"KG was an athletic freak like Giannis, just played more inside like all bigs back then. I hope Ingram can be like KG but I don't see it, maybe a smoother less athletic lengky tall guy (Iceman?)"
Man everyone sleeps on BI's athleticism. The kid is very athletic. I hate seeing this misinformation spread around here like that.
It's not misinformation. BI is athletic but he's not on the same level as KG athletically.
I've stopped watching until Brandon's back in the line up
First time in a good while where I've legitimately lost interest in a Lakers game. And then they said Zubac got hurt, too? When it rains, it pours.
I fell asleep at halftime and I don't feel like I missed out on anything. BI and Zubac out, and Randle/ Russell/ Clarkson not playing great either (though JC by the numbers was at least decent).
"KG was an athletic freak like Giannis, just played more inside like all bigs back then. I hope Ingram can be like KG but I don't see it, maybe a smoother less athletic lengky tall guy (Iceman?)"
Man everyone sleeps on BI's athleticism. The kid is very athletic. I hate seeing this misinformation spread around here like that.
It's not misinformation. BI is athletic but he's not on the same level as KG athletically.
Ingram is not quick in changing directions like most "freak athletes" are. However, I still think he will qualify as a freak athlete when he gains weight and strength. His combination of length and vert is freakish. Right now he lacks the strength to utilize them consistently. Guys are able to push him around. When he gets stronger and is no longer at a strength disadvantage, I think we'll see his athletic talents become more and more apparent.
There simply aren't many guys in the league that can deal with center length and a 40 inch vertical. He's also got a quick first step, despite his underwhelming change of direction ability.
If he can manage to gain 25 pounds of muscle (don't know if his frame can handle it, I've heard it said that he doesn't seem to have a frame that can accommodate weight), he will be able to overwhelm most guys with his combination of quick first step, center length, 40 inch vert, and strength. We've already seen flashes of this unique combination (minus strength) on his highlight dunks. And before he went down with injury, those highlight dunks were becoming more and more frequent. He had started to have one or two of them every game.
His jumper will continue to improve, his handle will continue to improve, his footwork will continue to improve. With added strength, this will be a very nice combination of skills and athleticism.
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For every highlight we've seen many more instances where Ingram is physically overwhelmed (most notably balance when a stronger guy knocks him off of it). Like many youngsters he has a ways to go, but he's starting from a much lower physical floor (aside from his freakish physical traits). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
For every highlight we've seen many more instances where Ingram is physically overwhelmed (most notably balance when a stronger guy knocks him off of it). Like many youngsters he has a ways to go, but he's starting from a much lower physical floor (aside from his freakish physical traits).
Which is why I think he will look like a completely different player athletically when he gets NBA caliber strength. He played his rookie year without an NBA body, which is a huge disadvantage. HUGE. He's 6'10, and weighs as much as a typical 6'2 point guard. That's literally not an NBA frame. It's impressive imo that he was able to do what he did at such a huge size disadvantage. A quick google search says that in 2011, the average NBA SF weighs 225 pounds. So the average SF outweighs Ingram by 35 pounds of muscle. And he's also 2 inches taller than the average SF, which makes it even worse.
The average point guard is 190 pounds, 6'2 height. Ingram is 190, 6'10. So the average PG is probably stronger than Ingram!
For every highlight we've seen many more instances where Ingram is physically overwhelmed (most notably balance when a stronger guy knocks him off of it). Like many youngsters he has a ways to go, but he's starting from a much lower physical floor (aside from his freakish physical traits).
Which is why I think he will look like a completely different player athletically when he gets NBA caliber strength. He played his rookie year without an NBA body, which is a huge disadvantage. HUGE. He's 6'10, and weighs as much as a typical 6'2 point guard. That's literally not an NBA frame. It's impressive imo that he was able to do what he did at such a huge size disadvantage. A quick google search says that in 2011, the average NBA SF weighs 225 pounds. So the average SF outweighs Ingram by 35 pounds of muscle. And he's also 2 inches taller than the average SF, which makes it even worse.
The average point guard is 190 pounds, 6'2 height. Ingram is 190, 6'10. So the average PG is probably stronger than Ingram!
Right, so physically (not even from a skills standpoint), he will need a lot of work. Could take several years. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:31 pm Post subject:
dao wrote:
Deathstroke wrote:
Dr. Funkbot wrote:
"KG was an athletic freak like Giannis, just played more inside like all bigs back then. I hope Ingram can be like KG but I don't see it, maybe a smoother less athletic lengky tall guy (Iceman?)"
Man everyone sleeps on BI's athleticism. The kid is very athletic. I hate seeing this misinformation spread around here like that.
It's not misinformation. BI is athletic but he's not on the same level as KG athletically.
Ingram is not quick in changing directions like most "freak athletes" are. However, I still think he will qualify as a freak athlete when he gains weight and strength. His combination of length and vert is freakish. Right now he lacks the strength to utilize them consistently. Guys are able to push him around. When he gets stronger and is no longer at a strength disadvantage, I think we'll see his athletic talents become more and more apparent.
There simply aren't many guys in the league that can deal with center length and a 40 inch vertical. He's also got a quick first step, despite his underwhelming change of direction ability.
If he can manage to gain 25 pounds of muscle (don't know if his frame can handle it, I've heard it said that he doesn't seem to have a frame that can accommodate weight), he will be able to overwhelm most guys with his combination of quick first step, center length, 40 inch vert, and strength. We've already seen flashes of this unique combination (minus strength) on his highlight dunks. And before he went down with injury, those highlight dunks were becoming more and more frequent. He had started to have one or two of them every game.
His jumper will continue to improve, his handle will continue to improve, his footwork will continue to improve. With added strength, this will be a very nice combination of skills and athleticism.
For every highlight we've seen many more instances where Ingram is physically overwhelmed (most notably balance when a stronger guy knocks him off of it). Like many youngsters he has a ways to go, but he's starting from a much lower physical floor (aside from his freakish physical traits).
Which is why I think he will look like a completely different player athletically when he gets NBA caliber strength. He played his rookie year without an NBA body, which is a huge disadvantage. HUGE. He's 6'10, and weighs as much as a typical 6'2 point guard. That's literally not an NBA frame. It's impressive imo that he was able to do what he did at such a huge size disadvantage. A quick google search says that in 2011, the average NBA SF weighs 225 pounds. So the average SF outweighs Ingram by 35 pounds of muscle. And he's also 2 inches taller than the average SF, which makes it even worse.
The average point guard is 190 pounds, 6'2 height. Ingram is 190, 6'10. So the average PG is probably stronger than Ingram!
Right, so physically (not even from a skills standpoint), he will need a lot of work. Could take several years.
Hopefully he can get up to at least 220 in his prime. And hopefully he can somehow manage to get up to 200 pounds this offseason.
Despite his strength disadvantage though, he played some pretty good ball in the second half of the season. If he can gain some significant weight this offseason, I think he'll have a strong year.
For every highlight we've seen many more instances where Ingram is physically overwhelmed (most notably balance when a stronger guy knocks him off of it). Like many youngsters he has a ways to go, but he's starting from a much lower physical floor (aside from his freakish physical traits).
Which is why I think he will look like a completely different player athletically when he gets NBA caliber strength. He played his rookie year without an NBA body, which is a huge disadvantage. HUGE. He's 6'10, and weighs as much as a typical 6'2 point guard. That's literally not an NBA frame. It's impressive imo that he was able to do what he did at such a huge size disadvantage. A quick google search says that in 2011, the average NBA SF weighs 225 pounds. So the average SF outweighs Ingram by 35 pounds of muscle. And he's also 2 inches taller than the average SF, which makes it even worse.
The average point guard is 190 pounds, 6'2 height. Ingram is 190, 6'10. So the average PG is probably stronger than Ingram!
Right, so physically (not even from a skills standpoint), he will need a lot of work. Could take several years.
Hopefully he can get up to at least 220 in his prime. And hopefully he can somehow manage to get up to 200 pounds this offseason.
Despite his strength disadvantage though, he played some pretty good ball in the second half of the season. If he can gain some significant weight this offseason, I think he'll have a strong year.
I'm guessing he might get to around 210-215(which I expect to take a few years). He'll probably always be on the thin side, but hopefully he can get to that "wirey strong" spot physically. _________________ "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."-The Greatest
Mark Medina: Lakers listing Brandon Ingram as probable for tomorrow vs Clippers 3 hours ago – via Twitter MarkG_Medina
thank god
I wonder if the Clarkson/ Russell/ Ingram/ Randle unit will go back to being historically terrible together. It was probably a coincidence but once BI got hurt they started not giving up 125 points per 100 poss
Mark Medina: Lakers listing Brandon Ingram as probable for tomorrow vs Clippers 3 hours ago – via Twitter MarkG_Medina
thank god
I wonder if the Clarkson/ Russell/ Ingram/ Randle unit will go back to being historically terrible together. It was probably a coincidence but once BI got hurt they started not giving up 125 points per 100 poss
Brewer is a better defender than all those players, I believe swapping any of them for him would have a good impact on D. Ingram is not a good defender, but neither are JC, Russell or Randle. One of the main things that makes me a doubter about our chances to win something developing our young core is that they are all bad defenders and bellow average shooters.
Mark Medina: Lakers listing Brandon Ingram as probable for tomorrow vs Clippers 3 hours ago – via Twitter MarkG_Medina
thank god
I wonder if the Clarkson/ Russell/ Ingram/ Randle unit will go back to being historically terrible together. It was probably a coincidence but once BI got hurt they started not giving up 125 points per 100 poss
Brewer is a better defender than all those players, I believe swapping any of them for him would have a good impact on D. Ingram is not a good defender, but neither are JC, Russell or Randle. One of the main things that makes me a doubter about our chances to win something developing our young core is that they are all bad defenders and bellow average shooters.
Yeah maybe, but somehow I'm skeptical Brewer is having that much of an effect on defense. We'll find out on against the Clippers. The optimist in me would like to think they're starting to learn how to play defense together (they being Russell, Clarkson, and Randle).
Mark Medina: Lakers listing Brandon Ingram as probable for tomorrow vs Clippers 3 hours ago – via Twitter MarkG_Medina
thank god
I wonder if the Clarkson/ Russell/ Ingram/ Randle unit will go back to being historically terrible together. It was probably a coincidence but once BI got hurt they started not giving up 125 points per 100 poss
Brewer is a better defender than all those players, I believe swapping any of them for him would have a good impact on D. Ingram is not a good defender, but neither are JC, Russell or Randle. One of the main things that makes me a doubter about our chances to win something developing our young core is that they are all bad defenders and bellow average shooters.
You want to compare them to their peers. Comparing 19 year olds to vets is comparing apples to oranges. You're assuming theyll never get better with experience. Steph Curry in his first or second season is not what he is now. Dray Green was on the bench in his first 2 yrs.
Mark Medina: Lakers listing Brandon Ingram as probable for tomorrow vs Clippers 3 hours ago – via Twitter MarkG_Medina
thank god
I wonder if the Clarkson/ Russell/ Ingram/ Randle unit will go back to being historically terrible together. It was probably a coincidence but once BI got hurt they started not giving up 125 points per 100 poss
Brewer is a better defender than all those players, I believe swapping any of them for him would have a good impact on D. Ingram is not a good defender, but neither are JC, Russell or Randle. One of the main things that makes me a doubter about our chances to win something developing our young core is that they are all bad defenders and bellow average shooters.
Yeah maybe, but somehow I'm skeptical Brewer is having that much of an effect on defense. We'll find out on against the Clippers. The optimist in me would like to think they're starting to learn how to play defense together (they being Russell, Clarkson, and Randle).
I'm curious to see those 4 without many minutes next to Zubac.
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:12 pm Post subject:
yinoma2001 wrote:
dao wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
For every highlight we've seen many more instances where Ingram is physically overwhelmed (most notably balance when a stronger guy knocks him off of it). Like many youngsters he has a ways to go, but he's starting from a much lower physical floor (aside from his freakish physical traits).
Which is why I think he will look like a completely different player athletically when he gets NBA caliber strength. He played his rookie year without an NBA body, which is a huge disadvantage. HUGE. He's 6'10, and weighs as much as a typical 6'2 point guard. That's literally not an NBA frame. It's impressive imo that he was able to do what he did at such a huge size disadvantage. A quick google search says that in 2011, the average NBA SF weighs 225 pounds. So the average SF outweighs Ingram by 35 pounds of muscle. And he's also 2 inches taller than the average SF, which makes it even worse.
The average point guard is 190 pounds, 6'2 height. Ingram is 190, 6'10. So the average PG is probably stronger than Ingram!
Right, so physically (not even from a skills standpoint), he will need a lot of work. Could take several years.
I see him as being a 15 PPG player next season, then 18 or so the season after, then 20+ from there on out. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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