and not on youtube highlights from the 60's.
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Bird
4. Shaq
5. Kareem
6. Lebron
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Barkley |
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I will never understand how anyone who truly understands the game of basketball can even think of putting James among the first tier all-time greats (first tier meaning the top 10 players in this case).
Apart from not being a natural Basketball player with sound fundamentals, the man has merely won 3 out of 7 finals. For two of the titles he even had to collusively form a "Super Team" to get there, something that no other great has done. Even the Boston team of 2008+ was put together via (real) trades (although one could argue that there was also some collusion in play among former Celtics).
The title comparison alone makes it obvious with regard to Laker greats:
Kobe 5 of 7
Shaq 4 of 6
Magic 5 of 9 (cut short due to HIV)
Kareem 6 of 9 (if I'm not mistaken)
Case closed. |
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The Logo
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Just gonna do all time ranking, cause exclusively Laker career is messy, when it comes to Kareem, especially:
1) MJ
2) Kareem
3) Lebron
4) Magic
5) Bird
6) Russell
7) Wilt
8) Kobe
9) Duncan
10) Shaq
11) Hakeem |
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1) Jordan
2) Magic
3) Kobe
4) Kareem
5) LeBron
6) Wilt
7) Russell
8) Bird
9) Shaq
10)Duncan
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| nolookpass wrote: | I will never understand how anyone who truly understands the game of basketball can even think of putting James among the first tier all-time greats (first tier meaning the top 10 players in this case).
Apart from not being a natural Basketball player with sound fundamentals, the man has merely won 3 out of 7 finals. For two of the titles he even had to collusively form a "Super Team" to get there, something that no other great has done. Even the Boston team of 2008+ was put together via (real) trades (although one could argue that there was also some collusion in play among former Celtics).
The title comparison alone makes it obvious with regard to Laker greats:
Kobe 5 of 7
Shaq 4 of 6
Magic 5 of 9 (cut short due to HIV)
Kareem 6 of 9 (if I'm not mistaken)
Case closed. |
Dude after this series you have to put LeBron in the first tier, the man carried his team back from a 3-1 deficit in the Finals against a 73-9 Warriors team. He went absolutely bonkers these past 3 games and had one of the greatest Finals performances ever. If you actually knew the game of basketball then you would know why LeBron is special, he does everything good like every facet of the game of basketball he does at an elite level save for jump shooting but even then he takes smart shots and his jumper was on in this series and when he was in Miami. Looking at his entire career after tonight he is absolutely one of the GOATs and to top it off his career isn't even finished.
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Kobe is Top 3 All-Time behind Kareem and Jordan.
LeBron isn't there as of yet. |
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| Gotta wait until he's done. Free agents will now wanna follow James wherever he goes. Can't blame them b |
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| Too early for me to give him a definitive standing other than saying he's cemented top-10 all-time status. Arguing top-5 is within the realm of possibility, too. |
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Too early for him to pass Kobe... at this point:
Magic
Kareem
Kobe
Lebron
If he gets to 5 rings...
Magic
Lebron
Kareem
Kobe
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| P.K. wrote: | MJ
Magic
KAJ
Russell
Bird
Wilt
Tim Duncan
Kobe
Shaq
Lebron
Oscar |
This, along with Bird... which 2 got sit outside of top 10 looking in? |
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| Chuck Barkley said he couldn't put him pass Kobe and Duncan just yet. Had Bean at 6 and Tim at seven |
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| Quote: | Charles Barkley:
"Listen, the 5 greatest players in my opinion are: Michael, Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, Kareem, and Wilt. I have Kobe at 6. I got Tim Duncan at 7. And then you've got LeBron, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Magic, and Bird. They're in that group, you put them where you want to. But I'm not just gonna' automatically put LeBron past Kobe as far as this generation. As far as Kobe and Tim Duncan. Those guys got 5 world championships. LeBron has 3, which is amazing. But I don't live in the moment. I'm not gonna' just say, 'Wait a minute, I'm gonna' move him past Kobe and Tim Duncan now.' I mean, I'm just not gonna' do that." |
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My 1st team all-time NBA:
Magic
Jordan
Lebron
Russell
KAJ
2nd team:
Kobe
Bird
Duncan
Wilt
Still torn about 10th.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | My 1st team all-time NBA:
Magic
Jordan
Lebron
Russell
KAJ
2nd team:
Kobe
Bird
Duncan
Wilt
Still torn about 10th. |
Shaq? |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | My 1st team all-time NBA:
Magic
Jordan
Lebron
Russell
KAJ
2nd team:
Kobe
Bird
Duncan
Wilt
Still torn about 10th. |
Shaq? |
Probably.
I just decided to do a 1st/2nd team by "positions." In this instance, who would fill the "guard" slot with Kobe?
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| Batguano wrote: | | Quote: | Charles Barkley:
"Listen, the 5 greatest players in my opinion are: Michael, Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, Kareem, and Wilt. I have Kobe at 6. I got Tim Duncan at 7. And then you've got LeBron, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Magic, and Bird. They're in that group, you put them where you want to. But I'm not just gonna' automatically put LeBron past Kobe as far as this generation. As far as Kobe and Tim Duncan. Those guys got 5 world championships. LeBron has 3, which is amazing. But I don't live in the moment. I'm not gonna' just say, 'Wait a minute, I'm gonna' move him past Kobe and Tim Duncan now.' I mean, I'm just not gonna' do that." |
https://twitter.com/MikeAndMike/status/744866330688389120 |
I don't usually agree with Charles...and with Magic after Oscar I still don't but agree on Lebron Kobe and Duncan.
Lebron is better to me than all Lakers but Kareem, Magic and Kobe. Better than Shaq IMO all things considered.
GOAT list mine:
KAJ
MJ
Next tier, VERY slightly below
Russell
Wilt
Next tier, solidly below, in order:
Magic
Kobe
Lebron (I give Lebron edge over Tim with 5 rings bc Tim had zero turmoil, zero lack of great teammates, zero coaching or FO office issues to overcome. Lebron had big burdens everywhere, some self-imposed, true, like Kobe did in CO, but nonetheless others that he didn't)
Duncan
Bird
Shaq
Oscar
I think there is a solid gap between Kobe and Lebron myself, but narrowed definitely with this series. Down 3-1. Wow. Leadership. Wow.
As said before, Shaq could have been there with KAJ and MJ, but commitment not quite ideal. Still plenty great though and big fun. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Lebron's ranking vs Lakers all-time greats |
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| leor_77 wrote: | I'm sure no one here wants to have this conversation (although I did see some huge Lebron fans in the game thread), but we'll have to eventually. His all time ranking has risen much higher from this championship - As objective fans, we can appreciate this and give him the credit and respect he deserves, whether we like him or not. We're going to have to come to terms with it, and accept that he will, or has already, surpassed many of our players. Kobe, Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, etc.
I would put him ahead of Shaq and Wilt. I'm sure many would put him ahead of Magic and Kobe...I'm not sure about that yet. He definitely is nowhere near Kareem. Not sure what you guys think. |
There have been lots of conversations about his GOAT standing, so there isn't anything new about comparing how he stands against the great Lakers. Whether you talk about the top 10 of all time (or just make it about him vs. the Lakers guy), it's the same discussion.
My guess is most people right now would put him behind Kareem and Magic, and ahead of Wilt, Shaq and Kobe.
But it's hard to say because it's difficult to rank guys in their middle of their career, especially after a great accomplishment. He's spiking now and might come down. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| He's chasing Cap and Magic, in that order. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| nolookpass wrote: | I will never understand how anyone who truly understands the game of basketball can even think of putting James among the first tier all-time greats (first tier meaning the top 10 players in this case).
Apart from not being a natural Basketball player with sound fundamentals, the man has merely won 3 out of 7 finals. For two of the titles he even had to collusively form a "Super Team" to get there, something that no other great has done. Even the Boston team of 2008+ was put together via (real) trades (although one could argue that there was also some collusion in play among former Celtics).
The title comparison alone makes it obvious with regard to Laker greats:
Kobe 5 of 7
Shaq 4 of 6
Magic 5 of 9 (cut short due to HIV)
Kareem 6 of 9 (if I'm not mistaken)
Case closed. |
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| Dreamshake wrote: | | He's chasing Cap and Magic, in that order. |
Dreamshake, you're dreaming. He'll never catch Kareem's accolades.
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